Pacers Draft Board. #10 on board.

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #1 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Wed May 21, 2008 12:34 am

Wow, we just got screwed with the Bulls getting the #1 pick. :-(

Pacers Draft Board:

1. Derrick Rose
2. Michael Beasley
3. O.J. Mayo
4. Jerryd Bayless
5. Brook Lopez
6. Eric Gordon
7. Anthony Randolph
8. Russell Westbrook
9. Kevin Love

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #2 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Wed May 21, 2008 12:38 am

I'm going with Jordan again.

cdash · Post #3 » by **cdash** » Wed May 21, 2008 12:43 am

Augustin. Jordan couldnt get off the bench in the Big 12. No thanks.

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #4 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Wed May 21, 2008 12:58 am

cdash wrote:Augustin. Jordan couldnt get off the bench in the Big 12. No thanks.

Andrew Bynum likely would not have seen much time in college either.

cdash · Post #5 » by **cdash** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:01 am

Ummm...why not? Name me one NBA All-Star who not only didnt start on his college team, but barely cracked 20 mpg.

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #6 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:26 am

So many of the NBA stars didn't even go to college. Bynum likely wouldn't have seen much time because much like Jordan hadn't grown into his body yet. Jordan has the body to do incredible things, his mind just hasn't figured out how to use it yet. Thats not the best way of describing it, but I can't think of a better one.

cdash · Post #7 » by **cdash** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:32 am

Yeah I realize a lot of them didnt go to college. The point I am making is: if you cant get off the bench in college (his team wasnt even very good), what makes you think a guy can get off the bench and produce and be worthy of a lottery pick in the NBA?

He has the physical tools, but the same can be said about Kwame Brown and dozens of other players.

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #8 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:45 am

So any player who doesn't make an impact in their rookie season can't ever be good?

Post #9 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed May 21, 2008 2:00 am

I don't know, I think Bynum would have probably had a pretty decent to good year at college, but it depends on where he would've gone.

I am a little concerned by the fact that Jordan couldn't at least earn minutes consistently and that he lost minutes late in the year. That is a little pause for concern.

At this point though, I think it's hard to look past Gallinari. Sure, he's a SF by nature, but he plays very effectively with his back to the basket, is about 6-8, and could play PF in a small-ball type lineup.

cdash · Post #10 » by **cdash** » Wed May 21, 2008 2:00 am

...Did I say that? Or insinuate it? Absolutely not. I would be an idiot if I said that. I am not talking about players not impacting the NBA in their rookie season. I am talking about guys who are physically superior to nearly everyone around them not being able to get off the bench in college. It makes one wonder. The NBA is a different animal.

Orlock78 · Post #11 » by **Orlock78** » Wed May 21, 2008 3:26 am

to me this isn't even about whether Jordan will be good or not (but for the record I would take Mcgee in a heartbeat before Jordan) Its about Need. and we NEED a point guard. If we take Jordan there is NO WAY he's ready to play for us for at least a couple years. Unless we plan on tanking I say take DJ.

Post #12 » by **PR07** » Wed May 21, 2008 3:40 am

I'm going to say Danillo Gallinari. He doesn't fill a need, but I think he's the best talent on the board, one we can't overlook based on need.

JarrettJackSG · Post #13 » by **JarrettJackSG** » Wed May 21, 2008 3:55 am

We could so take Gallinari and start trading right away. He's a great steal if he falls this much.

cdash · Post #14 » by **cdash** » Wed May 21, 2008 3:57 am

Christ. Another SF. Chalk that down as 3 straight first round picks at the 3. Gallinari reminds me (lets be honest, I havent seen him play and few of us really have) of Dunleavy. If we pick him, Mike gets shopped.

cdash · Post #15 » by **cdash** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:01 am

This idea of trading is good in theory, but its really not that easy to cut a deal in the NBA. That's why I think some of these Bulls fans who are saying, "Draft Rose, trade Hinrich" might be a little surprised to see that Hinrich really wont be that movable. While his contract does get smaller from year to year, he still is overpaid and if every team in the league knows you are shopping him, you are likely to get lowballed on the offers.

JarrettJackSG · Post #16 » by **JarrettJackSG** » Wed May 21, 2008 5:21 am

If we shop a wing, at worst we'll get a deal better than the Murphleavy deal and at best better than the Artest deal.

Post #17 » by **mizzoupacers** » Wed May 21, 2008 2:20 pm

I'm voting "Other"--Marreese Speights. I'm not quite ready to turn to Augustin yet, and I think Speights is the most promising big guy left on the board. Last year he averaged better than 14 points and 8 rebounds per game (and he didn't play heavy minutes), and his field goal pct. was .624, which is pretty damned good. He has legit NBA size, good athleticism, and still seems to be developing his game. I'd take him over Jordan or Koufos, or Darrell Arthur.

At this point, most of the best guys left on the board are small forwards. But the last thing the Pacers need is another small forward, unless he is a LeBron clone, which I don't think any of these guys are. Sure, we could make a trade, and at some point that trade value will outweigh the contribution we are likely to get from any of the remaining potential draftees who play more helpful positions. But I don't think we've hit that point yet...what kind of offers are we really going to get for a guy that every GM knows we don't really need or want?

Post #18 » by **count55** » Wed May 21, 2008 2:26 pm

mizzoupacers wrote:I'm voting "Other"--Marreese Speights. I'm not quite ready to turn to Augustin yet, and I think Speights is the most promising big guy left on the board. Last year he averaged better than 14 points and 8 rebounds per game (and he didn't play heavy minutes), and his field goal pct. was .624, which is pretty damned good. He has legit NBA size, good athleticism, and still seems to be developing his game. I'd take him over Jordan or Koufos, or Darrell Arthur.

At this point, most of the best guys left on the board are small forwards. But the last thing the Pacers need is another small forward, unless he is a LeBron clone, which I don't think any of these guys are. Sure, we could make a trade, and at some point that trade value will outweigh the contribution we are likely to get from any of the remaining potential draftees who play more helpful positions. But I don't think we've hit that point yet...what kind of offers are we really going to get for a guy that every GM knows we don't really need or want?

I'm picking Augustin here, but I'd be ok with Speights or Arthur....really don't like Jordan, Koufos, or McGee...

BTW...does anybody else get a somewhat queasy sense of foreboding when they see Joe Alexander being projected anywhere around our pick?

cdash · Post #19 » by **cdash** » Wed May 21, 2008 3:54 pm

BTW...does anybody else get a somewhat queasy sense of foreboding when they see Joe Alexander being projected anywhere around our pick?

Big time. He seems like the type of player Bird would fall in love with. I will throw up in my mouth if we draft him.

Post #20 » by **PR07** » Wed May 21, 2008 5:21 pm

Yeah, if Joe Alexander's stock keeps rising, I could definitely see him being Larry's pick. I like Alexander, but we have like 3 players who play the same position as is.