Bird can land a stud at #11....

[dwpacer]

Just a real intriguing thought....

Our interest in DJ Augustin could cause a top ten player to fall right to us at the #11 pick.

Here's the top five picks on most mock drafts....

Derrick Rose
Michael Beasley
OJ Mayo
Jerryd Bayless
Kevin Love

Sleeper: Brook Lopez

Lopez has only had workouts with Minnesota and Seattle which makes it intriguing if
he does not get selected in the top five.

Here's picks 6-10 on most mock drafts.....

Eric Gordon
Russell Westbrook
Joe Alexander
Brook Lopez
Danilo Gallinari

Sleeper: DJ Augustin

If Augustin gets selected before the Pacers pick, pretty good odds are one of these guys drops right to the Pacers, any one of these guys could definately help the Pacers.

Pacers are also looking at Koufos and Randolph around that pick as well, but one of the picks they could acquire in trade is Portland's pick at #13.

Any thoughts???

[Miller4ever]

It would be nice, wouldn't it?

Our history at the #11 pick has thus far been amazing.

[Bucky O'Hare]

There will be studs available at #11, there always are. Let's just hope our scouts can separate the studs from the duds. I think we've done solid in the past few drafts, outside of James White.

[bravesatl]

i've said it before, i'll say it now, and i'll keep sayin it.....DJ Augustin has stud written all over him

[Grang33r]

I can't believe how torn everybody on this forum is on picks. I have a feeling this forum is going to be a massive war zone on draft night. lol

Seems like everyone likes somebody else and hates most of the rest of the class. haha

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

i've said it before, i'll say it now, and i'll keep sayin it.....DJ Augustin has stud written all over him

Stud written all over him? He didn't do good against one decent college PG.

UCLA - 8/15, good shooting game, but he had 4 assists and 6 turnovers.
Kansas - 1/13, this game he actually made Tinsley look like a good shooter.
Kansas - 7/18, not an awful game considering his assists to turnover ration, but still.
Miami - 4/14, for those of you who don't know yet - Jack McClinton.
Memphis - 4/18, not only did he not shoot it well, he had more turnovers than assists.

I fail to see how he has "stud written all over him" when he hasn't even shown he can play against NBA level guards. I'm very happy to know we may draft a guy who can put up 30 points on Patrick Mills, I just have a feeling we won't be seeing a guy like Patrick Mills in the NBA.

Unless there is a PG I am missing, the only 5 games he played against NBA level guards, he struggled.

[joew8302]

I think Augustine will struggle as a pro period. I mean there are not a lot of 5'10 170 lb guys that excel in the pro game. Jameer Nelson was stronger, and quicker than Augustine in college. He also was a much better player, and he has turned out to be something not so special in the NBA game. If he can't excel I don't see how Augustine will.

[FreeRon]

I've heard over and over about how he didn't play well against any NBA-calibre guards. To be honest, I'm not sold on him either. I'm somewhere in between. While it's true that he didn't play well against good guards, with NBA coaching that could change. He's shown that he can play, though, and I'm not too concerned with shooting from a PG anyways. One thing to always remember is you can't coach speed or natural talent, and he has both. You can't teach size either, though, and that's the biggest thing that concerns me right now.

[Grang33r]

^^ i couldn't agree more with both of you guys. The more i read about Augustin and see him on videos, the less interested i am. Each time somebody brings up "prove" to not select him i wonder why we are even considering him at #11. I'm not sold at all on him. Honestly, i'd be pretty disappointed if we selected Augustin. I don't think he will have a bright future in the pros and we'll be in the same no-PG problem just a few years down the road.

I hope Bird realizes that he is doing before it's too late.

[LEIF]

could Gordon fall to Indy?

1. CHI - Rose
2. MIA - Beasley
3. MIN - Brook Lopez
4. SEA - Jerryd Bayless
5. MEM - Kevin Love
6. NYK - OJ Mayo
7. LAC - Russell Westbrook
8. MIL - Joe Alexander
9. CHA - Anthony Randolph
10. NJN - Danillo Gallinari
11. IND - ERIC GORDON

what is the least plausible selection from that 11?, they make alot of sense IMO.

[Grang33r]

^^ dude come on, don't tease us like that.... haha

[Bucky O'Hare]

could Gordon fall to Indy?

1. CHI - Rose
2. MIA - Beasley
3. MIN - Brook Lopez
4. SEA - Jerryd Bayless
5. MEM - Kevin Love
6. NYK - OJ Mayo
7. LAC - Russell Westbrook
8. MIL - Joe Alexander
9. CHA - Anthony Randolph
10. NJN - Danillo Gallinari
11. IND - ERIC GORDON

what is the least plausible selection from that 11?, they make alot of sense IMO.

Looks very plausible to me, except I'd switch around Mayo and Lopez.

[PR07]

The Pacers can land a stud at #11, but apparently it won't be Russell Westbrook. Not a huge surprise, but it means someone should fall to us.

[FreeRon]

I know there's a lot more hype around Alexander and Randolph, but I can't see anyone taking them over Gordon. Also, Gallinari is falling and I couldn't see a lot of teams taking him over Gordon in the first place. If the top 9 go that way, though, I suppose it is possible that NJ takes Gallinari just because they already have Vince and have reportedly been trying to move Jefferson. It's also possible, though, that they take Gordon and move Vince to SF.

[bravesatl]

I think Augustine will struggle as a pro period. I mean there are not a lot of 5'10 170 lb guys that excel in the pro game. Jameer Nelson was stronger, and quicker than Augustine in college. He also was a much better player, and he has turned out to be something not so special in the NBA game. If he can't excel I don't see how Augustine will.

everything u said there from his height & weight to the jameer nelson comparison, completely false ....

i'm tired of hearing everybody dogging him because of his size (6' 180 lbs), thats totally ridiculous....so i guess the following list of players similar to dj's size were supposed to struggle as well, and most of these guys if not all put on weight after coming into the NBA:

bob cousy 6'1" 175
isiah thomas 6'1" 182
mark jackson 6'1" 190
john stockton 6'1" 175
allen iverson 6' 165
steve nash 6'3" 178
chris paul 6' 175
tony parker 6'2" 180
mike bibby 6'2" 190
jason terry 6'2" 180
monta ellis 6'3" 177
tj ford 6' 165
derek fisher 6'1" 205
rajon rondo 6'1" 175
could go on and on....

i'm not comparing the players here, cuz obviously comparing augustin to cousy would be way off, i'm comparing the sizes which a lot of people are obsessed about....

[Scoot McGroot]

Augustin measured out at 5'10" without shoes, 5'11.5" with shoes on, and 172 pounds. His 6'3.5" wingspan also measured below average for the draft-able candidates at PG in this draft. His wingspan only beats Ty Lawson and equals Jerryd Bayless', but is dwarfed by all the other PG candidates in this draft.

[bravesatl]

Stud written all over him? He didn't do good against one decent college PG.

UCLA - 8/15, good shooting game, but he had 4 assists and 6 turnovers.
Kansas - 1/13, this game he actually made Tinsley look like a good shooter.
Kansas - 7/18, not an awful game considering his assists to turnover ration, but still.
Miami - 4/14, for those of you who don't know yet - Jack McClinton.
Memphis - 4/18, not only did he not shoot it well, he had more turnovers than assists.

I fail to see how he has "stud written all over him" when he hasn't even shown he can play against NBA level guards. I'm very happy to know we may draft a guy who can put up 30 points on Patrick Mills, I just have a feeling we won't be seeing a guy like Patrick Mills in the NBA.

Unless there is a PG I am missing, the only 5 games he played against NBA level guards, he struggled.

so u dont think he'll be great because of 5 games in college, thats weak IMO, i fail to see that logic....

sabastian telfair and monta ellis didnt even play in college and they seem to be doing just fine, telfair averaged 9 pts 6 asst in his 3rd season, ellis 20 pts 5 rebs 4 assts in his 3rd season....

steve nash played at big ole santa clara, did he face NBA ready PGs there? probably not any....jason kidd played at california, i'll guess he played only a handfull....nash didn't average over 6.4 assists in his college career....

dj augustin = poor man's steve nash = very good

am i the only dj augustin fan here?

[Scoot McGroot]

Stud written all over him? He didn't do good against one decent college PG.

UCLA - 8/15, good shooting game, but he had 4 assists and 6 turnovers.
Kansas - 1/13, this game he actually made Tinsley look like a good shooter.
Kansas - 7/18, not an awful game considering his assists to turnover ration, but still.
Miami - 4/14, for those of you who don't know yet - Jack McClinton.
Memphis - 4/18, not only did he not shoot it well, he had more turnovers than assists.

I fail to see how he has "stud written all over him" when he hasn't even shown he can play against NBA level guards. I'm very happy to know we may draft a guy who can put up 30 points on Patrick Mills, I just have a feeling we won't be seeing a guy like Patrick Mills in the NBA.

Unless there is a PG I am missing, the only 5 games he played against NBA level guards, he struggled.

so u dont think he'll be great because of 5 games in college, thats weak IMO, i fail to see that logic....

sabastian telfair and monta ellis didnt even play in college and they seem to be doing just fine, telfair averaged 9 pts 6 asst in his 3rd season, ellis 20 pts 5 rebs 4 assts in his 3rd season....

steve nash played at big ole santa clara, did he face NBA ready PGs there? probably not any....jason kidd played at california, i'll guess he played only a handfull....

dj augustin = poor man's steve nash = very good

am i the only dj augustin fan here?

I'm ok with Augustin, but I'm trying not to be a huge fan of too many prospects. I think I've become smitten with Russell Westbrook.


However, I do have to disagree with your argument. The original argument was that Augustin matched up poorly in any games where he played against an NBA caliber PG. The fact that Telfair or Monta Ellis didn't play in college doesn't even relate. Basically, the belief is that Augustin dominated lesser competition and was exposed by NBA level talent. Telfair and Ellis didn't play NBA talent in high school, but neither were they exposed by said talent. They were both inflated in playing against lesser talent, and it just turned out that Ellis is a very good pro, whereas Telfair has shown he can compete. We just don't know that about Augustin right now, and it's a very viable fact that we need to keep ourselves aware of.


I don't see how Augustin should automatically receive "poor-man's Steve Nash" level yet. Nash was very average for the early part of his career, turned into an above average PG for many years, and then didn't become elite PG until many years after he was drafted, and at least two changed cities.

[bravesatl]

Augustin measured out at 5'10" without shoes, 5'11.5" with shoes on, and 172 pounds. His 6'3.5" wingspan also measured below average for the draft-able candidates at PG in this draft. His wingspan only beats Ty Lawson and equals Jerryd Bayless', but is dwarfed by all the other PG candidates in this draft.

well the site i looked at was mistaken then, but please explain to me why that matters, especially with the skills augustin has....

[joew8302]

I think Augustine will struggle as a pro period. I mean there are not a lot of 5'10 170 lb guys that excel in the pro game. Jameer Nelson was stronger, and quicker than Augustine in college. He also was a much better player, and he has turned out to be something not so special in the NBA game. If he can't excel I don't see how Augustine will.

everything u said there from his height & weight to the jameer nelson comparison, completely false ....

i'm tired of hearing everybody dogging him because of his size (6' 180 lbs), thats totally ridiculous....so i guess the following list of players similar to dj's size were supposed to struggle as well, and most of these guys if not all put on weight after coming into the NBA:

bob cousy 6'1" 175
isiah thomas 6'1" 182
mark jackson 6'1" 190
john stockton 6'1" 175
allen iverson 6' 165
steve nash 6'3" 178
chris paul 6' 175
tony parker 6'2" 180
mike bibby 6'2" 190
jason terry 6'2" 180
monta ellis 6'3" 177
tj ford 6' 165
derek fisher 6'1" 205
rajon rondo 6'1" 175
could go on and on....

i'm not comparing the players here, cuz obviously comparing augustin to cousy would be way off, i'm comparing the sizes which a lot of people are obsessed about....

Ok, are you talking about the exceptions to the rule now, or the rule itself. If I wanted to I could come up with a list 5 times as long as that filled with guys his size that didn't pan out. And I mean look at some of these guys you are comparing him to. T.J. Ford? You really want him on your team? Rajon Rondo? I look at Augustine and he is not overly quick or strong and he won't be able to help us out a whole heck of a lot on defense. He can shoot, but we already have a PG with similar in Diener. I just don't think Augustine is worth the 11th pick.