What do you guys think about this trade?

[BlaZeN27]

On the Heat board, we're discussing a possible Haslem-for-Foster deal, which would make you guys younger and give you a true PF to go with your current glut of centers.

Or, if Haslem doesn't fit what you're looking to do, a 3rd team would happily give an expiring deal plus a good pick or prospect to have Haslem' services.

So what do you guys think? Are either of these do-able?

Miami Gets
- J Foster

Indiana Gets
- U Haslem


OR

Miami Gets
- J Foster

Indiana Gets
- Expiring, plus pick/prospect for rebuilding

3rd Team Gets
- U Haslem

[Boneman2]

I'd take Haslem.

[Grang33r]

^^ Agreed.

Where do i sign?

[PR07]

I wouldn't do it. I think Haslem has attitude/character issues, but that might just me.

[BlaZeN27]

Is that suppose to be a joke?

[granger05]

I'm not aware of any attitude issues with Haslem. I like him fine as a player, but this just seems like a lateral move. Foster is well liked among the fans (as I'm sure Haslem is in Miami) so I don't see a real point to making a direct swap. Depending on what we could get back and how it might differ from what a team would give us directly for Foster I may be on board with the 3 teamer.

[salqaddoumi]

I wouldn't do it. I think Haslem has attitude/character issues, but that might just me.

Wow, you obviously have no clue what you're talking about. Udonis Haslem has always been a very humble guy and has never gotten in trouble down here in Miami. Hell he's the freaking captain of our team over Wade! The ultimate disciplinarian in Riley is in love with the guy, you're really off base with that post and I hope you're not just saying it because he has corn rows or looks a certain way.

[PR07]

I'm entitled to my opinion, so if you disagree with me fine, but to say I "have no clue what I'm talking about" is taking it too far. Refrain from personal insults. Last time I checked, this was the Pacers' board, not the Heat board afterall.

you're really off base with that post and I hope you're not just saying it because he has corn rows or looks a certain way.

Easy there, what does corn rows have to do with character? Jermaine O'Neal had cornrows, and he's one of my favorite players in the NBA and possesses exceptional character.

Why I think he has character issues:

Article 1
http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/ ... girl/58560
Even if he didn't have sex, what is a 28 year old NBA athlete doing with alcohol with underage girls? Umm....no. We're getting away from that stuff, no thanks. Even if a player has the slightest red flag off-the-court, I'm going to be very skeptical about adding them. The story may very well not be true, but he already has off-the-court negativity surrounding him.

Article 2:

When the Pacers played the Heat in the playoffs like 2 seasons in a row a few years back, Haslem would act like a complete and utter jerk IMO. I remember him getting into it with Jermaine and tried to bait him on numerous occasions. Not my cup of tea. I don't want that type of player.

[BlaZeN27]

Wow, just wow. He's a GREAT teammate, he never complains, he doesn't need shots, he works his ass off, he doesn't complain. I'm sorry but your 100% off base here man. Ask anyone who knows anything about Haslem and they rave about him, not just on the court. Cool, maybe you've seen him get chippy before like he was in the Bulls series in 06. That's because hes a very passionate player. You want to get on Haslem for a little incident his rookie year, yet you "LOVE" O'Neil after the brawl at the palace right? I could just as easily say I think hes a thug and has an attitude problem, doesn't mean its correct. Be against the trade, that's fine, I understand that. But to attack Udonis Haslem like that and say no deal because of his "Attitude" when you don't even know him is ludicrous. Know what your talking about before you speak, I expect better from a mod.

[PR07]

Because you disagree with me, I suddenly "don't know what I'm talking about". I'm entitled to my opinion, and I'd appreciate if you'd refrain from personal insults. Honestly, I could care less what you think. I'd expect more courtesy out of a visiting poster on another team's board. That's just me.

You can say O'Neal is a thug all you want. You're entitled to your opinion. I'd disagree with you, and you'd probably take a lot of flack on this board or Toronto's, but that's your decision.

Obviously, you have a lot of maturing to do as a poster especially one entering another team's board.

I'd rather have Foster than Haslem. Foster is a fan-favorite here in Indiana and works his butt off. I really appreciate his game, and I'd rather keep him than trade him for Haslem. Maybe you like Haslem's game, and I think he's a good player, but I just don't like him here in what we're doing in Indiana. I think he'd be a good fit with someone like Orlando though who has a veteran team.

[salqaddoumi]

I've been watching Udonis Haslem since 2003, you're judging the guy off of two examples ... so yes, I do think I have the right to tell you that you don't know what you're talking about. Why does it matter if this is the Pacers or Heat board?

What is that link supposed to prove? You don't know for sure that it is even true but even if it was, it has nothing to do with basketball and he's never gotten in trouble with the law for anything even related to it or anything with the law in general. NBA players have been confirmed to do stuff 50x worse than the speculation of Haslem and Ricky Davis hanging out with girls that could be underage.

I don't remember anything about that Haslem-Jermaine stuff and them getting into it but I have a good feeling you're exaggerating the story because Haslem NEVER does that kind of crap.

By the way, we played in the playoffs 4 years ago ... 2 years ago was when we won the championship.

[basketballwacko2]

Foster is one of the most popular Pacers, and the coach loves him from what I hear. So no can't do.

[BlaZeN27]

The last paragraph is all you should have said instead of attacking his character.

And it isn't a question of disagreeing with you, your wrong, period. I live in Miami, and I can tell you with 100% accuracy that he does not have an attitude problem, and he never has. It's obvious that you in fact do not know what you are talking about, since your basing your assumption on a media article and a playoff series during his rookie year.

I need maturing, yet your the one attacking a player I'm sure you know nothing about character wise. Again, could of just stuck to that last paragraph, why was there a need to say he as an attitude problem, especially when you wouldn't want the deal to happen regardless.When you make a false accusation, expect to be flamed. Be it on a Heat board or a Pacer board.

[PR07]

You don't know for sure that it is even true but even if it was, it has nothing to do with basketball and he's never gotten in trouble with the law for anything even related to it or anything with the law in general.

Did Stephen Jackson, Tinsley, and Marquis Daniels's Club Rio have anything do with basketball? Did Jamaal Tinsley and Marquis Daniels bar incident? Did Shawne Williams drug possesion and murderer housing? Did David Harrison's failed drug test? No, but that all put a blackhole on Pacers' basketball. We are changing the culture here in Indiana, and we're doing it by getting players who keep their nose clean. Haslem by a few examples has me weary. I'd rather me safe than sorry and just avoid the problem before it starts.

Why does it matter if this is the Pacers or Heat board?

You will find on RealGM that you will have a lot more leeway when you are discussing ideas on your own board. To come over to another board, and insult another poster for expressing their opinion is absolutely unacceptable and shouldn't be tolerated. Quite frankly, it won't be. I've always taken the stance that you should choose your words and actions especially on another team's board wisely. Discuss, debate, and have fun...be courteous and respectful too, it's like being an ambassador in another country. I'm not a mod here, but this board likes visitors if they display respect and courtesy in discussions. Some of you have shown none.

By the way, we played in the playoffs 4 years ago ... 2 years ago was when we won the championship.

When the Pacers played the Heat in the playoffs like 2 seasons in a row a few years back

If you'd read, I said they played two seasons in a row, a few years back. Not two years ago.

Thank you.

-PR07

[HeatSince88]

If you're wondering what the point of Foster-for-Haslem does for you, the main thing would be getting younger ... going from a guy turning 32 in January for a guy who just turned 28. That would seem important for a team that hopes to be rebuilt by the 2010 season, when Foster will be turning 34.

But even if you don't like that, what about you guys getting an expiring and a good pick or prospect for Foster? Lots of teams would give us that for Haslem, so we could easily send that right onto Indiana. You guys get cap room and more young rebuilding assets, we get a center, the 3rd team gets Haslem:

Miami Gets
- J Foster

Indiana Gets
- Expiring contract, plus pick/prospect for rebuilding

3rd Team Gets
- U Haslem

[PR07]

I need maturing, yet your the one attacking a player I'm sure you know nothing about character wise. Again, could of just stuck to that last paragraph, why was there a need to say he as an attitude problem, especially when you wouldn't want the deal to happen regardless.When you make a false accusation, expect to be flamed. Be it on a Heat board or a Pacer board.

I think he has character red flags. The Pacers have had enough of that, maybe he doesn't, but even with the slightest red-flags, I think we'd be advised to stay clear. I never said Haslem is a bad player, he's a pretty darn good starting PF, there is no debate about that. However, I don't think he's a good fit here. He seems like he'd be a good acquisition for a veteran team, but I don't know if I like him around young core.

No, I will not be flamed. Maybe that's how it's done on the Heat board, but I can assure you based on what I've seen, that's not going to happen here.

[BlaZeN27]

Well with that approach then you guy's shouldn't even bother acquiring anyone. I mean, if the slightest things like that send up a red flag. I can see the worries about getting high character guys in the Pacers locker room with there history the past few years, but I can assure you that Haslem is nothing less then a GREAT locker room presence. Guy went undrafted and was named team captain over Wade and Shaq last year.

You don't feel the trade is a good one for your team and that's fine, and I respect that. That's all you had to say.

[salqaddoumi]

You don't know for sure that it is even true but even if it was, it has nothing to do with basketball and he's never gotten in trouble with the law for anything even related to it or anything with the law in general.

Did Stephen Jackson, Tinsley, and Marquis Daniels's Club Rio have anything do with basketball? Did Jamaal Tinsley and Marquis Daniels bar incident? Did Shawne Williams drug possesion and murderer housing? Did David Harrison's failed drug test? No, but that all put a blackhole on Pacers' basketball. We are changing the culture here in Indiana, and we're doing it by getting players who keep their nose clean. Haslem by a few examples has me weary. I'd rather me safe than sorry and just avoid the problem before it starts.

Why does it matter if this is the Pacers or Heat board?

You will find on RealGM that you will have a lot more leeway when you are discussing ideas on your own board. To come over to another board, and insult another poster for expressing their opinion is absolutely unacceptable and shouldn't be tolerated. Quite frankly, it won't be. I've always taken the stance that you should choose your words and actions especially on another team's board wisely. Discuss, debate, and have fun...be courteous and respectful too, it's like being an ambassador in another country. I'm not a mod here, but this board likes visitors if they display respect and courtesy in discussions. Some of you have shown none.

By the way, we played in the playoffs 4 years ago ... 2 years ago was when we won the championship.

When the Pacers played the Heat in the playoffs like 2 seasons in a row a few years back

If you'd read, I said they played two seasons in a row, a few years back. Not two years ago.

Thank you.

-PR07

Stop being so sensitive, I didn't make some sort of personal attack and call you a name or anything. All I said was that it's unfair to attack a guy like you did with just two weak examples to back up your argument while i've been watching the guy play for 4 years. You're taking the whole board system a little too seriously too, we're all on RealGM and we're all here to discuss basketball. How about we stick to the topic rather than discussing why your feelings were hurt.

And you're still wrong by the way, we never played each other two years in a row with Haslem on the team. The Heat didn't even make the playoffs the two years before that '04 series and we didn't play eachother in '05 either.

[PR07]

Any more insults or "flaming", and you will be asked to leave this board, and further action will ensue. Maybe not by me, but by someone.

This isn't my board, but I know this type of behavior is not tolerated anywhere on RealGM.

-PR07

[PR07]

That's fine guys. If you disagree with me, fine. To say, I don't know what I'm talking about is out of line quite frankly. That's a personal insult. Maybe I am being overly sensitive, but it's still disrespectful and what does that bring to the debate? All you have to say is you disagree, here's why? There's no need to bring in anyone's intelligence to the discussion. That brings nothing to the table.

I'm entitled to my opinion, maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong, but that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

You're taking the whole board system a little too seriously too, we're all on RealGM and we're all here to discuss basketball. How about we stick to the topic rather than discussing why your feelings were hurt.

We are here to discuss basketball, so why insult someone and question their intelligence because they expressed a differing opinion? That's weak.

You don't feel the trade is a good one for your team and that's fine, and I respect that. That's all you had to say.

That's all I did say. I don't like Haslem for this team, his character issues concern me. Like it or not, that's how I feel. Insulting me or "flaming" me accomplishes nothing and ruins the spirit of RealGM.