Jarred Bayless Thread (Merged)

glasket · Post #1 » by **glasket** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:33 am

I know its summer league, I know its not against top NBA competition/players and I know that we have talked about the Rush and Bayliss trade to death but though I might bring this up.

His stat line against the Wizards.
FG 3pt FT O D TA F S To Bs Pts
5-12 0-0 18-23 2 2 4 0 3 0 3 0 28

28 points on 5-12 shooting and only 3 turnovers is very good. Seems likehe really got to the FT line a lot.
Slight concern about 0 assists but this is summer league and there are ball hogs (think Earl Calloway).

We haven't seen of what BRush is capable off and I know that one game in the summer league doesn't say much, but if there is anything to be said than Bayliss is of to an impressive start.

Here's hoping that BRush delivers even more.

joew8302 · Post #2 » by **joew8302** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:37 am

Naturally I hope Rush has a far better career than Bayless, but I just don't think it will happen. I see Rush as an average to slightly above average two guard. I see his ceiling at 15 points, 6 boards and 3 or 4 assists. Bayless however reminds me of Monte Ellis with better size. He is so explosive and can beat you in a lot of ways. I loved his game.

Post #3 » by **count55** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:41 am

Wow, he matched Javaris Crittenton's output for his first summer league game.

Six more points, and he'll be able to look Travis Diener in the eye.

Grangerous · Post #4 » by **Grangerous** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:58 am

did his summer league just start or why did he get to play?

Wizop · Post #5 » by **Wizop** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:21 am

so? Rush was the guy we wanted. by sliding down we not only got him but Jack too. (McRoberts and Ike are a wash) no doubt Bayliss can score but can he distribute? can he defend the two?

FreeRon · Post #6 » by **FreeRon** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:31 am

Bayliss may be able to pass, but I guess we won't find out until he attempts to. No way he can guard the 2, either, so I imagine if they play him offensively as the 2 they'll play him defensively at point anyways.

Wizenheimer · Post #7 » by **Wizenheimer** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:53 am

just some notes on Bayless's 1st SL game from a blazer fan who watched...

First of all, the coaches explicitly told Bayless to shoot or drive every time he touched the ball. He obeyed, and chose to drive a lot more then shoot perimeter shots. He's got a deadly first step and a decent crossover dribble. Considering his age it's an excellent crossover. He's excellent at drawing fouls and shoots a good % from the line. His 0 assists is a deceptive number as he ha several good passes to teammates. They just couldn't make a shot and the portland SL frontline are all stiffs except for Batum.

Bayless has good lateral quickness on defense and wasn't really beaten off the dribble. of course he wasn't guarding Cgris Paul or Deron Williams. he defended Nick Young a lot and the 6'7 young was able to get shots off over the shorter Bayless.

All in all, it was a fairly impressive debut for Bayless. Hopefully Rush will have the same for the Pacers as he seems like a real good guy.

By the way, remember the name Petteri Koponen, portland may have a future starting PG in him, even with Bayless on the team.

Post #8 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:01 am

Wizenheimer wrote:By the way, remember the name Petteri Koponen, portland may have a future starting PG in him, even with Bayless on the team.

Yeah, I was jealous last year in the draft that Portland got to stockpile both Petteri Kopponen and Rudy Fernandez's respective rights. That was a major coup for the Blazers.

JarrettJackSG · Post #9 » by **JarrettJackSG** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:27 am

yeah... petteri kopenen and rudy are both really good.

seriously...i'm stiill pissed about this trade.

cdash · Post #10 » by **cdash** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:11 am

Seriously, its still summer league. If Bayless goes off for 27 in his Blazer debut, then we can play this game. Same story for Donte Greene and every other goober that has a good summer league. It doesnt mean crap. Really, the only NBA level talent in the summer league is the rookies and a few other second and third year players.

Post #11 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:23 am

How much did Marco Belinelli put up in that monster game he had last summer league? What did he do during the season?

glasket · Post #12 » by **glasket** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:47 am

All I wanted to convey in the post is that Bayliss seemed to have a good game. It is much better to play well even if it is summer league than to play ordinary.
What would you guys rather him score 28pts and shoot a decent percentage in summer league or score 4 points and on 2 for 14 FG?

I know it is summer league and it doesn't mean much but he played well. I am saying that he could have done much worse in his first game.

DannyGranger · Post #13 » by **DannyGranger** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:32 am

I good game in the summer league doesnt mean anything. You're playing against scrubs there. Look at our summer league roster:

6 Miguel "Ali" Berdiel F/G 6-6 200
16 Stanley Burrell G 6-3 210
11 Earl Calloway G 6-3 175
22 Josh Davis F 6-8 242
29 Andre Emmett F 6-5 220
54 Vladimir Golubovic C 7-0
23 Stephen Graham F 6-6
20 Justin Gray G 6-2 185
51 Aleks Maric C 6-11 270
44 Courtney Sims C 6-11
2 David Teague G 6-5
4 Shawne Williams

Out of all those guys, only Shawne Williams, Graham and MAYBE Calloway deserve to be in the NBA. Summer leauge is just a bunch of scrubs. Im sure if Rush was playing in the summer league he would have games like Bayless just did

I remember many years ago Toronto signed a guy named Yogi Stewart to a 6 year $24 million contract because he tore up the summer league. One of the worst mistakes that franchise ever made.

Dunthreevy · Post #14 » by **Dunthreevy** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:48 pm

Two words...

SUMMER LEAGUE

joew8302 · Post #15 » by **joew8302** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:04 pm

If summer league is just a bunch of scrubs like you say then I am even more discouraged by Williams play. You would think a guy who would be a contributed on an NBA team would do much better against "scrubs".

Post #16 » by **pacers33granger** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:58 pm

marcus banks put up 40 in a summer league game and nikiloz tskitishvilli was insane one year in the same league.

MillerTime101 · Post #17 » by **MillerTime101** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:32 pm

Got to say I dont see much point to this thread, why not name it Donte Greene, that kid dropped 40 and we could have taken him at 17. Its summer league, it means nothing.

Bayless can score in a summer league game, whoopdie doo. He also had 3 TO's, ZERO assists and got burned on defense.

Post #18 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:33 pm

Summer league is pretty much good for nothing. It's not much of an indicator of anything at all. It's most valuable in simply getting guys some run and knocking the rust off for training camp, and to see if certain guys have learned a new position for the next year and see what seems to work for them. You can't accurately gauge how good NBA players are in the summer league much the same way that Roger Clemens or Curt Shilling ALWAYS got rocked for 5+ runs and 10+ hits and couldn't last more than 4+ innings anytime he went down to the minor's for a rehab start. Minor league players have nothing to lose and play with a reckless abandon, and generally swing at everything. Doesn't mean they're better players, and they quickly get exposed at the next level. Major league players play like they're in the major's and generally the stats don't show they did as well, but they might've put it back together again.

Seriously, you can't look at Summer League as any indicator at all of any player, positive or negative. David Harrison used to tear up Andrew Bogut in the summer leagues. Guess who's getting a 5 year/$72 million deal and who's going to struggle to find a job for next year?

joeshmoe · Post #19 » by **joeshmoe** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:13 pm

I think stats of a summer league don't mean much in a vacuum. But I watched the game. He was impressive. He was guarded largely by Nick Young, a very quick player, and he got to the rim at will, handled the ball well in traffic, and finished well among the trees. I'm not overly impressed with the 28 points but I am blown away by the fact he got to the line 23 times.

I have no doubt he will be a higher scorer than Rush. But I don't know if he will be a better team player. He is short and he is a two guard that dominates the ball. But the boy has an engine and some amazing hops.

cdash · Post #20 » by **cdash** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:23 pm

We'll see how cavalier Bayless is about driving the lane once he gets knocked on his ass a few times. I also highly doubt that his Portland coaches will give him the explicit, "every time you get the ball, take it to the hoop" instructions that they are undoubtably giving him in summer league.

I agree 100% with the second paragraph of the post above this. I'm sure Bayless will be a better scorer than Rush, but really, it kind of looks like thats all he will be, and I'm not sure he can play the point full time. It seems like Portland has a pretty clever idea of pairing him up with a bigger ball handler so he can play off the ball. Koponen (who I like) in summer league, and Roy in the regular season. Smart ploy by the Blazers.