Time for Granger and Foster extensions???

dwpacer · Post #1 » by **dwpacer** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:07 pm

You know I'm hearing all the stuff about how Jeff Foster is a core player along with Danny Granger amongst others. So I'm wondering if he's a core player, ain't it about time he gets signed like one? Let's face facts here. His last contract only paid him just over 4 million a season, and for what he's done for this club despite everything that's happened in the last few years he was IMO vastly underpaid.

As for Danny, some people say don't sign him now, wait till next summer. I don't think so! He needs to be signed and kept now. It's simply a matter of finding the right price for both players because I have no doubt in my mind that both want to be here.

Granger is guaranteed 300% of his current salary for the upcoming season, starting out in a new contract, or roughly 7 million. Take that out to six years and you got a 53 million contract, but the way I figure it, he should be making 60-70 million at least in a new deal.

Tried to find what the Pacers can do in terms of extending Foster. I want to say a new deal will start at 10.5% above his current salary for the coming year. That would give him roughly a 36 million dollar contract over five years. I'm going by what I read in the CBA so don't hold me to this.

Thoughts???

IndieRuso420 · Post #2 » by **IndieRuso420** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:20 pm

Add Rasho to the list as well.

Pacers will give Granger an extension eventually.

However, if the Pacers don't get Foster and Rasho extended, it could be trouble. I have heard many rumors of Jeff wanting to go to SA. He went to college in Texas, and from what I've heard, Duncan really respects Fosters game & one time Tim said that Jeff Foster played some of the best D on Duncan. Basically, I could see Foster go to SA next off-season. Same goes for Rasho, I could see him go to SA or back to TOR. Even though neither big man is a star, they are both serviceable role players that I would like to see back with the Pacers.

joew8302 · Post #3 » by **joew8302** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:08 pm

I expect Granger to have another very good season coming up, in which case his agent will ask for more money than he will already demand. I would try to sign Danny ASAP. I would want to see where Jeff's head was in terms of staying here, and if he wants to be in Indianapolis for a deal similar to his current one I would do that too.

CableKC · Post #4 » by **CableKC** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:09 pm

IndieRuso420 wrote:Add Rasho to the list as well.

Pacers will give Granger an extension eventually.

However, if the Pacers don't get Foster and Rasho extended, it could be trouble. I have heard many rumors of Jeff wanting to go to SA. He went to college in Texas, and from what I've heard, Duncan really respects Fosters game & one time Tim said that Jeff Foster played some of the best D on Duncan. Basically, I could see Foster go to SA next off-season. Same goes for Rasho, I could see him go to SA or back to TOR. Even though neither big man is a star, they are both serviceable role players that I would like to see back with the Pacers.

I would have no problem extending Granger and Foster now....most people here would balk...but I'm thinking that Granger should be extended at $12-13 mil and Foster at a flat rate of $6.5mil per season for 3 seasons.

I really think that it's critical to extend Granger now before next season when there are teams out there ( most notably the Blazers ) that have huge amounts of Capspace. Lock Granger up now...not only to show the "love" to him....but also to prevent Kevin Pritchard from showing up at Granger's house with a huge boatload of $$$$.

MillerTime101 · Post #5 » by **MillerTime101** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:18 pm

dwpacer wrote:You know I'm hearing all the stuff about how Jeff Foster is a core player along with Danny Granger amongst others. So I'm wondering if he's a core player, ain't it about time he gets signed like one? Let's face facts here. His last contract only paid him just over 4 million a season, and for what he's done for this club despite everything that's happened in the last few years he was IMO vastly underpaid.

That is his rookie deal, we could not pay him more if we wanted too.

I agree about signing him now, I don't want his contract being a distraction during the season for him. I dont want to be matching offers for him next year as pretty much every team with cap room is going to take a look at him. He may not be a franchise player but he is a great young talent and I would hate to see him go.

As for Foster I would like to see him stick around but only for a 1-3 year deal at no more then he is making now.

Come on Larry, get it done! :bowdown:

Post #6 » by **mizzoupacers** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:27 pm

Extending Granger is a no-brainer...the Pacers absolutely have to get that done.

As for Foster, my guess is that the Pacers will extend either him or Rasho, but not both. Hibbert is going to factor into the equation at center in a really big way, and so long-term there's really only room for one other center making significant bucks.

I'm a big Foster fan, so it's hard not to be partial to him, but objectively the Pacers need to see what Rasho offers, and whether he is a better option than Foster for the next few seasons. I expect it would cost roughly the same amount of money to hang onto either Foster or Rasho. It might very well come down to which one appears to be less compromised by injury concerns.

FreeRon · Post #7 » by **FreeRon** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:14 pm

I agree that we will try to hold on to either Foster or Rasho, and my best guess is Rasho. Jeff's a great player and a great guy and I would hate to see him play somewhere else. However, extending him more than 3 years is just asking for an overpaid player in the future. He's always been a hustle guy and plays center a lot, and neither one of those lasts long. I would say most of his value will be gone in 3 years.

user name · Post #8 » by **user name** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:35 pm

Actually, I believe that Rasho will head back to Europe when his contract is up.

dwpacer · Post #9 » by **dwpacer** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:46 pm

FreeRon wrote:I agree that we will try to hold on to either Foster or Rasho, and my best guess is Rasho. Jeff's a great player and a great guy and I would hate to see him play somewhere else. However, extending him more than 3 years is just asking for an overpaid player in the future. He's always been a hustle guy and plays center a lot, and neither one of those lasts long. I would say most of his value will be gone in 3 years.

The only problem with that statement would be the fact that Foster's been vastly underpaid for the last 6 years, at just over 4 million a season.

Top league rebounders get paid roughly 6-7 million a season on the average these days.

MillerTime101 · Post #10 » by **MillerTime101** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:56 pm

dwpacer wrote:
FreeRon wrote:I agree that we will try to hold on to either Foster or Rasho, and my best guess is Rasho. Jeff's a great player and a great guy and I would hate to see him play somewhere else. However, extending him more than 3 years is just asking for an overpaid player in the future. He's always been a hustle guy and plays center a lot, and neither one of those lasts long. I would say most of his value will be gone in 3 years.

The only problem with that statement would be the fact that Foster's been vastly underpaid for the last 6 years, at just over 4 million a season.

Top league rebounders get paid roughly 6-7 million a season on the average these days.

Foster is making just over 6 million this year. He is not underpaid, infact I would say he is abit overpaid. I would be pretty surprised if they resigned Rasho instead of Foster, Foster is a fan favorite, plays uptempo and is a "Bird" type player.

Post #11 » by **count55** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:06 pm

Foster will make $5.5 million this year. The $6+ million number on hoopshype is incorrect.

The contract that he is finishing was a 6-year, $29 million contract, averaging out at just under $5 million per year. He was paid $3.8 the first year, $4.5 the second, $5.0 the third, then $5.5 for the last two, culminating in the $5.5 million he'll be paid this coming year.

For a solid defender, good rebounder, but player limited offensively, he is currently paid at about market value. It is likely that he would be considered an MLE guy next year, maybe slightly less.

If we were to sign an extension, it would likely start at his current salary, or slightly higher, and decline from there.

While I think it's a reasonable possibility that we'll re-sign him next year, I find it exceedingly unlikely that we will lock him up to an extension as it would remove some of our flexibility.

The most likely candidates for extensions are Granger (we will do it if he will sign) and Jarrett Jack (we would probably do for the right price). Foster, Daniels, and Rasho will probably remain as expirings to give us flexibility moving towards the trade deadline since we won't have a great deal of usable cap room next summer to pick up a key player.

Post #12 » by **PR07** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:08 pm

Giving Foster an extension more than 3-4 seasons would be stupid.

joew8302 · Post #13 » by **joew8302** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:45 pm

Count

I don't think giving Jeff an extension would be that big of a mistake, unless of course we give him a stupid amount of money. With his effort and rebounding I think we will always have the option of moving him if we want down the road. I don't think giving him an extension would be a big risk.

Post #14 » by **count55** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:51 pm

I'm not opposed to an extension for Jeff, or to waiting until next year, for the right price. I like Jeff a lot, and I think he's that type of guy that every team in the league could use and would love to have.

I just think that I might prefer to keep my options open, and I am probably inferring my view onto the Pacers' front office. I didn't mean to imply that it would be a mistake...sorry, if I did.

joew8302 · Post #15 » by **joew8302** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:52 pm

No you didn't, your fine. I just wondered your rationale for your comment. It is all good.

dwpacer · Post #16 » by **dwpacer** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:41 pm

Well I said it on another thread and I'll say it here.

Nobody thought much of Dennis Rodman's rebounding till he won 3 rings.

MillerTime101 · Post #17 » by **MillerTime101** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:57 pm

dwpacer wrote:Well I said it on another thread and I'll say it here.

Nobody thought much of Dennis Rodman's rebounding till he won 3 rings.

Please do not comapre Jeff Foster to Dennis Rodman, that guy was arguable the best rebounder of all time and is probably going into the hall of fame. Jeff Foster is a bench player.

Not to mention he had Jordan and Pippen, not Granger and Dunleavy ( no disrespect but come on :lol:

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Post #18 » by **count55** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:59 pm

dwpacer wrote:Well I said it on another thread and I'll say it here.

Nobody thought much of Dennis Rodman's rebounding till he won 3 rings.

Wow...that's just nonsense.

First, Rodman had five rings. He won two with the Pistons earlier in his career.

Second, Rodman was widely regarded as the best rebounder and best defensive player in the game throughout the '90's.

Third, as much as I like Jeff, it's an amazing stretch to compare him to Rodman, who averaged over 13 rebounds per game for his careeer, led the league in rebounding seven straight years, and average double-figure rebounds for 10 straight years, including two year at more than 18 boards a night. Jeff, on the other hand, has never averaged more than 9.1 per night. Even if you stretch to the per 36 minute numbers, Rodman has 14.9 versus Jeff's 12.2.

dwpacer · Post #19 » by **dwpacer** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:36 pm

You might be right, but it should also be added that Foster ranked #21 in rebounds per game (#5 in offensive rebounds last season while the Pacers were #26 in the league in rebounds per game against their opponents being out rebounded by nearly 2.5 per game.

As much as we added defense, I don't know if if we truly added rebounding. Foster is still going to be a 5-8 player for this team every year he's here.

There should be NO reason what-so-ever that he can't be here for the rest of his career. A solid 5-6 year deal will put him in the Over 36 rule anyway.

LadiesLuvPGs · Post #20 » by **LadiesLuvPGs** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:08 am

After hearing O'brien talk about Rasho in the press conference - he has no idea what production we'll get from him. Some coaches say he's underrated, but OB seemed to not take a stance - I am pretty sure that he will not get an extension before playing a game (not to mention even practicing) with the pacers.

I agree, granger is a no brainer. don't let him become an UR free agent where another team can determine his price.

you hardly see a player like foster, at his age, being extended by any team. Teams typically don't extend their players, outside those finishing their rookie contracts, unless they are all-stars and superstars.