Shawne's Thin Ice Cracking?

[Scoot McGroot]

According to Mike Wells of the Indy Star, Shawne Williams was pulled over on 96th street, and the passenger in his car, one Darrell Smith Jr., was cited for possession of marijuana, a misdemeanor. Shawne was only cited for a window tint violation and seat belt violation.

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a ... 4/80719006


Anyone think this could be it, or is this just another crack in the ice, but one that won't ultimately break the ice?

Any opinions out there?

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Wow, just wow. I really wanted to keep him, but I've had enough of this. What happened to him maturing? I think hes going to be a good player, but we can't have him torching our fresh start, we need to trade him.

[MUpacersSIC]

I say trade him. He was given the opportunity to surround himself with better people and he failed, miserably. How can someone put themselves in this situation when there is so much on the line. I think he has potential as a basketball player, but he is obviously not a good citizen and really needs to mature more.

[basketballwacko2]

Damn! Reminds me of a story I heard yrs ago about a guy who got stinking drunk staggered out of the bar into the street and fell down in the ditch next to a pig. A few minutes later a lady walked by and said, "You can tell a man who boozes by the company he chooses." And the pig got up an slowly walked away!

[IndyDave02]

I would be interested in reviewing the probable cause affidavit. I want to know how the traffic stop for window tint and seat belt (minor infractions) turned into a search of the passenger. I know this doesn't justify the actions of Shawn and/or the people he associates with but I can tell you that the officers in Hamilton Co. often ignore the 4th Amendment. Don't be surprised if the charges on the passenger get dismissed after a suppression hearing.

Nevertheless, Shawn and Tinsley will likely be shipped out as a package for sure now.

[Scoot McGroot]

I highly doubt they "often ignore the 4th amendment". Plus, are you painting every department in Hamilton County as corrupt and not doing the oath they took?

Just wondering.


I imagine there was something in the stop that lead to questioning or a search. It's more often than not that somebody says or does something stupid, or even consents to a search, even if they have drugs in the car or on them. I'm not so worried about the probable cause affidavit. They also didn't mention what the stop was originally for. Maybe it was for reckless driving, speeding, or something else that lead right into it.


I know it certainly doesn't help to just immediately paint the cops as corrupt before anything is even known about the exact situation.

[cdash]

Idiot.

[PR07]

This stinks. Shawne has a lot of promise, but I mean it clearly shows that he's not willing to make all of the changes he needs to with his life. If I'm the Pacers, I think might just ship him to the D-league for a full season and see if he gets the message yet. If he's not willing to act like a pro, he doesn't need to be in a pro's league. I mean I don't like waiving him, and if we trade him, it will probably be for 10 cents on the dollar.

[NashvilleKat]

With all the money and cars Shawne owns, I wonder why he was driving someone else's car. His passenger was not a friend (described as an associate)... wonder why he was riding with Williams and where they were going. Why would Shawne be ticketed for tinted window violation when it wasn't his car. Why was passenger searched when it was just a tinted window stop.

How many times have you and some dude had to ride somewhere together...do you always ask everyone who has ever traveled with you if they had some weed on them before pulling away? Of course not...this whole thing seems to be an asburd situation for all parties concerned.

[mizzoupacers]

I don't want to leap to conclusions about this latest incident. But if it is what it seems...three strikes and you're out. Time for Shawne to go. The Pacers can't tolerate this kind of repeated stuff if they are serious about changing the team culture.

Package Williams with Tinsley and see if anyone will give up a serviceable, non-albatross-contract player in return for a couple of talented knuckleheads. Preferably a power forward, but beggars can't be choosers.

[basketballwacko2]

With all the money and cars Shawne owns, I wonder why he was driving someone else's car. His passenger was not a friend (described as an associate)... wonder why he was riding with Williams and where they were going. Why would Shawne be ticketed for tinted window violation when it wasn't his car. Why was passenger searched when it was just a tinted window stop.

How many times have you and some dude had to ride somewhere together...do you always ask everyone who has ever traveled with you if they had some weed on them before pulling away? Of course not...this whole thing seems to be an asburd situation for all parties concerned.

Well this was hamilton county i think they tend to like to search your car and any excuse to pull you over is a good one. Down in Johnson county south of greenwood I was pulled over 5 times in 6 months for license plate violations, 3 for the plate bulb being out in each of my vehicles, once for the plate being crooked on my mark 8, and once for the plate being dirty on my van. i was pulled over 3 times in Hendricks county for crap as well, license plate in back window of my mark 8, weaving while trying roll up my crank window on the van, and once because the cop ran my plate on my truck and saw an indy address and I was in Danville.

So I didn't get searched but i'm 45 yrs old and know how to talk to the cops, it's frustrating to get stopped for crap, but if you keep your cool and you're not doing anything illegal it's no big thing. If you're 20-21 and black and driving an expensive vehicle in hamilton county or Danville or Trafalgar there's a good chance you're gonna be pulled over for a plate violation and if you act like a punk you might get searched, better hope your not holding an illegal gun or substance or got a wanted dude in the passenger seat. it may not be fair, but look at me 45 yr old white guy driving a 1999 van and a 1998 car getting pulled over 8 or 9 times in 12 months. zero tickets i might add.

[dwpacer]

The other side of this is that the article was written by Mike Wells. I have read a lot of his Pacers articles in the last 4 months and I've come to find his words to be harsh, his writing below objective, and his demeanor comparative of a donkey's kester.

As far as the rest goes, Shawne is done. He's been given every chance in the book, but his time with the Pacers is fast approaching an end. To me if he wants to get his career back on track, he needs to be sent packing to the West Coast, to a team that's far away from family, friends, and associates. The last resort is that the Pacers can NOT pick up his option by October 31st and outright waive him. Sure they will absorb his salary for this year 1.573 million, but it's a truly small price to pay for the pain.

[Scoot McGroot]

I don't get all the hate for Hamilton County police (granted, there's about 12 different departments or more in Hamilton County). I've been pulled over twice in Fishers. Once was when I was 17. Apparently, I had an obstructed license plate (it was obstructed) and was driving through a neighborhood that had a rash of break-ins and the suspect was driving a dark sports car (I was driving a black Camaro). However, after talking to the cops on this event (about 6 cop cars came and boxed me in), there were no searches or anything of the sort.

The other time was for a broken headlight (it was broken) on I-69 at like 1 AM. The cop only pulled me over long enough to notify me my headlight was busted and needed to be replaced. Didn't write a ticket or even a warning. Just let me know.


I've never had problems. Then again, I'm also entering the academy in the next year. Maybe I'm taking offense to something that I shouldn't.




Lastly guys, just because he was pulled over on 96th St. doesn't mean it wasn't IMPD that pulled him over. 96th is policed by Marion, Boone, and Hamilton Counties. Marion patrols it throughout Boone and Hamilton Counties. It very well might not have been Hamilton County cops. Just throwing this out there before we paint them all as racist pigs who don't know the laws they've sworn to protect.

[basketballwacko2]

That's a good point about the 96th st that is the county line i believe so it could have very well been the impd. 15 yr ago i worked at Charles Schwab and got off at 3 am. i was 30 and driving a taurus, i got pulled over on keystone at 330 am doing 62 in a 50 and got a warning no search the guy told me to be more careful. A guy i worked with who was 22 and looked 19 got pulled over for a tail light violation on meridian a few days earlier not only did he get a ticket, but they searched his car and trunk and patted him down. No one could believe i only got a warning, but you treat the cops with respect and you usually get respect in return. I don't know what my co worker did or how he acted when they stopped him but he was young in a sporty car and yeah he was a white kid so that wasn't the issue.

[Grang33r]

This is it for Williams. I'm glad he played well in summer ball because it did raise his value and many teams around the league will deal for a player like him who have room for "risky" players with potential, but in Indianapolis, we don't. I read an article in the Portland paper few days ago about the Bayliss/Rush deal and even they said they had a deal for a good player but it meant a sketchy player was going to Portland but they rejected it because they can't afford it just yet.

Indiana is in no shape to give this guy another chance. I know this isn't that big of an issue, BUT, Williams apoligized for having "bad" friends and promised to change who he started to hang out with. That, plus the commen sense that Williams is still doing drugs.

He's a goner. So long Shawne.

[DannyGranger]

I would be interested in reviewing the probable cause affidavit. I want to know how the traffic stop for window tint and seat belt (minor infractions) turned into a search of the passenger. I know this doesn't justify the actions of Shawn and/or the people he associates with but I can tell you that the officers in Hamilton Co. often ignore the 4th Amendment. Don't be surprised if the charges on the passenger get dismissed after a suppression hearing.

Nevertheless, Shawn and Tinsley will likely be shipped out as a package for sure now.

officers have the right to search under reasonable suspicion. nevertheless, Shawne was told to pick him "friends" well and once again he didnt. Indy has see enough of this type of behaviour and they probably wont tolerate it again. I think Shawne is going to be a good player, but I dont see him on the Pacers next season.

[DannyGranger]

I would be interested in reviewing the probable cause affidavit. I want to know how the traffic stop for window tint and seat belt (minor infractions) turned into a search of the passenger. I know this doesn't justify the actions of Shawn and/or the people he associates with but I can tell you that the officers in Hamilton Co. often ignore the 4th Amendment. Don't be surprised if the charges on the passenger get dismissed after a suppression hearing.

Nevertheless, Shawn and Tinsley will likely be shipped out as a package for sure now.

officers have the right to search under reasonable suspicion. nevertheless, Shawne was told to pick him "friends" well and once again he didnt. Indy has see enough of this type of behaviour and they probably wont tolerate it again. I think Shawne is going to be a good player, but I dont see him on the Pacers next season.

[23artest23]

I did not bother reading all the responses but I hope this is not his end as a Pacer. This is a minor enough incident for me to let this pass. In reality, I think it will be his end though.

[bravesatl]

wow, but i'm not suprised....shawne is as good as gone....

[Wizop]

the ice is cracked even though Carmel is well known for stopping people for the offense of driving while black.