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iiI would say maybe trade Daniels or Shawne, but I think Shanwe will be packaged with any Tinsley move. So I would say Trade Daniels only for exp and/or picks.

We should stand pat and do nothing UNLESS we are able to move Shawne, Marquis and/or Graham in a trade that would net us any of the following:

1 ) An acceptable scoring Backup PF that is a solid rebounder that does not have a "per year" salary of $4-5 mil that exceeds 3 seasons.

or

2 ) A very solid perimeter defender roleplayer that can guard oversized PGs / quick SGs ( my preference is Quinton Ross for Shawne ).

Otherwise....I am content to do nothing for the rest of the season to let Marquis expire and see whether we should resign Rasho or Foster next season.

I really want to evaluate how a core of TJ/Dunleavy/Granger/Murphy/Rasho/Jack/Foster/Rush/Diener does this season so that we can figure out what moves we need to make in the 2009-2010 offseason. I don't think that we need to make a huge Offseason splash....I want to build this team the right way...just like the way the Blazers have over the last couple of seasons.

CableKC wrote:We should stand pat and do nothing UNLESS we are able to move Shawne, Marquis and/or Graham in a trade that would net us any of the following:

1 ) An acceptable scoring Backup PF that is a solid rebounder that does not have a "per year" salary of $4-5 mil that exceeds 3 seasons.

or

2 ) A very solid perimeter defender roleplayer that can guard oversized PGs / quick SGs ( my preference is Quinton Ross for Shawne ).

Otherwise....I am content to do nothing for the rest of the season to let Marquis expire and see whether we should resign Rasho or Foster next season.

I really want to evaluate how a core of TJ/Dunleavy/Granger/Murphy/Rasho/Jack/Foster/Rush/Diener does this season so that we can figure out what moves we need to make in the 2009-2010 offseason. I don't think that we need to make a huge Offseason splash....I want to build this team the right way...just like the way the Blazers have over the last couple of seasons.

I pretty much agree with this 100%. Of course there is a possibility another team goes braindead and gives us an offer we have to take, but that is not likely. If I am Bird Quis, Tinsley, and Williams are for sale. I would have to be blown away by an offer to really look at trading anyone else.

In my eyes, Marquis has value amounting to just a bit more than JT and that is simply because he has a year less on the contract. Finding a taker for Marquis would be a similar situation to finding a taker to JT. Both are overpaid, injury prone, have off the court issues, and are inconsistent in ability for one reason or another. It may be worth keeping Marquis for simply having an expiring in 09-10 to deal or simply let expire and leave the books. Both are worth peanuts to me but hopefully I am wrong.

He's gonna have to because right now I think we have 16 people under contract so SOMEBODY is going to get dropped or traded.

23artest23 wrote:In my eyes, Marquis has value amounting to just a bit more than JT and that is simply because he has a year less on the contract. Finding a taker for Marquis would be a similar situation to finding a taker to JT. Both are overpaid, injury prone, have off the court issues, and are inconsistent in ability for one reason or another. It may be worth keeping Marquis for simply having an expiring in 09-10 to deal or simply let expire and leave the books. Both are worth peanuts to me but hopefully I am wrong.

Marquis Daniels is essentially an expiring contract this year. The final year of his deal is a team option that NO TEAM would possibly exercise. Whoever owns him at the end of the year is going to let him expire at the end of the year. No one will keep him at roughly $7 million.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

23artest23 wrote:In my eyes, Marquis has value amounting to just a bit more than JT and that is simply because he has a year less on the contract. Finding a taker for Marquis would be a similar situation to finding a taker to JT. Both are overpaid, injury prone, have off the court issues, and are inconsistent in ability for one reason or another. It may be worth keeping Marquis for simply having an expiring in 09-10 to deal or simply let expire and leave the books. Both are worth peanuts to me but hopefully I am wrong.

Marquis Daniels is essentially an expiring contract this year. The final year of his deal is a team option that NO TEAM would possibly exercise. Whoever owns him at the end of the year is going to let him expire at the end of the year. No one will keep him at roughly $7 million.

That changes things quite a bit

I say yes ,if the trade includes long contract (Murphy /J.T./ or ?) for starting pf that could grow with the team such as NELE -den/SMITH-atl/OKAFOR-char. We should not trade any of the expiring contracts if possible. That way we can use that next summer to add a missing pc. to the puzzle.

23artest23 wrote:In my eyes, Marquis has value amounting to just a bit more than JT and that is simply because he has a year less on the contract. Finding a taker for Marquis would be a similar situation to finding a taker to JT. Both are overpaid, injury prone, have off the court issues, and are inconsistent in ability for one reason or another. It may be worth keeping Marquis for simply having an expiring in 09-10 to deal or simply let expire and leave the books. Both are worth peanuts to me but hopefully I am wrong.

Marquis has way more value then Tinsley...despite the off-court troubles.....especially towards the end of the trade deadline....finding takers for him won't be as hard as it will be for Tinsley.

If there is a player that we are interested that doesn't have a contract that will kill us long term....Marquis can be traded for and the team taking him can instantly buy him out ( if they choose to ) and his PR/off-court issues can instantly disappear. In fact...if we don't find any takers for him by the trade deadline...I would expect us to do the same. Teams that need to get under the cap will be interested in Marquis.

Marquis won't give anyone instant cap room as his contract is guaranteed, but I see what you're saying. He will interest underachieving teams who have some talent that needs to be moved or some long-term deals that need to be shortened.

Scoot McGroot wrote:Marquis won't give anyone instant cap room as his contract is guaranteed, but I see what you're saying. He will interest underachieving teams who have some talent that needs to be moved or some long-term deals that need to be shortened.

Maybe I worded it the wrong way.....I was referring to cap relief by moving long-term deals that need to be shortened. But the only way that we would take on a player is IF we get back a player that makes sense for us.

I would be fine with no more moves (not involving JT). Lets be realistic, the only thing we could get for Murphy is a player of alot less talent and slightly better contract or a slightly better player then Murphy with a worse contract. Neither of those interest me in the least.

As far as Daniels I would like to see him gone but he is basically an expiring contract so not a huge downside in keeping him, or dealing him at the deadline for maybe a future 2nd round pick.

Shawn Williams will likely be added in the Tinsley deal so in my mind he is already gone.

MillerTime101 wrote:As far as Daniels I would like to see him gone but he is basically an expiring contract so not a huge downside in keeping him, or dealing him at the deadline for maybe a future 2nd round pick.

Unfortunately, any deal that involves Marquis would likely involve getting players in return. That's why I have no problem letting him expire or be used in a trade that can net us the backup PF that we are looking for that has a $4-5 mil contract over the next 2-3 seasons.

I'm trying to think of a team out there that needs Luxury Tax relief and has a decent backup PF that they can part with that would also fit our needs. Anyone have any realistic options ( unfortunately, Haslem is not a realistic option ).

I think we should always be looking to make our team better - no matter what. So I vote yes.

DGrangeRx33 wrote:I think we should always be looking to make our team better - no matter what. So I vote yes.

Yes...we should always be looking to make the team better.....but those moves must be "smart" moves since anything that we do now will have an impact on our Financial/SalaryCap flexiblility next season and beyond.

What we do going forward should be made taking into consideration that we we still need to resign both Granger and Jack while giving us enough SalaryCap space to get a decent rotational Big Man ( either by resigning Foster or Rasho and/or signing a solid rotational Big Man.

It could mean making a trade involving our Expiring Contracts to get the rotational Big Man that we are looking for now....or even could mean that we simply do nothing. It just all depends on how our moves impact what we intend to do next season.

I would say yes. We have to make some more moves with Marquis Daniels and Shawne Williams. I don't care what players we get in return for them. Just as long as they are of equal value without the off the court problems we are good. I would like to see another pick come our way, but that's just me.

jarrettjackfan wrote:I would say yes. We have to make some more moves with Marquis Daniels and Shawne Williams. I don't care what players we get in return for them. Just as long as they are of equal value without the off the court problems we are good. I would like to see another pick come our way, but that's just me.

We are not going to get equal value for those too. Why would someone trade a player for a another player that is just as good but has off court problems? If we could package all three for expirings I would be happy. A pick or prospect would be icing on the cake.

Daniels and Williams are expirings.

Yeah that's why I said those two. I mean we could get some cap space if we keep them, but I think I would like some new players that also are playing in a contract year.