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According to Hoopsworld.com, the Pacers have steped their effort to finally bring in the PF they have been searching for which is Charlie Villanueva of the Milwaukee Bucks.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9672

Charlie's Stats:

Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
07-08 MIL 76 31 24.1 0.435 0.297 0.783 1.9 4.2 6.1 1.0 0.4 0.5 1.41 2.30 11.7
Career 196 84 26.4 0.453 0.318 0.761 2.0 4.2 6.2 1.0 0.6 0.5 1.33 2.70 12.3

Do it already Larry.

If the Bucks are interested in Murphy. We could do a Murphy for Gadzuric, Charlie trade. But I dont know if I would do that. Expand it Murphy, Shawne, Tinsley, 2nd FOR Charlie, Gadzuric, Mason. We could throw in McBob and it still works if they want him.
Murphy > Charlie
Tinsley > Gadzuric
Shawne & 2nd < Mason
Although I would say since Shawne is younger and has potential its close. Then throw in the 2nd and close to even. However I still give the edge to Mason.

Hoopsworld is a fan base website with a lot of malarky. Fans from various teams write these articles. It would be no different then you or I.

Take for example a Miami PG situation report from Sunday morning, was conveinient enough to leave off Jamaal Tinsley from the page.

Besides, the idea suggests that the Pacers and Bucks trade Murphy for Villaneuva straight up.

I'm going to point to one particular passage that undermines the credibility of this writer's position:

That's not to minimize Murphy's production, as he brings to the table exactly the mindset the Bucks - with new head coach Scott Skiles - hope to install in all their players. Milwaukee will likely start four other players that can score, but would benefit from the rebounding effort and defensive intensity Murphy would bring.

Unless we're talking about a different Troy Murphy...

That said, they'd likely want to (have to) package Gadzuric with Villanueva to make the deal work...we could throw in Shawne Williams and make it work, but now we're stuck with Gadz' contract without getting rid of Tinsley...Murphy's contract will be gone, but we'll probably need to do something with Charlie V.

I'd have to do the math to see what this would do, longterm salary-wise.

Murphy for Villanueva seems like an odd trade to me. I'm sure there are differences between them, but basically, they are both power forwards who can make an outside shot but are not exactly known for being rugged rebounders or defenders.

The biggest difference is the salaries IMO. And their ages. And Villanueva wins on both counts. So I don't really get why the Bucks would want to trade us Villanueva for Murphy. Obviously it would depend on who else gets included in the deal.

To be honest, I'm not really convinced that Villanueva is any better (or even as good as Murphy). As mizzou points out, age and $'s help Charlie V, but if all things were equal, I'd probably lean towards keeping Murph, just as a player.

Technically, I'd rather include Mason over Gadzuric in any deal. A one year contract can be easily waived or bought out allowing the player to move on or return to his previous ball club. It's actually not uncommon.

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Indiana Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: 0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, and 0.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Charlie Villanueva
6-10 PF from Connecticut
No games yet played in 2007/08
Desmond Mason
6-5 SF / SG from Oklahoma State
No games yet played in 2007/08
Outgoing Players
Troy Murphy
6-11 PF from Notre Dame
No games yet played in 2007/08
Milwaukee Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: 0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, and 0.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Troy Murphy
6-11 PF from Notre Dame
No games yet played in 2007/08
Outgoing Players
Charlie Villanueva
6-10 PF from Connecticut
No games yet played in 2007/08
Desmond Mason
6-5 SF / SG from Oklahoma State
No games yet played in 2007/08

DWCP2 wrote:Hoopsworld is a fan base website with a lot of malarky. Fans from various teams write these articles. It would be no different then you or I.

Take for example a Miami PG situation report from Sunday morning, was conveinient enough to leave off Jamaal Tinsley from the page.

Besides, the idea suggests that the Pacers and Bucks trade Murphy for Villaneuva straight up.

Exactly. That's why i try not to visit that web site often. It's not really a news website, it's a blog site. I mean, does the reporter, Jon Mladic, have any inside sources? I doubt it.

I would rather keep Murphy than trading him for Charlie V. Murphy is the man...the over-payed man, but the man none the less.

I don't put a lot of stock in anything hoopsworld has to say, all that article did was talk about scoring. We know there's a lot more to the game that a players scoring average. I can't see a deal where they take Murph unless it's Gadz and CV. No way on earth do they do JT and Murph for Mason, CV and Gadz. They don't need Jamaal and adding that much long term salary would not be smart. Equally, Murphy for mason and CV is very unlikely for the same reason.


like someone said the article seemed to imply that we could get CV for murph straight up and that's impossible. my question is who wrote that silly crp.

The author indicated Murph and CV as the principles, but did indicate that the CBA would require Milwaukee to add in more:

Murphy's contract is worth significantly more than Villanueva's, and the Pacers would surely want more than him (and would need more to satisfy the CBA's trade rules) for a player that is more NBA-proven.

He may have the relative value of the players skewed, but, in all fairness, he does understand the cap implications.

I would say that for the Bucks to take on Murphy they would want us to take back Gadzuric. If we have to do that then I don't know how that really helps us. Maybe a Murphy, Graham, Daniels for CV, Gadzuric, Mason. I think this is almost a wash, but CV is young and if he pans out we could try to resign him. The only real thing I see is that we get rid of Daniels for Mason, that way we get rid of another player that has been in trouble. I would say do it though CV is pretty athletic big man.

If we would get Gadzuric in the deal it would enable us to look at maybe moving Foster. Not a fan of that but, since we are going to be in the running for maybe the last spot in the playoffs we could atleast get something for him or use him to try to move Chubsley, and then if we think we can't live without him try to resign him next year. Maybe a Chubsley, Foster, Denier for Haslem, Banks, 09 2nd.

Ford, Jack
Dunleavy, Rush
Granger, Mason, Williams
Haslem, CV
Rasho, Hibbert, Gadzuric

Banks, Baston, McRoberts filling the last 3 spots.

This has to be pure speculation on the part of the writer. There is no way that the Bucks take on Murphy's contract even if we are forced to take Gadzuric.

Wouldn't that be ironic if we did land Charlie V.? Considering he was the guy Ford was traded for

hum, maybe there is a connnection?

personally, i like murphy better than cv. but i'd have to give a nod to an exchange just because we get out from under murphy's contract. milwaukee is one of the few teams that has not been afraid to pile on the long contracts (in an apparent bid to win soon with this basic group). so, if they evaluate murphy the way i do (better than cv), then i can see them maybe doing a swap. (note, i personally don't think it would be fiscally responsible for milwaukee to do so - but i can say that about a lot of their recent moves).

ps - in fairness to hoopsworld, a lot of their content are speculative or opinion pieces. but they have actually broken a story or two this summer. not a bad site - and they update with a lot of content daily.

CableKC wrote:This has to be pure speculation on the part of the writer. There is no way that the Bucks take on Murphy's contract even if we are forced to take Gadzuric.

I don't know. I would say that Gadzuric is possibly one of the worst players/contracts in the league. Moving him for Murphy would take on money, but no extra years, and would give them a guy they'd probably play a lot more than Gadzuric. If it cost them another long-term deal, or even someone that was worthless, they very well might do it.



I would ultimately only even consider this type of deal depending on if we had another deal lined up to get another solid PF that was lined up on a long-term contract. Charlie V being a free agent next year would kind of suck with Granger and Jack already expiring at the same time.

That article on Hoopsworld also had a link to Mike Wells blog on July 31st with regards to a possible PF move.

I read both the article and Mike Wells blog, and there's really not much there asides from out of the blue speculation.

I'm probably do a Murphy for Charlie V + Gadzuric deal. I think Murphy's a little better overall player right now, but Charlie has youth on his side and could be the better player within a season or two. He's only 23 and would be another young piece to build our future around.

Might be a little difficult considering the need to re-sign Granger and Foster next summer. I really don't wanna head back into cap lock