"In Search Of A Taker" by Andrew Perna

[greenway84]

After having a conversation with Pacers general manager David Morway on Tuesday morning, I strongly believe that Indiana will do everything within their power to trade Jamaal Tinsley prior to the 2008-09 season.

No one in the NBA is untradeable, but unfortunately for Morway and team president Larry Bird, Tinsley won’t be an easy sell. However, a handful of teams are in need of help at point guard, which should allow the Pacers to accomplish their goal of unloading Jamaal and the three years and more than $20 million he has left on his contract.

Trade #1
Tinsley goes to Cleveland for Eric Snow

Trade #2
Tinsley goes to Miami for Udonis Haslem

Trade #3
Tinsley and Shawne Williams go to New York for David Lee and Malik Rose

Trade #4
Tinsley goes to Orlando for Brian Cook and J.J. Redick

Trade #5
Tinsley and Williams go to Phoenix for Boris Diaw

Trade #6
Tinsley, Travis Diener and Stephen Graham go to Sacramento for Shelden Williams, Quincy Douby and Francisco Garcia

For more in depth details of the trades, and the full article go to:
http://pacers.realgm.com/articles/142/20080806/in_search_of_a_taker/

Andrew Perna is a Senior Writer for RealGM.com. Please feel free to contact him with comments or questions via e-mail – Andrew.Perna@RealGM.com

[mizzoupacers]

The only one of those trades that I think has any chance of happening is the one with Phoenix--it seems at least within the realm of possibility that the Suns want to get rid of Diaw's contract badly enough to trade him for Tinsley, since Tinsley's contract is a year shorter, he could conceivably be Nash's backup, and they also get to take a flyer on Williams, who is still very young and has shown he has some talent.

Most likely, though, no one is going to trade for Tinsley this summer. Summer is the time of optimism, when you think that bargain free agent or second-round pick just might prove to be the diamond-in-the-rough you've been hoping for.

Only when it becomes clear that those guys are not diamonds after all will some other team commit to paying a chronically injured malcontent until June of 2011. And even then, it would help mightily if a team built to contend right now has their pg go down with an injury in midseason. That's probably our best hope.

[IndieRuso420]

Sorry, but mostly all of these trades seem unlikely if left as is. They are all completely in favor of IND with less than fair compensation for the other team.

I still think its going to be Tinsley for Kenny Thomas, and if the Pacers get more than Kenny Thomas than I will be very very happy.

[count55]

Meh...the writer's a dope.

[FreeRon]

I think all but the last one could be done if we threw in a 2nd rounder, but I agree that they are in our favor a little bit. The Knicks one might be okay for both teams because evidently the opinion of David Lee isn't too high around the NBA and Rose is nothing but an expiring. The only thing is that would almost certainly put them out of the running for LeBron, which they will probably not be in anyways but I'm sure they believe they will be. the Suns deal doesn't look too much in our favor unless you're assuming the only other option is buying out or sitting Tinsley for the year. The Suns would get a little bit of salary relief, although they would have more PG's than they needed at that point. I think you have to realize that the Suns and Diaw are in the same situation as the Pacers and Tinsley are in right now to see how that trade benefits both teams.

[IndieRuso420]

I think all but the last one could be done if we threw in a 2nd rounder, but I agree that they are in our favor a little bit. The Knicks one might be okay for both teams because evidently the opinion of David Lee isn't too high around the NBA and Rose is nothing but an expiring. The only thing is that would almost certainly put them out of the running for LeBron, which they will probably not be in anyways but I'm sure they believe they will be. the Suns deal doesn't look too much in our favor unless you're assuming the only other option is buying out or sitting Tinsley for the year. The Suns would get a little bit of salary relief, although they would have more PG's than they needed at that point. I think you have to realize that the Suns and Diaw are in the same situation as the Pacers and Tinsley are in right now to see how that trade benefits both teams.

I don't think Diaw is even close to the same boat Tinsley is in. I don't live in Phoenix, but as far as I know, Diaw isn't causing trouble via fights or shootings or weed. Diaw has had some injury problems, but for the most part has been pretty healthy. When you compare games played of Diaw and Tinsley its not even close. Diaw is far more reliable day in and day out. On top of that, all Phoenix gets for Diaw is both the Pacers headaches in Tinsley and Williams. I understand that Diaw's production might be from Phoenix's offense. Regardless, I don't think thats enough for Diaw.

I believe SAC, HOU, or LAC are most likely destinations.

1) Tinsley & a future 2nd for Kenny Thomas
2) Tinsley & Williams (and possibly other considerations) for a S&T of Carl Landry
3) Tinsley & a future 2nd for Tim Thomas

There may be other options I'm not touching on here, but these seem like the obvious ones to me.

[greenway84]

i think orlando miami or new orleans would be our best bet.

[mizzoupacers]

1) Tinsley & a future 2nd for Kenny Thomas
2) Tinsley & Williams (and possibly other considerations) for a S&T of Carl Landry
3) Tinsley & a future 2nd for Tim Thomas

I doubt Sacramento wants to trade us Thomas for Tinsley. They just signed Beno Udrih to a long-term contract, plus Thomas has a shorter contract than Tinsley does.

I also doubt Houston wants to take on Tinsley's salary--they have pgs as good as Tin Man, and they can just let Landry walk and not be on the hook for any additional salary at all.

Tinsley is not an asset, he is a liability. Letting a guy walk is better than paying Tinsley $21 million over the next three seasons. The only reasons for other teams to trade for Tinsley are to unload an unwanted contract, or because they are completely desperate for a point guard. Phoenix makes a little bit of sense because they don't want Diaw's contract, and because they don't really have a pg on the roster other than Nash (Barbosa ain't no point guard) and the Suns need to find a way to keep Nash from wearing down before the playoffs start.

[APerna]

Meh...the writer's a dope.

Totally. Since when is he a credible source? He's about as talented as the young Lohan sister. Damn, at least Lindsay is/was hot.

[basketballwacko2]

JT to cleveland for Snow has no chance, never in a million yrs.

JT to Miami for Haslem has a better chance than the Cavs deal, but still less than 1%.

JT and Shawne for Rose and Lee I'd say is a lttle more likely maybe 2%.

Tinsley goes to Orlando for Brian Cook and J.J. Redick, I'd give that one about 5%

Tinsley and Williams go to Phoenix for Boris Diaw, my personal fave, but I'll say only a 10% and only because the Suns are over the tax threashold and this saves them some money.

Tinsley, Travis Diener and Stephen Graham go to Sacramento for Shelden Williams, Quincy Douby and Francisco Garcia, I'd give this about the same chances as the Miami deal 1% because anything is possible, but I see no reason why the kings would do that.


I'm a believer that something is gonna get done but it might not be until Jan 09.

[HicksvsKnicks08]

Diaw isn't causing trouble via fights or shootings or weed

In all fainress, Tinsley was never convicted of any of the above offenses. I believe he pled no contest to the fight.. I miss the days when Barkely could come on national TV and say " I go out to strip clubs, Kevin (Johnson) goes to church." and then everyone would laugh. Im not justifying Tinsley , but a favorite line from a favorite movie......................

"Lighten up Francis"


Lol

[basketballwacko2]

I used to go to strip clubs and thought it was church! Man me and Barkley are like brothers. You know though a player can go out and have some fun and party his ass off at a strip joint he can even pickup a stripper or 3 and takem home with him, as long as they go of their own free will and get all the crazy lovin' he needs, and i have no problem with that. But the player needs to have some degree of self respect in how d he behaves in public. While at said strip club, do not expose your private parts, do not get in to a fight with anyone, do not pull your pistol, don't get out the Rock and fire it up right there at your table and then stand up on your table and say, "Screw you MFs I'm an NBA player! I'll smoke crack if I want to! And you wage earning Aholes can kiss my ..."

If our guys just restrained themselves a little bit we wouldn't be worrying about trading Jack or JT and as for Shawne all he has to do is tell his hommies to F.. off.

[Donerik]

Can We trade JT + his hand gun + the coats he was stealing before he punched the bar tender and Shawne + His car passengers(the ones with pot, unliscenced guns, and the murders) for those god awful st patricks day knicks jerseys?

Seriously, I know we have some people in the front office, but does Larry Legend have the midas touch? Jesus turned water into wine, can Larry turn JT in a power forward and a saint?

I'll give him mad props if he can move a guy I liked until he stole coats and assaulted a bar tender, It's a tough sell, I hope hit happens for him but mostly for us as pacers fans.

Shawne I'm meh on as I've said before, who hasn't has their stupid friends get into there car with weed or an open bottle of liqueur they didn't tell you about? All of the sudden there's flashing lights in your mirror and they're telling you to act cool and noone goes to jail... and you're like WHAT?!?

Good luck Larry

[Gremz]

Seriously, I know we have some people in the front office, but does Larry Legend have the midas touch? Jesus turned water into wine, can Larry turn JT in a power forward and a saint?

No, but perhaps we could trade HIM to the Seattle Storm instead of Marquis (see other thread), mind you he'd probably have the same impact there as he does on this team

[Bucky O'Hare]

Trade #1
Tinsley goes to Cleveland for Eric Snow

If West bolts, it's possible. They'll be in need of a point guard worse than we need to rid ourselves of Jamaal. If West stays, no chance.

Trade #2
Tinsley goes to Miami for Udonis Haslem

Doesn't seem likely. Miami needs Jamaal, but not at the expense of Haslem.

Trade #3
Tinsley and Shawne Williams go to New York for David Lee and Malik Rose

No chance.

Trade #4
Tinsley goes to Orlando for Brian Cook and J.J. Redick

Possible. The Magic have a mediocre point guard situation as it stands, a Nelson/Tinsley duo would push it up to solid. Considering how limited the Magic's current ability to improve their team is, I could see it happening.

Trade #5
Tinsley and Williams go to Phoenix for Boris Diaw

I'd pass. We're giving up the best trade piece (Shawne) and taking back the worst contract in Diaw. If Phoenix threw in a 1st round pick, I'd strongly consider it.

Trade #6
Tinsley, Travis Diener and Stephen Graham go to Sacramento for Shelden Williams, Quincy Douby and Francisco Garcia

Very unrealistic.

[MillerTime101]

I think alot of you are too hard are Tinsley and are undervaluing him. The bottom line is the NBA is a business and TInsley is a 12-8 point guard. Yes he has some off the court issues but alot of kids in the NBA with millions of dollars do. There are GM's out there that would gladly take a small hit on their teams image to make them a better team on the court.

Larry Bird has said they are not buying him out, and that he will not be back, sounds like he is getting some offers.

Tinsley is not worth much but saying it is unrealistic to get a decent bench player in return I do not agree with. Starting PG's do not grow on trees.

[Gremz]

^^Yes but bad fruits with bad seeds do. Tinsley is someone who hasn't shown he is interested in the organisation, only himself. Injury concerns and off the court issues aren't gonna give GM's confidence in handing the reigns of their team over to him, it's simply not logical

[cavsfan_osiris]

I wish the Pacers would just negotiate the buyout already so the Cavs could take a look at him. This charade about trying to move him is comical. No one wants any part of this guy unless the trade is heavily favored in their favor.

[cdash]

Thanks for your insight, but that is precisely the reason we dont want to buy him out. We pay him so he can potentially go play for a division rival? Right.

[basketballwacko2]

I wish the Pacers would just negotiate the buyout already so the Cavs could take a look at him. This charade about trying to move him is comical. No one wants any part of this guy unless the trade is heavily favored in their favor.

Surely you can't be serious! And yes I'm calling you Shirley. I've said now for several months that the pacers would not be buying out Tinsley, the only way this team would do a buyout is if the player was in his last contract yr. Buying him out accomplishes nothing he'd $18 million and that divided by 3 season remaining means he hits our cap for $6 million per yr. So the pacers pay jt to go play for some other team.

I see nothing comical except the idea that we should pay jamaal $18 million so he can 'come over' and play for the Cavs. Tell you what if you want jamaal give us damon jones and filler and he's yours, if you want him to come over and work out that's cool if he's healthy and in shape he'd be an upgrade. We aren't asking for a lot in return we just don't want to pay the guy to play for some other team.