And then there were 3.....

[DWCP2]

Flip Murray according to rotoworld is said to be of interest for pro ball teams in Russia.

Now this leaves but 3 PG's available on the market and all via trade.

Stephon Marbury

Jamaal Tinsley

Luke Ridnour

Pargo's deal with the Spurs is almost there and Damon Stoudamire and Shaun Livingston are washed up.

Thoughts???

[greenway84]

what about damon staudimire, and mike wells

[Scoot McGroot]

Any undrafted guys or possibilities coming over from Europe? Any NBDL guys? There's always more than 3 options for PG's in the NBA.


Plus, there might only be about 3 or less holes at PG around the league right now. Most everyone seems comfortable with what they have.

[Indy07]

Just because there are 2 free agents plus tinsley does NOT mean that the PG market is limited to these three people. Many more pgs I'm sure could be had for cheap so do not automatically assume that just b/c the free agent market has dwindled for pgs that the overall market is just as slim

[MillerTime101]

Exactly the FA market is slim in almost every position, doesnt mean a whole lot IMO.

[CableKC]

DCWP2, unfortunately, Tinsley is the absolute last resort when it comes to teams looking for a PG..... Ridnour is probably the top PG that teams can go after since he's fairly serviceable and expires before the 2010-2011 offseason. Once Ridnour ( or Watson ) is off the market...then we maybe closer to moving Tinsley. I just hope that OKC doesn't move Ridnour to the Heat.

BTW...if the Heat get another PG then Tinsley....which seems likely....what other teams are out there that need a PG? Cavs?

BTW...I will add MoWilliams to the list of expensive PGs that is available.

[DWCP2]

Ridnour might be the best available, but everything I've read says a deal is merely heresay and nothing more. A simple reason, depth at 2 guard. OKC did complete a trade for Kyle Weaver who is a quality experienced combo guard in college, but as a 2nd round pick, does that really translate well into the pros?

Ridnour is the only true PG OKC has, I doubt they are going to simply be rid of him. Westbrook and Watson both can play and likely will play some SG this season given the depth issues.

Then you have Marbury, a giant 20 million expiring. Last thing I've read is that he will be bought out, but not likely until a month into the season. They don't have to trade or release him at all. They too can just simply send him home. You gotta wonder who's the bigger nutcase between Marbury and Tinsley as far as the eyes of GM's. Most fingers will point at Marbury leaps and bounds beyond Tinsley.

Then you have Tinsley, yes you have to use 2010 space to sign him. But look at the free agent market for the next two years at PG, also note that Tinsley come 2010 becomes a giant expiring himself. Are a lot of these teams expecting to just sign players with no happenstance of a sign and trade. I mean seriously think about that.

[Scoot McGroot]

Ridnour might be the best available, but everything I've read says a deal is merely heresay and nothing more. A simple reason, depth at 2 guard. OKC did complete a trade for Kyle Weaver who is a quality experienced combo guard in college, but as a 2nd round pick, does that really translate well into the pros?

Ridnour is the only true PG OKC has, I doubt they are going to simply be rid of him. Westbrook and Watson both can play and likely will play some SG this season given the depth issues.

Then you have Marbury, a giant 20 million expiring. Last thing I've read is that he will be bought out, but not likely until a month into the season. They don't have to trade or release him at all. They too can just simply send him home. You gotta wonder who's the bigger nutcase between Marbury and Tinsley as far as the eyes of GM's. Most fingers will point at Marbury leaps and bounds beyond Tinsley.

Then you have Tinsley, yes you have to use 2010 space to sign him. But look at the free agent market for the next two years at PG, also note that Tinsley come 2010 becomes a giant expiring himself. Are a lot of these teams expecting to just sign players with no happenstance of a sign and trade. I mean seriously think about that.

Yet Marbury is owed $20 million over only 1 year, while Tinsley is owed $24 million over 3 years. There's a big difference there. Marbury is much more talented, but also probably more of a chemistry issue, while Tinsley is much more of a legal issue.

If they're both bought out, it might be a toss up as to who's signed first. However, on the trade market, I'd have to think Marbury would be looked at as slightly more valuable simply because a team could dump more of their bad contracts in exchange for Marbury, and only have to deal with him for 1 year.

[DWCP2]

Ridnour might be the best available, but everything I've read says a deal is merely heresay and nothing more. A simple reason, depth at 2 guard. OKC did complete a trade for Kyle Weaver who is a quality experienced combo guard in college, but as a 2nd round pick, does that really translate well into the pros?

Ridnour is the only true PG OKC has, I doubt they are going to simply be rid of him. Westbrook and Watson both can play and likely will play some SG this season given the depth issues.

Then you have Marbury, a giant 20 million expiring. Last thing I've read is that he will be bought out, but not likely until a month into the season. They don't have to trade or release him at all. They too can just simply send him home. You gotta wonder who's the bigger nutcase between Marbury and Tinsley as far as the eyes of GM's. Most fingers will point at Marbury leaps and bounds beyond Tinsley.

Then you have Tinsley, yes you have to use 2010 space to sign him. But look at the free agent market for the next two years at PG, also note that Tinsley come 2010 becomes a giant expiring himself. Are a lot of these teams expecting to just sign players with no happenstance of a sign and trade. I mean seriously think about that.

Yet Marbury is owed $20 million over only 1 year, while Tinsley is owed $24 million over 3 years. There's a big difference there. Marbury is much more talented, but also probably more of a chemistry issue, while Tinsley is much more of a legal issue.

If they're both bought out, it might be a toss up as to who's signed first. However, on the trade market, I'd have to think Marbury would be looked at as slightly more valuable simply because a team could dump more of their bad contracts in exchange for Marbury, and only have to deal with him for 1 year.

Don't fool yourself Scoot, Tinsley is owed 21.4 million over 3 years, that's been reported for months.

And from 3 it's soon to be 2 if the deal goes down between the Bucks, OKC, and Cavs.

[Scoot McGroot]

Ridnour might be the best available, but everything I've read says a deal is merely heresay and nothing more. A simple reason, depth at 2 guard. OKC did complete a trade for Kyle Weaver who is a quality experienced combo guard in college, but as a 2nd round pick, does that really translate well into the pros?

Ridnour is the only true PG OKC has, I doubt they are going to simply be rid of him. Westbrook and Watson both can play and likely will play some SG this season given the depth issues.

Then you have Marbury, a giant 20 million expiring. Last thing I've read is that he will be bought out, but not likely until a month into the season. They don't have to trade or release him at all. They too can just simply send him home. You gotta wonder who's the bigger nutcase between Marbury and Tinsley as far as the eyes of GM's. Most fingers will point at Marbury leaps and bounds beyond Tinsley.

Then you have Tinsley, yes you have to use 2010 space to sign him. But look at the free agent market for the next two years at PG, also note that Tinsley come 2010 becomes a giant expiring himself. Are a lot of these teams expecting to just sign players with no happenstance of a sign and trade. I mean seriously think about that.

Yet Marbury is owed $20 million over only 1 year, while Tinsley is owed $24 million over 3 years. There's a big difference there. Marbury is much more talented, but also probably more of a chemistry issue, while Tinsley is much more of a legal issue.

If they're both bought out, it might be a toss up as to who's signed first. However, on the trade market, I'd have to think Marbury would be looked at as slightly more valuable simply because a team could dump more of their bad contracts in exchange for Marbury, and only have to deal with him for 1 year.

Don't fool yourself Scoot, Tinsley is owed 21.4 million over 3 years, that's been reported for months.

And from 3 it's soon to be 2 if the deal goes down between the Bucks, OKC, and Cavs.

Sorry, tried to type 21.4 and only 24 cam out on the keyboard.


However, if the Cavs get Mo Williams, it's pretty much just possibly Miami that could be looking at obtaining a PG. Sacramento seems to be happy sticking with Udrih and John Salmons at PG. I'm not sure Miami is willing to pay anything of value for Tinsley. Maybe either Banks or Blount as the key to the deal, but they're not giving up Haslem for Tinsley. If they do, they messed up.

[DWCP2]

If they can get Tinsley, expirings, and a future 1st out of Banks, Blount, and Haslem combined, I would fully believe that they will pull the trigger.

Doing so will give them all the pieces they need to return to glory.

1. A young SF to build on (the 2009 draft is supposedly full of them like last year.)

2. Max dollar to throw at a young big.

3. Full use of exceptions to help fill out the roster.

[bballpacen]

I just dont see the Tinman getting traded before the start of the season... Once the season is underway, and teams are able to see what is needed, then I bellieve that the market for JT will be there... I honestly will not be surprised in the least if he is a Pacer till closer to the deadline, and it will not be a lack of trying on the Pacers behalf...

[CableKC]

If they can get Tinsley, expirings, and a future 1st out of Banks, Blount, and Haslem combined, I would fully believe that they will pull the trigger.

Doing so will give them all the pieces they need to return to glory.

1. A young SF to build on (the 2009 draft is supposedly full of them like last year.)

2. Max dollar to throw at a young big.

3. Full use of exceptions to help fill out the roster.

Although I do applaud your belief and optimism that we can get something of value for Tinsley......I am not as optimistic in my opinion of what we will get for him. Realistically and metaphorically....he's the player with the longest "rap" sheet. As I mentioned before....Tinsley is the last resort for teams looking for a PG.....mainly because he has the longest list of "negatives" that any team would have to consider when moving him.

[Wizop]

Luke's gone and so is Mo even though he wasn't on the original list. does that make it two now?

[Bucky O'Hare]

Delonte West can probably take Luke Ridnour's place on the list.

[HicksvsKnicks08]

What kills me about the whole Tinsley thing is, he averaged 8.4 assists. I realise the other issues , but damn they take a chance on all these stiff 7 footers. I challenge anyone right now to make a list of teams, that currently JT is as good or better than their starting PG

Bet there are at least 15 teams!!!!!

[CableKC]

Delonte West can probably take Luke Ridnour's place on the list.

Yep....some team that needs a PG that can adequately run the show can offer him the full MLE. I'm guessing that Riley is calling up his agent now.

[DWCP2]

Delonte West can probably take Luke Ridnour's place on the list.

Yep....some team that needs a PG that can adequately run the show can offer him the full MLE. I'm guessing that Riley is calling up his agent now.

It's possible but not likely. Keep in mind there is a reason I keep restricted free agents from the list, otherwise Ben Gordon could be added. It's the simple fact that teams tend to hold on to these guys as bait to get a big talent in return.

[CableKC]

Delonte West can probably take Luke Ridnour's place on the list.

Yep....some team that needs a PG that can adequately run the show can offer him the full MLE. I'm guessing that Riley is calling up his agent now.

It's possible but not likely. Keep in mind there is a reason I keep restricted free agents from the list, otherwise Ben Gordon could be added. It's the simple fact that teams tend to hold on to these guys as bait to get a big talent in return.

I would include him in the list only becuase he is another PG that other teams would be interested in before even resorting to the Defcon 1 option of becoming interested in Tinsley.

All it would likely take would be the Full MLE for West....who wouldn't be as good of a PG as Tinsley ( skillwise ) but is more then serviceable as a solid rotational Guard, less of a risk financially due to Tinsley's injury past, a better defender and far more stable player on/off the court.

Giving him the MLE maybe slightly overpaying for a PG like West...but if I had the choice...I would much rather have West on my team then Tinsley.

In terms of PGs that are available to teams to acquire/sign/trade...one way or another.....I think that West is ahead of Tinsley.

Delonte
????
Marbury
Tinsley

Anyone else?

As for Gordon...I don't consider him a PG at all...so he's not on the list.

[Scoot McGroot]

Teams that might possibly need a PG:
Boston, Denver, Golden State, Houston, Minnesota, New Orleans (albeit only a backup), Orlando (albeit possibly just a platoon PG), Phoenix (albeit only a backup), Sacramento Kings, Washington Wizards

Of these listed teams, Boston, Denver, Golden State, Houston, Minnesota, Sacramento, and Washington really seem like they're happy with what they have. New Orleans, Orlando, Phoenix, and Washington have simply had absolutely no comments out there that they need a PG, but they all either seem about one deep at PG, or don't have a truly settled PG, but they're unlikely to view Tinsley as the answer.


Teams that do need a PG:
Miami


Once again, It's pretty much just Miami. However, we'll see what they'd ultimately offer for Tinsley, and we're not gonna like it. We won't get Haslem for Tinsley, and they're pretty loaded at the SF positions so Shawne Williams is NOT an incentive in anyway for Miami right now.