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Rasho to be packaged with Tinsley?

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Rasho to be packaged with Tinsley? 

Post#1 » by Bucky O'Hare » Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:08 am

With how rarely Rasho has been mentioned, and how confident management seems to be that Jamaal will be gone come the start of the season, what are the chances the team already has a deal in place the sends Rasho out with Jamaal not long after September 9th?

Perhaps something like Rasho/Jamaal to Miami for Haslem/Banks.
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Post#2 » by basketballwacko2 » Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:42 am

Could be we could also see Rasho, JT and Williams to Denver for Martin and Atkins. i think i'd rather do Rasho and jt for haslem and banks.
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Post#3 » by Charcoal Filtered » Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:58 am

We have alot of possibilities for trades with Tinsley and another player:

Rasho, Foster, Daniels, Williams, and Baston all could be packaged. We also have some wiggle room under the luxury tax threshold in order to take back more salary this year.

It is getting close to players reporting and will be intersting to see how this plays out.

Memphis has been rumored to be wanting to get rid of Darko. They also took on the horrible contracts of Jaric and Buckner in order to get Mayo. Williams is also went to college at Memphis St. Bird has always liked Walker. Count Obie as a fan. Memphis also has a surplus of point guards.

Somewhere in all that mess, there could be a deal with the Griz.
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Post#4 » by bballpacen » Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:25 am

I think that Denver is going to be the location for JT, and we will be getting back Martin... I hate the salary that we would be taking back, but I think that it is important to TPTB that we do not take back more years of salary as opposed to more money...

And I doubt that we are going to get involved with any deal in which Memphis is included... We have no need for another PG, and Darko is IMO no better than Rasho...
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Post#5 » by Bucky O'Hare » Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:48 am

I can't see our management touching Martin's horrific contract. 3 years, $46.6M. $15.5M per season.
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Post#6 » by FreeRon » Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:09 am

I can't see taking on Martin so soon after trading O'Neal. It would be the same situation. We want to rebuild, and if we can't do that with a guy like Jermaine we certainly can't with KMart. I suppose there may be some deal in place for Rasho and Tins, but I think the reason Rasho hasn't been mentioned so much is because he's been overseas and he's a one year rental. I've heard talk about four players. TJ, who was brought in to solve our PG problem, Jack, who was brought in to make sure we don't have the same problem should TJ go down, Rush, who Bird is very high on and wants for the future, and Hibbert, who we obviously think is going to be our C in the future and I personally think was a steal at 17. McRoberts and Baston were throw-ins to make deals work, and Rasho was valuable to us because of his expiring contract. You're just not going to hear a lot about guys who we only intend on keeping around for one year.
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Post#7 » by freeman » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:02 am

The Rasho and JT to Miami idea is better than the one involving the Nuggets. Nobody wants Martin's big contract. Plus, i don't see Martin as someone who can take over J.O.'s role. He's not gonna help us in any way.
On the other hand, Rasho's the best center in Indiana's current roster. I think it's gonna be a big big risk to deal him for someone who can't and will not provide immediate help. I'm thinking maybe Indiana could go into the season with this current roster, and see how everything works out.
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Post#8 » by Boneman2 » Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:55 pm

Maybe a deal w/ the Bucks, Charlie V. for Tins/Williams; or the Miami deal seems optimal.
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Post#9 » by mizzoupacers » Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:20 pm

I'm guessing Milwaukee is an unlikely destination for Tinsley, the Bucks are going to see what they have with Ridnour and Lue first.

Quite honestly, I don't know what other team we are going to foist Tinsley off on, and it is making me feel blue. :(

If Rasho is the sweetener required to get some other team to take bitter Tin, then I'm OK with that.
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Post#10 » by Gremz » Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:35 pm

I'm solid for a Martin deal, provided its Tins/Murph that get sent
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Post#11 » by Boneman2 » Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:45 pm

You never know Mizzou, from a talent level p.o.v. Tins is much better than either Lue or Ridnour. Both have been given ample oppurtunity to show they belong and have not produced nothing more than role-player stats. I guess the Bucks would have to be desperately in need of a pg. to want Tinsley though.
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Post#12 » by bballpacen » Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:11 pm

I too would prefer a deal with Miami, but honestly I just dont see one getting done... I am kind of on the fence as far as this Denver deal, but It does get us a legit PF and moves Tinsley... If it were Tins and Murph, sure no problem... but losing what financial flexibility we recently gained may be what it takes to move Tinsley...
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Post#13 » by mizzoupacers » Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:42 pm

Boneman2 wrote:You never know Mizzou, from a talent level p.o.v. Tins is much better than either Lue or Ridnour. Both have been given ample oppurtunity to show they belong and have not produced nothing more than role-player stats. I guess the Bucks would have to be desperately in need of a pg. to want Tinsley though.


You're right, who knows? And I agree that Tinsley is more talented than Lue or Ridnour. I'm guessing that those guys will have to be allowed to fail first before Milwaukee will be ready to think about Tinsley, but maybe they will fail fast enough for something to get done in time to impact the Pacers in 2008-09. :D
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Post#14 » by FreeRon » Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:14 pm

Rasho may be the best center on our team, but with Foster, Murphy, and Hibbert all playing the position I think we'd be fine. We have 4 C's (5 including Harrison, who we can assume won't be re-signed) and 4 PG's. I really don't like the idea of trading for Banks though. Right now we can assume our PG rotation will be TJ - Jack - Diener - Marquis (if needed), and while I like Banks's speed his talent level would put him at the #4 PG spot. We'd commit ourselves to a lot of money for a guy who wouldn't even play. We would get a PF, but I'd rather have TJ - Dun - Granger - Murphy - Rasho and tell Tins to stay home than have TJ - Dun - Granger - Haslem - Murphy and have Banks rotting. Haslem is not so much better than Murphy at PF that it's worth giving away an expiring contract and playing Murphy at C instead of Rasho.
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Re: Rasho to be packaged with Tinsley? 

Post#15 » by basketballwacko2 » Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:34 am

Charcoal Filtered wrote:We have alot of possibilities for trades with Tinsley and another player:

Rasho, Foster, Daniels, Williams, and Baston all could be packaged. We also have some wiggle room under the luxury tax threshold in order to take back more salary this year.

It is getting close to players reporting and will be intersting to see how this plays out.

Memphis has been rumored to be wanting to get rid of Darko. They also took on the horrible contracts of Jaric and Buckner in order to get Mayo. Williams is also went to college at Memphis St. Bird has always liked Walker. Count Obie as a fan. Memphis also has a surplus of point guards.

Somewhere in all that mess, there could be a deal with the Griz.


Buckners deal is not that bad. According to Shamsports, "the final two seasons are only partially guaranteed, to the tune of $1 million plus trade kicker of that amount in year 4 (total of $1,062,398) , and $1,064,516 in year 5. So basically the team can waive him before November 30th 2009 and pay only $2,126,914 for the final two years." I''d be willing to take Buckner and Walker in a deal considering the non guaranteed amounts involved.

Let''s say we move JT and Murphy to Denver for Martin and Atkins then trade Rasho and Williams for Walker and Buckner. We'd be taking too much salary from the Griz to make this work so we'd have to send them some filler, maybe Atkins to the Griz. We wind up with Walker, Buckner and Martin for JT, Murph, Rasho and Williams. I don't know if that is realistic or not, but we'd be out of cap hell after this season, cut Walker and cut or trade Buckner.
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Post#16 » by PR07 » Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:17 am

I'd move Tinsley and Murphy for KMART. Not Rasho's contract though, that would be a mistake.
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Post#17 » by Gremz » Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:10 pm

^^^What he said
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Post#18 » by JMillott » Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:05 pm

I think the Pacers would be better off simply buying out Jamaal Tinsley, in order to trade him they are either going to have to trade a decent asset or eat a contract that is as bad or worse or both.

I normally think its a bad idea simply bite the bullet and buy players out but I just can't picture anybody dealing for him at three years and 20 million dollars witout sending back trash or asking for a valueable piece for him.

If you can get the Heat to give up Marcus Banks and Mark Blount for Jamaal Tinsley and Rasho Nesterovic or Jeff Foster then maybe you do it. Obie is the last guy who got Mark Blount to play hard so maybe he can do it again but at the sametime he and Banks didn't see eye to eye here in Boston.
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Post#19 » by CableKC » Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:14 pm

I think that IF there was a trade of Tinsley to the Heat....which I find doubtful given their intention to make a run for a Top Tier FA in the 2010-2011 offseason....I suspect that the best deal that we could get would be Tinsley+Rasho for Banks+Blount. SalaryCap wise....it would only help the Heat by giving them more SalaryCap flexibility to play the 2009-2010 FA Market as well ( which I think they were plannning to do ) but will add to their SalaryCap Flexiblility in the 2010-2011 Offseason. But financially...for both teams....the amount of $$$ going out and coming in would be about the same.

Swapping out Blount for Haslem may make more sense as Haslem has more value for the Heat.

EDIT - what JMelliot said regarding Blount.
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Post#20 » by cdash » Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:30 pm

If we trade Tinsley+Rasho or Foster for Blount+Banks, I will commit a homicide. Besides getting rid of Tinsley, that trade just saddles us with bad contracts and a piss poor character guy. Blount didnt play hard for Obie, his style of chucking up threes just so happened to fit with Obie's freewheeling offense. I'd just assume buy out Jamaal than do a deal like that.
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