Warriors And Pacers Talking About Tinsley?

[Fordamania]

With the Ellis injury now being potentially season ending, or worse, it seems plausible. Baby Al has about 3/$30 left on his contract, assuming he accepts his player option in two offseasons.

Warriors And Pacers Talking About Tinsley?

Sep 05, 2008 9:31 AM EST

There have been rumors that the Warriors and Pacers are talking about a trade involving both Jamaal Tinsley and Al Harrington, according to Examiner.

Other players would have to be included in any deal as well, and Golden State could be interested in Marquis Daniels, who hasn't impressed in Indiana.

Don Nelson coached Daniels for two seasons in Dallas.

RealGM Note: Using RealGM's Trade Checker, the Pacers could ship Jamaal Tinsley and Marquis Daniels to the Warriors for Al Harrington and a player such as Brandan Wright or Anthony Randolph.

Via Examiner

[MUpacersSIC]

If we traded Tinsley and Daniels for Al and someone like Randolph or Wright that would be an absolute steal. It would be about a 1000 times better than anything I thought we could get. And if we got Randolph he could be a potential all-star (maybe one day?). If he bulks up and becomes a power forward, a roster of TJ, Rush/Dunleavy, Granger, Randolph, Hibbert looks like a very good future for the Pacers.

[gswhoops]

That article just said the Al + AR/BW for Tins + Daniels works under the Trade Checker....so does Danny Granger for Kosta Perovic.

You'd have to be giving us the incentive, or at the very least it would be a straight up Al/Tins swap. No way we're taking on that awful contract and giving up a cheap, promising young guy as well.

[Charcoal Filtered]

That article just said the Al + AR/BW for Tins + Daniels works under the Trade Checker....so does Danny Granger for Kosta Perovic.

You'd have to be giving us the incentive, or at the very least it would be a straight up Al/Tins swap. No way we're taking on that awful contract and giving up a cheap, promising young guy as well.

Exactly. The Warriors already have plenty of people that do the things Daniels does. He is not that great of player to justify Al for JT, let alone Wright or Randolph. Heck, the article should also bring up the fact that GS can also give the Pacers 3 #1's in the deal.

[count55]

I'll just copy my response from the PD discussion.

No way we get Wright. No way do we want Randolph.

I would do this trade but Pacer nation would have to accept Al as our starter. Anything less would not cut it for him.

Having Al in the starting lineup changes nothing for us. He can score low-post but doesn't do it. He can play solid perimeter defense, but doesn't do it. I for one think this is a cap move.

I can see us getting a future 2nd rounder though....wait it is Bird we are talking about.

I think the Wright or Randolph thing is pure "it works in the checker" stuff. Unless they think one or both is a bust, there's no way they end up in this deal. (However, see below.)

Al may get the nod at the 4, but we do not have to accept anything. Who cares what would cut it for him? He's welcome to opt out at the end of the year. If he doesn't, are we really in any worse shape having an unhappy Al than we are having Tinsley?

Makes sense. You trade a 3-year and a 1-year contract for a 2-year contract. Both teams can say they got cap relief. I can't imagine them including Randolph or Wright, though. That would be a steal for IND. EDIT: they're the only ones with salaries to make it work. Hope Indy doesn't have to add too much sweetener.

So far I'm ambivalent about Indiana's offseason, but that would make it a great one.

EDIT: Are we sure about Marquis being included? The trade right now is two bigs for two smalls... Jeff Foster seems more likely.

The speculation about Marquis is probably focused on the Don Nelson connection. Daniels had his greatest success under Nelson, and he's exactly the type of amorphic player that Nelson loves.

However, there are two reasons that Foster may be preferrable to Daniels for GS in this trade:

1) Pure on-the-court value (though they did just pick up Turiaf, who kinda fills the same role)

2) Cap Considerations: The only throw-in players who really make a Tinsley/Daniels swap work under the cap are Wright, Randolph, and Perovic. (Azuibuike would, too, but he's got a Trade Restriction due to his recent signing...maybe Dec 15?) I believe that Golden State might consider those guys too valuable for this particular package. However, with Foster only at $5.5mm, they could use a guy like CJ Watson (no clue how they feel about him) as filler.

If we could do a deal centering around Tinsley and Harrington, I'd certainly do it. I wouldn't want to give up Foster, but I wouldn't necessarily reject such a package out of hand...particularly if it would pry a prospect like Wright or Bellinelli (not particularly realistic) away.

BTW...Here is the Shamsports Warriors page. It shows that Al is owed $9226 this season, then has a player option for $10,026 for 2009-2010. That's 2/19. I can find nothing indicating a third year.

[greenway84]

Harrington for Tinsley, Shawne works. Unless they really want Daniels. They would give up less this way. Also everywhere I check it shows Al only having 2 years left. ESPN trade checker, Realgm trade checker, hoopshype, Shamsports. So does he have 2 or 3 years left. Link?

[Gremz]

Either or in my opinion, if we get Al for Tins without giving up too many assets i'm all for it.

[floppymoose]

Kosta is going overseas, freeing a roster spot and lux tax room. Ws could just pick Tinsley up after the buyout for almost nothing. The wiretap author is is pretty far off in the weeds.

[IndieRuso420]

If Larry pulls this off, I'll buy season tickets. What an off-season. We get rid of O'Neal and possibly Tinsley & Daniels and Bird turns that into Ford, Rasho, Hibbert, Baston, Jack, Rush, McRoberts, and brings back Harrington. That is a dream off-season for me.

I still don't think the Pacers are championship calibur team but adding Harrington I think could make this team a divison title contender.

[PR07]

That depends on how serious the Pacers are of not buying-out Tinsley. Knowing Bird's stubbornness, it could be a while.

I really don't see us getting Brandon Wright or Anthony Randolph. However, I think a trade of Tinsley+Daniels for Harrington+Perovic makes quite a bit of sense for both teams.

[realfung]

good

[StephenJackson]

If Larry pulls this off, I'll buy season tickets. What an off-season. We get rid of O'Neal and possibly Tinsley & Daniels and Bird turns that into Ford, Rasho, Hibbert, Baston, Jack, Rush, McRoberts, and brings back Harrington. That is a dream off-season for me.

I still don't think the Pacers are championship calibur team but adding Harrington I think could make this team a divison title contender.

I don't know about that. I don't think Harrington is going to make THAT big of a difference if we are to pick him up again. I'd be happy to give him yet another shot, but I don't really see him being any more of a presence than Murphy. Yes, Harrington can supply offense and energy when he wants to. But he won't rebound, and we need that from our 4.

[IndieRuso420]

If Larry pulls this off, I'll buy season tickets. What an off-season. We get rid of O'Neal and possibly Tinsley & Daniels and Bird turns that into Ford, Rasho, Hibbert, Baston, Jack, Rush, McRoberts, and brings back Harrington. That is a dream off-season for me.

I still don't think the Pacers are championship calibur team but adding Harrington I think could make this team a divison title contender.

I don't know about that. I don't think Harrington is going to make THAT big of a difference if we are to pick him up again. I'd be happy to give him yet another shot, but I don't really see him being any more of a presence than Murphy. Yes, Harrington can supply offense and energy when he wants to. But he won't rebound, and we need that from our 4.

So you would rather have Tinsley and Daniels? IMO neither one of those players are factors in the Pacers rotation this year, and if we can exchange them for Harrington, that's a definite improvement for this team. Harrington at least is a factor at a position of need and he can play some SF is Shawne continues to be a non factor.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

This would be amazing. Harrington would actually fit into our offense this year, with no JO, and a fast break team, he would thrive.

Now that being said, we aren't going to get Wright or Randolph unless we include Foster, but at the same time, they really don't need both of them. Even then, we'd have to include a 1st to get one of them, assuming Foster isn't included and go from there.

Man, Brandon Wright is going to be a star, but as useful as Tinsley would be to them, he still has negative value and we'd need to add a lot for Wright or Randolph. But I would propose to Bird if he somehow pulled it off.

[IndieRuso420]

This would be amazing. Harrington would actually fit into our offense this year, with no JO, and a fast break team, he would thrive.

Now that being said, we aren't going to get Wright or Randolph unless we include Foster, but at the same time, they really don't need both of them. Even then, we'd have to include a 1st to get one of them, assuming Foster isn't included and go from there.

Man, Brandon Wright is going to be a star, but as useful as Tinsley would be to them, he still has negative value and we'd need to add a lot for Wright or Randolph. But I would propose to Bird if he somehow pulled it off.

GSW aren't going to give up any young prospects in a deal. IMO we are the ones who need to give up a prospect. I also would rather not give up Foster. Tinsley/Daniels/Shawne or 09 top 10 protected, 2010 lottery protected, 2011 non protected 1st round pick for Harrington/Kosta.

[Hitman02]

So excited about this rumor, but I'm trying not to get my hopes up. I think getting Al back would be great, and he fills that "offensive PF" spot Larry said he was looking for. With Obie's system, he makes sense.

I doubt we're getting Randolph or Wright at all, which is fine because beggers can't be choosers. Having said that, if for some miracle we COULD get either of those two, I would feel like we won the lottery. I think Tinsley would play very well in GS with their offense. Maybe they're not confident in Williams to run the show after Ellis got hurt? (Weren't they going to play Ellis at the 1 a little?)

Also, does anyone think Shawne could be part of this? (IF it happens)

[Dcbaseballer52]

Kosta is going overseas, freeing a roster spot and lux tax room. Ws could just pick Tinsley up after the buyout for almost nothing. The wiretap author is is pretty far off in the weeds.

Not likely... we aren't going to buy him out, that has already been decided

This would be an absolute dream come true for me.... I HATED both times we traded away AL. Both times it was for dumb reasons and because he was our most attractive trade piece. Both times we traded him it was because of Stephen Jackson.

I have always liked Al as a starting PF... not a SF or a C

Tins+Quis for Al+ wright is not realistic... but say Tinsley+Williams +1st for Al+Wright and I am all for it

FORD/JACK/DIENER
DUNLEAVY/RUSH/DANIELS
GRANGER/GRAHAM/BASTON
HARRINGTON/WRIGHT/MCROBERTS
FOSTER/MURPHY/HIBBERT

Over the years we try to hang on to Ford, Rush, Granger, Harrington, Hibbert and Wright

would be something like
Ford/Diener
Rush/Jack
Granger/Graham
Harrington/Wright
Hibbert/Foster

[greenway84]

Actually I dont think GS will give up prospect either. I dont think Indiana will give up any more draft picks for Harrington either, but on the other hand we might give up a pick to ship out Tinsley.
Tinsley, Shawne for Harrington seems fair. Maybe throw in a future 2nd. Maybe. Now if they want Daniels I think they will have to send back a prospect or pick. I'm just doubtful that we will see another 6-8 player swap between the two of us again. They dont need or want Harrington. They need a pg, and Shawne would be bonus. For us it gives us a PF, rids ourselves of the last remaining headcases. And gets us down to 15.

[SuperReggie31]

Mike Wellls brought up some interesting points in his weekly blog about Nesterovic not being "updated" in the Pacersgear store. He woinders if he could be packaged in a potential deal.

http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/

[PR07]

No way I give up another first round pick for Harrington. We've been down that road before. No thanks.