Is anyone satisfied Ford's play so for ???

wenzi · Post #1 » by **wenzi** » Wed Dec 3, 2008 4:18 pm

I'm disappointed ......
I think he is better than calderon ........ :wink:

Post #2 » by **Miller4ever** » Wed Dec 3, 2008 5:23 pm

I still have yet to see him play a little more, but I think it's obvious that his performance directly affects our performance as a team.

Post #3 » by **PR07** » Wed Dec 3, 2008 6:02 pm

He has the speed and ball handling ability to get in the paint whenever he wants. It's just a matter of whether he can finish (which he's pretty good for his height) or make the right dish out when he gets close to this rim. In this regard, I see him as a poor man's Chris Paul which is a huge positive.

MillerTime101 · Post #4 » by **MillerTime101** » Wed Dec 3, 2008 7:36 pm

I think you mean - "IS" anyone satisfied.... :wink:

And yes I think he has played great so far. Calderon is playing hurt right now so its not fair to compare them at this point.

Legend Killer · Post #5 » by **Legend Killer** » Wed Dec 3, 2008 8:37 pm

Ford is the man...he's one of the fastest PG in the league & he can avg 15pts per game....He's way better than Calderon

MillerTime101 · Post #6 » by **MillerTime101** » Wed Dec 3, 2008 9:53 pm

Calderon was averaging 18pts 11ast before he got hurt. I love TJ but I think Calderon is the better player, I mean there is a reason Toronto kept Jose over TJ.

Also they played together last year and Jose won the starters job, that speaks volumes right there.

cdash · Post #7 » by **cdash** » Wed Dec 3, 2008 10:05 pm

"Also they played together last year and Jose won the starters job, that speaks volumes right there."

Thats not entirely accurate. TJ won the job at the beginning of the season, got injured, and then Calderon stepped in and the team started playing better. When TJ was healthy, they couldnt just bench Calderon because the team was playing so well, so it is not quite so cut and dry. With that being said, I agree that Calderon is probably the better player.

As for being satisfied with TJ's play so far this season, yeah, I am fine with it. I'm a little disappointed with his assist numbers and he doesnt create for other people quite as much as I thought he would before the season, but on the flip side, he's a better scorer than I thought he would be.

davitogreat · Post #8 » by **davitogreat** » Wed Dec 3, 2008 11:47 pm

MillerTime101 wrote:Calderon was averaging 18pts 11ast before he got hurt. I love TJ but I think Calderon is the better player, I mean there is a reason Toronto kept Jose over TJ.

Also they played together last year and Jose won the starters job, that speaks volumes right there.

That story is not entirely true. From what i heard and from a few news articles i saw it stated that TJ regularly outplayed calderon in team practises before he was hurt so that is why he always started. The raptors also kept Calderon not because he was necessarily better but because he was a safer option dew to TJ's injury risks.

davitogreat · Post #9 » by **davitogreat** » Wed Dec 3, 2008 11:49 pm

I would also say that i am satisfied with his play this season but i would expect better. His Fg percentage is a little too low though i am sure he will get better. I expect his assists to increase but i understand it will be tough for him to be hitting up to 9 assists per game with the way our offense is structured.

TJFordisGod · Post #10 » by **TJFordisGod** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 4:05 am

davitogreat wrote:
MillerTime101 wrote:Calderon was averaging 18pts 11ast before he got hurt. I love TJ but I think Calderon is the better player, I mean there is a reason Toronto kept Jose over TJ.

Also they played together last year and Jose won the starters job, that speaks volumes right there.

That story is not entirely true. From what i heard and from a few news articles i saw it stated that TJ regularly outplayed calderon in team practises before he was hurt so that is why he always started. The raptors also kept Calderon not because he was necessarily better but because he was a safer option dew to TJ's injury risks.

Exactly! Raptors were scared he would get injured so they traded ford instead. Stupid trade on the Raptors part. Calderon is not better than TJ Ford. He rarely attacks the basket, he cannot create his own shot and can barely create shots for others, and his defense is equivalent to a pylon. Only thing he has going for him is his wide open jump shot, and actually he has been struggling with that to lately.

Post #11 » by **Snayr** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 1:34 am

TJFordisGod wrote:
davitogreat wrote:
MillerTime101 wrote:Calderon was averaging 18pts 11ast before he got hurt. I love TJ but I think Calderon is the better player, I mean there is a reason Toronto kept Jose over TJ.

Also they played together last year and Jose won the starters job, that speaks volumes right there.

That story is not entirely true. From what i heard and from a few news articles i saw it stated that TJ regularly outplayed calderon in team practises before he was hurt so that is why he always started. The raptors also kept Calderon not because he was necessarily better but because he was a safer option dew to TJ's injury risks.

Exactly! Raptors were scared he would get injured so they traded ford instead. Stupid trade on the Raptors part. Calderon is not better than TJ Ford. He rarely attacks the basket, he cannot create his own shot and can barely create shots for others, and his defense is equivalent to a pylon. Only thing he has going for him is his wide open jump shot, and actually he has been struggling with that to lately.

Clearly you are a little biased based on your name lol. We didn't trade TJ because we were scared he would get injured again... sure that played a part in it, but that was NOT the sole reason. Jose Calderon came in and made the team run better, and got along very well with Chris Bosh. TJ Ford on the other hand was a little too shot happy, and I don't think Chris Bosh was overly happy with some of his decisions on the court. Also, when he came back from injury he just sulked at coming off of the bench. Ford was a little too much about getting his shot some games, than running the team whereas Calderon has always run the plays called out by the coach. This explains Calderons lack of driving as 7 times out of 10 down the floor Sam Mitchell would call out the same slow play (The pick and roll). With the coaching change now I expect to see Calderon utilizing the drive more often, as he is deceptively quick and a good finisher at the rim. As for his defense... I agree wholeheartedly.

TJFordisGod · Post #12 » by **TJFordisGod** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 4:51 am

davitogreat wrote:
MillerTime101 wrote:quote]

Clearly you are a little biased based on your name lol. We didn't trade TJ because we were scared he would get injured again... sure that played a part in it, but that was NOT the sole reason. Jose Calderon came in and made the team run better, and got along very well with Chris Bosh. TJ Ford on the other hand was a little too shot happy, and I don't think Chris Bosh was overly happy with some of his decisions on the court. Also, when he came back from injury he just sulked at coming off of the bench. Ford was a little too much about getting his shot some games, than running the team whereas Calderon has always run the plays called out by the coach. This explains Calderons lack of driving as 7 times out of 10 down the floor Sam Mitchell would call out the same slow play (The pick and roll). With the coaching change now I expect to see Calderon utilizing the drive more often, as he is deceptively quick and a good finisher at the rim. As for his defense... I agree wholeheartedly.

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lol yes i will admit i am a little biased when it comes to TJ Ford, but i do believe he runs the raptors better and ths is why.

2 seasons ago when TJ Ford got traded to Toronto, he ran the raptors amazing. He was able to break down the opposing defense and get open shots for guys like kapono, bargnani and parker. That is his best attribute, his ability to create shots for himself and others. In that season there was no doubt that TJ was the better PG than calderon. In his first season with Toronto, he helped lead them to the playoffs for the first time since like 2001 and helped lead them to a record tieing 47 win season. That season Bosh was also injured and TJ took it upon himself to be the leader on the floor and led them to big victories most noticeably the ones against portland and clippers on the road. Now do you think Jose will be able to lead the Raptors as well as TJ did that season? Time will tell.

Now last season, I believe that TJ started the season off playing at an all star level and the raptors got off to a pretty good start blowing out he nets and chicago on the road. And it was Doc Rivers who said TJ is the closest thing to Steve Nash i believe. Then yeah that season TJ got injured and Jose stepped up in his absense. He played well for sometime but hey, what player doesnt go on a hot streak. Now when TJ came back, he was asked to do something that he had never done before and that was come off the bench. I'll admit when he was trying to get back in rhythm he did get a bit shot happy at times, but people fail to understand how hard it is to come of the bench if you have never done it before in your career. Its a completely different tempo and is difficult on the player. He prefers to be the one setting the tempo while starting. I think the best thing the raptors could have done is kept TJ Ford and trade Calderon seeing as Calderons value was so high and they would have gotten a lot for him.

I think that people tend to focus on the negatives that TJ has done on the Raptors than the positives. And in my eyes, the positives completely outweigh the negatives. Why you ask? Because Tj Ford is God. Jk, I just think he has done so much good as a raptor, and he doesnt get the credit he deserves. O and as for Calderon utilizing the drive more with coach triano, I'M watching the raptors vs utah game right now, and he isn't doing it. But i guess its still a bit early and only time will tell. I think TJ fits in more with trianos style of coaching. But i wish the Raptors best of luck

EventHorizon · Post #13 » by **EventHorizon** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 5:58 am

Can we have TJ back? You can take JO and keep the pick.

Post #14 » by **Miller4ever** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 6:10 am

EventHorizon wrote:Can we have TJ back? You can take JO and keep the pick.

Too awesome.

CableKC · Post #15 » by **CableKC** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 6:24 am

I think it's safe to say that I am more satisfied with TJ Ford, Rasho and Hibbert on the Pacers roster then the Raptor Fans are with JONeal on their roster.

Kuq_e_Zi91 · Post #16 » by **Kuq_e_Zi91** » Sat Dec 6, 2008 6:34 am

I mean, let's make it clear it's not JO's fault for how Toronto is playing right now. He's trying really hard. He's rebounding and blocking shots pretty well. I feel bad his knee just isn't holding up. He's got heart though, continually coming back basically on one leg.

Still with that said, I'm happy with the trade. We needed to move on with JO and look at how much our point position has improved. Think about how we were starting Diener and Flip Murray last year. Let's not forget Rasho has been solid so far, and Hibbert is improving nicely.

I love Jermaine and thank him for his time here, but this trade gave us a direction when it looked like we were eternally stuck in neutral.