Will the Pacers ever get a Star Player

[celtspacers]

The Pacers need a star Player. They will never get one with Larry Bird running them his EGO is to big. all he wants is to make the playoffs. If they make the playoffs and get wacked in the first round thats ok with him. He can say i built a playoff team..He needs to figure it out its not about playoffs it's about CHAMPIONSHIPS. The Pacers need to let the rookies get playing time to learn the game. Miss the playoffs and get a top 5 draft pick.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Man, your making a lot of assumptions.

The simple fact is, no team in the NBA is going to be great every single year. Bird has done a great job rebuilding this team and its going to take time. Larry Bird is a Champion, he is not content with just the playoffs, the problem is, its not as easy as you make it sound.

If you don't consider Granger a star player, then there is a very, very small list of star players in the NBA. LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Amare, Kobe, Howard, Paul, Williams, and Rose? I mean, I'm sure I'm forgetting a few, but there isn't many stars out there, its not as easy as snapping your fingers. Hibbert, Granger, and Rush are the perfect core to eventually be a Championship team. I agree that we will need someone else, but even if we did tank(which we kinda are with Obie at coach anyway), we wouldn't get the #1 pick anyway. Stern hates the Pacers. I'm not into conspiracy theories or anything, but I honestly believe 100% that Stern hates the Pacers, he would never allow us to get the #1 pick.

Bird is doing a good job. He's giving us the talent for the future, and the coach to screw up our current team and get us more lottery picks. When Rush and Hibbert develope and O'Brien is fired, we will be in a good position.

[celtspacers]

I have to disagree with Bird doing a good job. If he was doing job so good. Why would he down grade Tinsley in public and make him untradeable unless you had to give up someone else to get rid of him. Also Can you tell me why he would trade someone he took in the first round for a late second round pick. . I don't want to hear the bad seed crap.

[cdash]

You act like star players grow on trees. Its not easy to get stars, contrary to what you may believe.

Bird isnt doing a bad job either. Him and Walsh together was a poor situation, but since he has taken over as "the man" hes made some pretty solid moves if you ask me. Not every team in the league is donated a superstar by a former player like the Celtics were.

He didnt downgrade Tinsley either. Anyone with a single iota of common sense knew that Tinsley wasnt going to be able to come back to Indiana, so him saying it out in public was just acknowledging the elephant in the room. He hasnt made Tinsley untradeable, Tinsley's contract, piss poor attitude, and propensity for getting injured has made him untradeable.

He traded Shawne Williams for much the same reason Tinsley has to go. I know you dont want to hear "the bad seed crap", but its true. As has been discussed ad nauseum around here, the fans had turned on the team and he had to clean up the image. Williams got in trouble multiple times off the court, so he had to go. He hadnt (and still hasnt) shown anything that made him look like he is going to be much more than a role player, so trading him for two second rounders wasnt a bad deal. Drafting him in the first place was the only questionable part.

[kdawg531]

I have to disagree with Bird doing a good job. If he was doing job so good. Why would he down grade Tinsley in public and make him untradeable unless you had to give up someone else to get rid of him. Also Can you tell me why he would trade someone he took in the first round for a late second round pick. . I don't want to hear the bad seed crap.

You're really not seeing the big picture.

[Miller4ever]

Will the Pacers ever get a star player?

I see you're a Celts/Pacers fan. No wonder it feels like the Pacers have no stars. The Celtics have three established ones already.

Granger is more than enough.

[chatard5]

It's tough for the Pacers to get a star player, being in Indiana and a small-market team. Honestly if I could sign somewhere, I would take a couple million less to play in New York or something (if I wasn't from Indy and didn't know how great it is ). We have to get our stars by draft. The only time I remember possibly getting a star was when we could've gotten T-Mac for Artest, Bender, and possibly someone else. That's when Bender was possibly the next superstar. At least Artest and Bender worked out well for us....

[Miller4ever]

Bender's doing more good in the world now than I think he could've as a player.

[DubaLakers]

Star player, ever heard of this kid that goes by the name of Granger, he's putting up numers like Marion used to, filling every category.

[chatard5]

What is Bender up to nowadays?

[Grang33r]

We got a guy by the name of Danny Granger. I heard he's pretty good. You may want to check him out one of these games.....

[Gremz]

We're fine atm. We've done the best with what we've had available. Granted there have been a few bad stories in the past few years, but our management have done enough to get the fans interested again, and that in itself could be our star.

[celtspacers]

Grangers not a star. He's a good player on a bad team. He cant handle the ball good enough.

[cdash]

Grangers not a star. He's a good player on a bad team. He cant handle the ball good enough.

He's a small forward. He doesn't have to handle the ball well.

[Miller4ever]

Is an all-star good enough to be a "star"? Because Danny Granger is an all-star. He does everything. He's got great range, passing, drives decently for how "bad" he handles, defends one-on-one, swats shots, rebounds on the inside, and basically is the star of this team at least. Sure, his stats might be inflated because he's had to take more offensive responsibility, but he has the IQ to constantly improve well into his late twenties, unlike other young players heralded as "stars" who depend wholly on athleticism.

Did I mention the man shoots free throws at Reggie Miller-like clips? Was Reggie not a star? He didn't put up huge stats. Hell, he didn't even always carry the team.

At the end of the game, not just Jim O'Brien, but many other coaches around the league, would like the ball to be in Granger's hands in the fourth quarter.

[JarrettJackSG]

uhh...

somehow, i'm pretty sure that people think that granger is a second tier star...

not good enough to be a first banana. we are still lacking our first banana, which we can't get unless we tank it up.

[Miller4ever]

Anybody here think that Reggie Miller was a superstar in his day?

Nobody thought he was then. Reggie's game points towards "career support player" because his defense was limited, although he did what he could as a lanky, slightly awkward player, and his offense wasn't a broad spectrum like MJ, Kobe, AI, T-Mac, etc. He shot jumpers with accuracy, and he drew fouls. Rik Smits was in a similar place. He wasn't Shaquille O'Neal. He was a good center with a little range. He didn't rank among the Bill Waltons and Kevin McHales in white center awesomeness by popular opinion, and his game didn't do much to change that opinion.

Danny Granger is getting the ability to take over a game. He has the will, and most players can't develop like him, but because of his learning and hard work, he is one of the few guys I could see making himself into a star.

[MillerTime101]

Danny Granger may not yet be a star but he is well on his way, its just his fourth year and he is already 5th in the NBA in scoring and is a great defender. I dont know what you want but alot of franchises would kill to have a player of Grangers talents, I really dont see your point at all.

A general rule for fourms is if everyone disagrees with you, you are probably wrong, I think that plays true in this thread.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

uhh...

somehow, i'm pretty sure that people think that granger is a second tier star...

not good enough to be a first banana. we are still lacking our first banana, which we can't get unless we tank it up.

I'm going to disagree here. I understand why people were saying he was a second banana player in past years, but I think this year he has certified himself as a star. Other coaches are talking about how its hard to stop him. Anytime other coaches are saying your a hard player to guard, it means they have gone out of their way to set up a defense to guard him, that alone makes him a star in my opinion.

He is averaging 23/24 points per game, and he has just added a very good passing attack to his game. I'm still not sure where that came from, but the last 7 or so games, hes made some excellent passes. All in all, anyone who commands the defense to adjust to him, still puts up 23/24 points per game, gets his teammates involved, and is a great defender, is a star. The second banana thing made since last year, I think he should have shed that imagine this year though.

Obviously, we still need another player to put next to him, another 1st option player would be great. But just because Pipper was next to Jordan, didn't mean he was a second banana player.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

uhh...

somehow, i'm pretty sure that people think that granger is a second tier star...

not good enough to be a first banana. we are still lacking our first banana, which we can't get unless we tank it up.

I'm going to disagree here. I understand why people were saying he was a second banana player in past years, but I think this year he has certified himself as a star. Other coaches are talking about how its hard to stop him. Anytime other coaches are saying your a hard player to guard, it means they have gone out of their way to set up a defense to guard him, that alone makes him a star in my opinion.

He is averaging 23/24 points per game, and he has just added a very good passing attack to his game. I'm still not sure where that came from, but the last 7 or so games, hes made some excellent passes. All in all, anyone who commands the defense to adjust to him, still puts up 23/24 points per game, gets his teammates involved, and is a great defender, is a star. The second banana thing made since last year, I think he should have shed that imagine this year though.

Obviously, we still need another player to put next to him, another 1st option player would be great. But just because Pipper was next to Jordan, didn't mean he was a second banana player.