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I'm interested to see what you guys would like to see as a potential starting lineup for the future. If not anything else, should be an interesting fantasy.
I was talking to DGrangerX33 when he came up with an idea that i really liked, which was a potential quality starting defensive 5, much like the one Detroit has used to success in it's recent history. It involves only a couple of addition to our young core. A potential trade with Chicago at some point, and a move for Monroe in the draft

PG- Kirk Hinrich
SG- Brandon Rush
SF- Danny Granger
PF- Greg Monroe
Cc- Roy Hibbert

Thought? Opinions? Other Line-ups?

I like everything except for mediocre Kirk Hinrich.

I don't think we would trade for Hinrich. T.J Ford is still young (I think he's like 26) and his numbers are better than Hinrich's. I think we're one PF and about two years of development before we are seriously able to contend.

defensive? nothing about our team screams defensive.

pg: offensively minded
sg: offensively minded with dun dun, defensively with rush, and everyone knows i have no faith in rush.
sf: balanced (although granger leans to the offensive side of the ball)
pf: we have none yet, but monroe is offensively midned
c: hibbert is offensively minded (check the rebounding and blocking numbers)

To clarifiy, to build a defensive team, we'd have to draft thabeet (probably top 10 weakside defender when he comes into the l), trade hibbert for a defensive pf, and hinrich is an SG with PG skills, and isn't that good of a defender. The best thing we can do is run a hybrid offense full of half court and full court sets with our team.

Drafting Greg Monroe is my best case scenario. I really don't think we'll have the pick to get him though, unless we get lucky in the draft. I also agree that Ford shouldn't be the future PG of the Pacers, though I don't think Hinrich is either.

If we could somehow land Greg Monroe, I think we'd be right up there with Portland of teams with the brightest future. A Granger, Rush, Hibbert, and Monroe core would be very, very nice for the future. In fact, it would probably become my all time favorite Pacers team.

AHahhahhahshfahwehasdfhahhahhahah rush part of our core and TJ not part of core.

ford (25)> bayless (20)/blake/sergio (22)
rush(23) <<<<<< roy (24)/Rudy Fernandez(23) (rush can't outplay rudy)
granger(25) >>>>>> webster(22)/outlaw(24)/batum (20)
monroe(18) <<<<< aldridge (23)
hibbert (22)<< oden (21)

i don't see it being close, not to mention that portland is younger than our team by a lot. if granger is part of our core, tj is, as they are the same age, still have the same potential to improve, and worth well together as a team. i'm sick of people under-rating tj and overrating Rush on this board.

darkflashfox wrote:AHahhahhahshfahwehasdfhahhahhahah rush part of our core and TJ not part of core.

ford (25)> bayless (20)/blake/sergio (22)
rush(23) <<<<<< roy (24)/Rudy Fernandez(23) (rush can't outplay rudy)
granger(25) >>>>>> webster(22)/outlaw(24)/batum (20)
monroe(18) <<<<< aldridge (23)
hibbert (22)<< oden (21)

i don't see it being close, not to mention that portland is younger than our team by a lot. if granger is part of our core, tj is, as they are the same age, still have the same potential to improve, and worth well together as a team. i'm sick of people under-rating tj and overrating Rush on this board.

Ford is obviously apart of the core now, but I said I don't think he should be the future PG of the Pacers. He is too inconsistent and dissappears far too much. I'd prefer having a defensive minded PG who can hit the 3 and pass the ball, much like Billups.

Also, I never said we'd be as good as the Blazers right away, they have expierience now. I think we would be built like that though, I know you don't like Rush, but I feel he has a very bright future. I think Monroe could be better than Aldridge in time, and while Hibbert won't be as good as Oden, I think he has the skills defensively to slow him down.

Rush won't be as good as Roy obviously, but I think he could play a Tayshaun Prince like role on this team. I think Rush could be better than Prince though. I really don't know how we could get a PG like I described, but I really don't think TJ is the answer like everyone else does.

Really? You are going to call Ford out on that when Granger has the some problems? It's hard to find Billups like PG's, you need to find someone with very big size for a PG or has long arms. Maybe we could find one late in the draft but he will be a very poor man billups at best.

By the time we are peaking and our players are in their primes the Blazers should be getting their growth spurts, they are already the better team now, I don't see us being better than them in a few years. By the time they reach their primes our players will be exiting their primes.

Prince is a great player and his defense is a result of his long arms, something that Rush doesn't have, he has more of a quickness and ball hawking type of defense. Rush is the better shooter though.

Monroe has the skills to be better than Aldridge, but then again Aldridge is still growing and is playing like David West even though he is much younger. Monroe has work ethic issues and seems to be more of an athlete. I can see that happening.

Roy can bother Oden, for sure, but Roy needs to beat Oden on offense, not defense. Roy's ability to score over everyone is a great asset.

Granger doesn't have the same problems. You don't average 25 ppg while being inconsistant and dissappearing. Granger is a good defender too, Ford really isn't.

I agree, it wouldn't be easy to find a Billups like PG, but I'd be fine with a big defensive PG who can take care of the ball.

I don't agree abou Monroe's work ethic anymore, I might have at the start of the year, but he has shattered that imagine while with the Hoyas. A Hibbert and Monroe would be such an amazing front court. With a Hibbert/Monroe front court with Granger and the potential Rush has, we would have a very nice future.

Here's the problem. Hibbert operates well on the mid to high post, and thats where Monroe works out the best as well. Both are great a few feet away from the basket and not deep at the basket, and the both possess the same moves (great hooks, decent shots). They may not be able to coexist offensively. However, I am hopeful since I think Monroe is exclusively left handed (I don't think UConn even tried to force him right), and roy is a lot stronger on the right hand.

Granger has been known to disappear for stretches in a game, it was a real problem last year, and while it hasn't happened as often it still has happened this year.

darkflashfox wrote:Here's the problem. Hibbert operates well on the mid to high post, and thats where Monroe works out the best as well. Both are great a few feet away from the basket and not deep at the basket, and the both possess the same moves (great hooks, decent shots). They may not be able to coexist offensively. However, I am hopeful since I think Monroe is exclusively left handed (I don't think UConn even tried to force him right), and roy is a lot stronger on the right hand.

Granger has been known to disappear for stretches in a game, it was a real problem last year, and while it hasn't happened as often it still has happened this year.

I think both have a decent enough shot to balance the other one out and play off eachother perfectly. Both have the potential to be good defenders as well. I think they'd be great together, and throw in Murphy who is the polar opposite of both and we have a good 3 man rotation for our bigs. I'm not sure where that leaves Foster if Monroe were to actually play here.

Granger hasn't disappeared much at all this year, though he did a lot last year. Even if he has disappeared in games this year, which I haven't noticed, its absolutely nothing like the way Ford has. Ford disappears for games at a time, Granger at most last season, disappeared for quarters.

Which is kind of funny since TJ usually has the me against the world mentality and is usually fearlessly driving and sometimes fearlessly shooting.

Ford is not a good fit on this team. He needs the ball to be effective, and he can't finish around the bucket like other little guys. AI, CP3, Parker, Nash... all can score amongst the trees in the lane. T.J. routinely gets blocked w/o initiating enough contact to warrant a foul. I wish he would, b/c he's 93% from the FT line, and 9/10 is much more helpful than 3/3.

If T.J. can't figure out how to do that, his speed is pretty much negated, b/c he has a shaky jumper and even shakier 3-ball. I'd really like to see him and Rasho run some Pick-n-Roll/Pop on the 2nd unit.

Future 5: Jack, Rush, Granger, B.J. Mullens, Hibbert

Mullens is the Wild Card, but I think he has loads of potential.

Hey, I just noticed. No one picked Erazem Lorbek or that other 2nd-rounder... No faith guys???

Mullens is a center. Jack is not the future. Go fish.

cdash wrote:Mullens is a center. Jack is not the future. Go fish.

*clap clap clapclapclap*

Also uh he ahd some good and 1's today.

cdash wrote:Mullens is a center. Jack is not the future. Go fish.

I wasn't saying I think Jack is the future PG for our team. I was simply saying I'd prefer him to Ford and that I wouldn't mind a defensive PG like him.

I'd rather have Jack as a backup in the future than Ford as a starter, is that a better way of putting it?

I think he was refering to ajizzle's post

Yeah, I was referring to ajizzle's post.