OT-Bayless watch

JarrettJackSG · Post #1 » by **JarrettJackSG** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:29 am

So I finally decided to start watching some Blazer games..and Bayless was running the point. Against the Nets, he was guarded by Dooling and Harris at times.

From what I can see of Bayless, I would love him to be on our team in the final 3 minutes. What a unbelievable talent to get to the rim. His explosiveness and quickness are amazing, and he rarely looks to be out of control. He can draw so many fouls and is basically the "good" jack we see, minus the jumpers and plus some great penetration.

I don't know if you are like me, and yell at the Pacers to penetrate late at games to make our outside shots easier or to get us higher percentage shots or get to the line, but if you are, then we missed Bayless. He would have been a great 1-2 guard. His PG skills need some work, but they are definitely on par as a backup level PG at this point.

Post #2 » by **Grang33r** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:46 am

It's all a moot point. Because, Portland has much better talent then the Pacers do right now. We don't have a LaMarcus Aldridge on our team. Brandon Roy is just as good as Granger i think. But they have a very good defensive team and have a number of scorers.

Pacers PG struggle because the talent on our team is below average. I would not mind mind the Pacers to draft a PG in the near future, even in next summer's draft, but i still stick with our deal. We got Brandon Rush, we got Jarrett Jack and we got Josh McRoberts. And also we got rid of Ike Diogu, who saves us a little bit of money but he was dead space.

The jury is still out on Bayless. I do think he will become a good pro but i also like the potential of Brandon Rush. I mean, how can you knock Rush's game and not Bayless? He's been just as disappointing statistically as Rush. In Bayless' last game, he played 25 minutes and shot 1-11 for 5 points. And had 0 assists. I'm not NBA expert, but 0 assists by a PG isn't usually a good sign.

JarrettJackSG · Post #3 » by **JarrettJackSG** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:55 am

Bayless is not a PG. He is a SG. This is same situation as JarrettJack is in. HIs height screams PG (Jason Terry, Ben Gordon), but he is really an SG with some PG skills. I forgot to mention that yes, having Roy is helping Bayless penetrate, and yes, the shooters that Portland has plays well to Bayless' ability to penetrate, but he is great penetratior. That much is evident by how many people he is playing tonight.

In addition, Bayless is showing more than Rush. I haven't seen Rush give a breakout game yet. Rush's three's aren't falling, and he's been a bit confused.

I will fully judge Rush after 3 seasons, this is the same amount of time that it took Foye and Bargnani to break out. But I am surprised, Bayless has NBA-ready penetration. I would love for the ball to be in his hands for a crunch time drive. He will get a foul or a good look.

(I must admit his defense is a bit on the poor side)

Post #4 » by **Grang33r** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:00 am

I should have checked today's scoreboard before i made that post. I didn't realize he was having a career night tonight. lol. The rest of my post is as goes though.

cdash · Post #5 » by **cdash** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:09 am

Woulda, coulda, shoulda. It doesnt benefit us at all to discuss this. The deal is done and he is a Blazer, and Jack/Rush are Pacers.

I am not completely sold on our PG situation. If by some miracle we got the #2 pick in the draft, and assuming it was Blake Griffin who went #1, I would be pulling for us to draft Ricky Rubio. Dude is sick.

Post #6 » by **PR07** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:16 am

It's really hard to compare the two at the moment as to who will become the better pro. Jamaal Tinsley looked like he had the makings of a franchise PG his rookie season, but things didn't really progress for him the way Pacer fans initially anticipated.

I still think Brandon Rush is a solid pickup for this team. I think he could be the perfect compliment to Granger on the wings in that he has the makings of an exceptional defender and shooter. You don't necessarily need another dominate the ball scorer next to Granger.

Post #7 » by **Grang33r** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:21 am

cdash wrote:Woulda, coulda, shoulda. It doesnt benefit us at all to discuss this. The deal is done and he is a Blazer, and Jack/Rush are Pacers.

I am not completely sold on our PG situation. If by some miracle we got the #2 pick in the draft, and assuming it was Blake Griffin who went #1, I would be pulling for us to draft Ricky Rubio. Dude is sick.

Excellent post.

Post #8 » by **Gremz** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:28 am

I'm very intrigued with the Bayless situation. I'm aware he's a quality guy with the ball in his hands. Since his Arizona days i remember him being someone who was usually in control, and as you mentioned, was more than adequate at getting to the rack.

I do agree with your point about him being more a SG than PG, but he should be a good combo guard none the less. I might hold judgment until i can see him do it consistently for 25-30 mpg.

He is still incredibly raw IMO, and has a lot of potential to show, but i'd like to see him perform in a few games against the toughest of the West.

JarrettJackSG · Post #9 » by **JarrettJackSG** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:38 am

PacersRule07 wrote:It's really hard to compare the two at the moment as to who will become the better pro. Jamaal Tinsley looked like he had the makings of a franchise PG his rookie season, but things didn't really progress for him the way Pacer fans initially anticipated.

I still think Brandon Rush is a solid pickup for this team. I think he could be the perfect compliment to Granger on the wings in that he has the makings of an exceptional defender and shooter. You don't necessarily need another dominate the ball scorer next to Granger.

I do agree that we do not need another person to dominate the ball next to Granger, however, we are 14th in the league in fouls drawn, while we are 29th or 30th in fouls given up, we have a 2.64 foul differential, something that Bayless would definitely help us in.

To address Bayless' 1-11 shooting night, a large chunk of those shots were perimeter shots, in today's game we saw him attack the rim, resulting in what you see tonight. He missed all of his non paint shots tonight. I must say that his driving ability is something that we really could have used in the close losses.

This could be seen as a knock on Granger not driving, he tends to settle for jumpers too much, but hey, he makes those. Dun-dun slashes on our team, so maybe we were missing that for our team. TJ was out too, we missed his slashing. But Bayless has NBA level slashing, that is for sure.

Kuq_e_Zi91 · Post #10 » by **Kuq_e_Zi91** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:45 am

cdash wrote:Woulda, coulda, shoulda. It doesnt benefit us at all to discuss this. The deal is done and he is a Blazer, and Jack/Rush are Pacers.

I am not completely sold on our PG situation. If by some miracle we got the #2 pick in the draft, and assuming it was Blake Griffin who went #1, I would be pulling for us to draft Ricky Rubio. Dude is sick.

Pretty much this. Bayless is what could have been. My team is on the floor and I'm looking forward to watching Rush grow into a cornerstone of this team.

writerman · Post #11 » by **writerman** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:48 am

I watched Bayless on draft night, and he just oozed sh*tty attitude. There may be a lot of talent there, but you can say the same about Tins. I for one am extremely glad Bayless is not on our roster. We just got rid of/dealt with our jackasses. We don't need another one.

JarrettJackSG · Post #12 » by **JarrettJackSG** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:55 am

writerman wrote:I watched Bayless on draft night, and he just oozed sh*tty attitude. There may be a world of talent there, but I for one am extremely glad he's not on our roster. We just got rid of our jackasses. we don't need another one.

Lets say you are Bayless. All month you have been hearing top 4 pick guaranteed, the OKC will most likely take you. Draft day comes, you fall all the way to 11. I don't know about you, but I would be pretty upset that I fell. Btw, you also just lost 1.5 million to 2 million dollars per season, before taxes. Lets also say that you were thinking that you were going to play for Durant and Green while starting, and instead you get stuck with Granger, and Ford/Dun ahead of you on the depth chart. I

4th pick's contract: $3,493,680
11th pick's contract: $1,993,560

I wonder what happens when they pick up your 3/4th year option.

4th pick: $4,017,720/$5,082,415
11th pick: $2,292,600/$3,042,280

Post #13 » by **Miller4ever** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:53 am

Can somebody refresh my memory really quickly and recap the trade we made involving Bayless?

cdash · Post #14 » by **cdash** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:58 am

Miller4ever wrote:Can somebody refresh my memory really quickly and recap the trade we made involving Bayless?

We drafted Bayless and traded him for Josh McRoberts and change.

Post #15 » by **PR07** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:14 am

We traded the rights to Bayless as well as Diogu for the rights to Brandon Rush, Jarrett Jack, and Josh McRoberts.

Post #16 » by **Miller4ever** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:17 am

Josh McRoberts is an integral part of our all-white lineup.

Diener
Dunleavy
Murphy
McRoberts
Foster

So trading Bayless was worth it. End of story.

EDIT*: Complete joke.

FreeRon · Post #17 » by **FreeRon** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:18 am

I'm going with writerman. Even in predraft interviews I thought Bayless was a jerk. As to during the draft, offer me a $5 million contract and then after I sign it bring back another contract for only $2 million and see if I'm a jerk about it. He's set for life, and if he's as good as he thinks he is he'll make huge money as a free agent. He should be happy about a smaller contract...it's less money he can spend on marijuana to carry around at a night club at 3 am.

chatard5 · Post #18 » by **chatard5** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:06 pm

We are scoring plenty of points. We need to start playing DEFENSE! The games wouldn't be close in the end if we could actually play some D. I realize we are fast-paced and all that, but still, our defense has been just awful.

JarrettJackSG · Post #19 » by **JarrettJackSG** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:33 pm

FreeRon wrote:I'm going with writerman. Even in predraft interviews I thought Bayless was a jerk. As to during the draft, offer me a $5 million contract and then after I sign it bring back another contract for only $2 million and see if I'm a jerk about it. He's set for life, and if he's as good as he thinks he is he'll make huge money as a free agent. He should be happy about a smaller contract...it's less money he can spend on marijuana to carry around at a night club at 3 am.

You have no talent to be worth 2 million. Different mentality. Somehow I would highly doubt you would keep this cool about losing so much money either.

Bayless never had any attitude problems in Arizona, even with the whole "is olsen here or going" thing.

JarrettJackSG · Post #20 » by **JarrettJackSG** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:51 pm

Double post I know, but this deserves it's own post.

He came off the bench behind Rodriguez, but he was on the floor for the final 9:08 of a fourth quarter in which he scored 11 of Portland's 37 points.

It was an overall performance so rock-solid and steady (6-for-9 from the field, 11-for-11 from the line) that McMillan said he'll consider moving Bayless into the starting five Saturday for Portland's final stop on this four-game road trip, in Charlotte.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime ... ime-090116

I would sure love him to be a crunch time guy for us.