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We all painfully know that we need an athletic PF. But who could we actually get our hands on that fits that description. I put together a list of PF/C that we MAY be able to obtain through trade.
Sean Williams
Stromile Swift
Al Harrington
Samuel Dalembert
Marreese Speights
Tyrus Thomas
Joakim Noah
Charlie Villanueva
Boris Diaw
Udonis Haslem
Carl Landry
Hakim Warrick
Darrell Arthur
Chris Wilcox
Channing Frye
Shelden Williams

In addtion to that list I'll add possible rookies
Blake Griffin
Greg Monroe
Jordan Hill
Earl Clark

Now do an y of these players help us? Are any of them obtainable? If yes to both, what can we offer?

I personally am not at all against trading all three of our picks this year. It's no secret that once you get past the top 5 guys in the draft it's fairly sad. Also I don't think a rookie is our answer. With the Griffin exception. I think we need an NBA proven player.

From your list I like,

Tyrus Thomas
Charlie Villanueva
Udonis Haslem
Carl Landry
Channing Frye

I like these bigs, I think they'd compliment the ones we have, most could be had at a reasonable price. Carl Landry could be had for filling a need for the rockets, I think Tyrus could be grabbed as an RFA. Charlie might be unavailable noW that the bucks are improving but I like him. I am sure Pat Riley would move Haslem, he likes making deals, and I am not sure how Channing Frye would be available but he had a lot of potential at one point.

In addtion to that list I'll add possible rookies
Blake Griffin
Greg Monroe
Jordan Hill

I'd like to draft any of the 3 above as well.

I think we'll do better with a more athletic 4/5 who jumps and plays D. H has to be able to face up as well. Watching a highlight video of Jordan hill I saw him use a move that reminded me of the old days when JO was mobile.

I am sure Greg Monroe and Blake Griffin are good also though I haven't seen them, just read about them.

Ship me any of the above for any combo involving Droopy, Quisy, Rasho, and any of our draft picks.

i have been a fan of Frye as well. I expected more from him at this point though. I think with Aldridge there I think Frye could be had for someone like Daniels. I would love Landry here, but I think with recent injuries he has shown his value to the rockets. Charlie V, I agree with you that he may be harder to grab. Tyrus makes me nervous, seems a little unstable, and maybe the type of player that doesn't play to his full potential. I still think Haslem could be had from Miami. He's a little lack luster to me, but would help.

Carl Landry would be really good. Anybody like Hakim Warrick? He brings the athleticism we need, and he'd be nice coming off the bench.

warrick is nice but he doesnt seem to have a high iq and hes not exactly a young pup. but i do like him for cheap. i think we would be best off trying to land landry. i dont know what we could offer though.

Landry will be near impossible to get unless we maybe absorb some bad contracts...lets see if they want to jet T-Mac...but by then we're gonna lose some contracts... I wonder if we can get more expiring...

Sean Williams
Stromile Swift
Tyrus Thomas
Joakim Noah
Charlie Villanueva
Boris Diaw
Udonis Haslem
Carl Landry
Hakim Warrick
Chris Wilcox
Channing Frye
Shelden Williams

These are the ones I like and are obtainable.

Out of that list:

Mareese Speights
Charlie Villanueva
Udonis Haslem
Tyrus Thomas
Channing Frye

jump out at me.

PacersRule07 wrote:Out of that list:

Mareese Speights
Charlie Villanueva
Udonis Haslem
Tyrus Thomas
Channing Frye

jump out at me.

+1

cdash wrote:

PacersRule07 wrote:Out of that list:

Mareese Speights
Charlie Villanueva
Udonis Haslem
Tyrus Thomas
Channing Frye

jump out at me.

+1

Thomas not so much. I think from this list Haslem and Frye are the most realistic options.

Frye is very attainable I think. I'm not wild about him, but I think if he were given some minutes, that he could do some nice things. Isn't he a free agent to be as well?

I agree, Thomas is my least favorite from that list, and I dont see Philly dealing Speights. Villanueva probably could have been had before Redd went down, now I dont see them trading him.

I really like Charlie V and I think he fits perfectly in our system because of his good inside and outside game. The only thing I dont like is his lack of defense but that probably also fits perfectly in our system.

Out of that list the one player i would love to have would be Speights. I love his game, and I believe will be a very good player in this league. He would go nicely with Hibbert, Speights, Granger, Rush, and Ford. I wouldn't mind any of the draft players listed. Just my thoughts.

Of the list of Big Men that is provided, I doubt that we can make any type of trade for the already signed players much less ones that have value ( as in quality skilled prospects that Teams aren't looking to move or Players with Contracts that expire before the 2010 Offseason...which has significant value to that Tam and limits who they take back in any trade ). The only players that we could make any type of FA bid on are the fringe FA Big Men that not everyone is knocking down doors to acquire or pursue in a trade next offseason:

Sean Williams
Stromile Swift
Channing Frye
Shelden Williams

All are players that I think their respective Teams aren't looking to keep and could be had for a price that we could likely afford. However, that doesn't mean that I would want them.....the only Big Man that I would probably consider ( assuming that JO'B and his "high Basketball IQ" defense is stil here ) is Channing Frye. Sean Williams and StroSwift maybe the Athletic/Rebounding/Shotblocking PF that we are looking for....but I don't get the sense that they have high Basketball IQs ( a requirement for JO'Bs defense ). Frye isn't exactly the Shotblocking Presense that we are looking for....but he's a decent rotational Big Man that won't likely command a huge pricetag and is decent enough to warrant playing behind Murphy and next to Hibbert and Foster. As for Sheldon Williams....I'm not entirely impressed by him nor do I think that he fits what we are looking for.

The rest of the Players ( for one reason or another ), we wouldn't be able to acquire or sign for a price that we can afford to pay:

Al Harrington ( 2009-2010 Expiring Contract, the Knicks won't take back any bad
contracts )
Samuel Dalembert ( unless we dump Tinsley or involve Murphy or Dunleavy in any trade, we would go over the Luxury Tax for the foreseeable future if we were to acquire him )
Marreese Speights ( Prospect that I doubt the Sixers want to part with )
Tyrus Thomas ( If the Bulls move him, they will want something of value in return )
Joakim Noah ( If the Bulls move him, they will want something of value in return )
Charlie Villanueva ( On the Trading Block, but what do we have that the Bucks would want? )
Boris Diaw ( Bad contract )
Udonis Haslem ( 2009-2010 Expiring Contract )
Carl Landry ( Already signed )
Hakim Warrick ( If the Grizzlies move him, they will want something of value in return )
Darrell Arthur ( If the Grizzlies move him, they will want something of value in return )
Chris Wilcox ( If the Thunder move him, they will want something of value in return )

Let's be clear about this....there's a difference between who we would want for the PF/C rotation next season and who we think that we could realistically afford. Given our SalaryCap situation next season, I think that after resigning Jack to a reasonable $3-4 mil per season contract and letting Marquis/Rasho expire ( which I admit now am not too sure I would want to do given his tendency to turn the ball over....compared to earlier in the season ) ...we would only have about $4 ( maybe $5 MAX ) mil to sign a FA before going over the Luxury Tax.

Tyrus Thomas would bring some elements to this team that we sorely lack, namely athleticism and shotblocking to the frontcourt. I'm not his biggest fan, and Chicago would probably ask for more than he's worth due to the draft pick they invested in him, but would he help us? Yes.

PacersRule07 wrote:Tyrus Thomas would bring some elements to this team that we sorely lack, namely athleticism and shotblocking to the frontcourt. I'm not his biggest fan, and Chicago would probably ask for more than he's worth due to the draft pick they invested in him, but would he help us? Yes.

There are a lot of players that would likely help us.....but the majority of them we can't afford cuz we do not have the resources to acquire them.

But asking from a hypothetical POV....does Tyrus have the needed Basketball Smarts to playin JO'Bs defense?

I think the Pacers have the resources to get anyone off that list. It's just a matter of whether they're willing to make the sacrifice. We have the expirings in Rasho and Quis, some young talent in Hibbert and Rush, and a possible lottery draft pick.

To be honest though, we're best off keeping our pick and drafting a longterm answer at PF, instead of trying to pull something off the scrap heap as a reconstruction project. If one of the guys I like could be had for a Marquis Daniels or Rasho, I'd be all over it.

greenway84 wrote:i have been a fan of Frye as well. I expected more from him at this point though. I think with Aldridge there I think Frye could be had for someone like Daniels. I would love Landry here, but I think with recent injuries he has shown his value to the rockets. Charlie V, I agree with you that he may be harder to grab. Tyrus makes me nervous, seems a little unstable, and maybe the type of player that doesn't play to his full potential. I still think Haslem could be had from Miami. He's a little lack luster to me, but would help.

About Frye, I don't see why the Blazers would be interested in Marquis' expiring Contract without receiving some incentive for some swap of Frye. We would probably have a better chance of signing him when he becomes a FA.

As for Haslem.....I think that Riley would either keep him since he will still help the Heat win games and ( most importantly ) comes off the books in 2009-2010. At best, there is a chance that we can trade them Rasho since they appear to have a need for a real Center....but I'm guessing that they would want more in return for Haslem IF they are looking to move him now.

PacersRule07 wrote:I think the Pacers have the resources to get anyone off that list. It's just a matter of whether they're willing to make the sacrifice. We have the expirings in Rasho and Quis, some young talent in Hibbert and Rush, and a possible lottery draft pick.

To be honest though, we're best off keeping our pick and drafting a longterm answer at PF, instead of trying to pull something off the scrap heap as a reconstruction project. If one of the guys I like could be had for a Marquis Daniels or Rasho, I'd be all over it.

Although I would have to leave it to count55 to better answer this.....our SalaryCap situation for the 2009-2010 offseason isn't as great as many of you think.

If we resign Jack ( which I think we would IF JO'B is still our Coach for next season ); even if we simply let Marquis and Rasho expire, we would have a total of about $6 mil in capspace to sign between 3 to 5 players to fill out our roster before going over the likely Luxury Tax Threshold. Even if we were to sign 1 to 3 "end of the bench" players for cheap ( like keeping either McRoberts or Graham ), we would only have about $4-5 mil of Capspace to use before going over the Luxury Tax.

Keep in mind that if we were to trade Marquis or Rasho....we would have to take back a Player of comprable salary...most of which would immediately eat up that $4-5 mil of Capspace that we will likely have available next season. If we ever traded Rasho....at the very least...we would have to take back a Player ( or Players ) that have 2008-2009 contracts that total at least $6.75 mil. Same thing for Marquis.....at the very least...we would have to take back about $5.5 mil in 2008-2009 contracts. In both cases....unless we get back Expiring Contracts ( which I doubt that Teams would be willing to swap ), we would get back Players that has a Contract that lasts into the 2009-2010 Season.......which would either push over the Luxury Tax limit. IF TPTB are consious about our future SalaryCap situation......which I hope they will be....unless we get a total no-brainer trade offer for Marquis or Rasho....then I suspect that we would likely let the both of them simply expire.

Also, I agree with you about the PF....I think that we should draft our future Big Man. I suspect that there is a greater chance that we would get the type of PF that we want in the Lottery with a Pick in the Teens then signing a PF that would cost $4-5 mil a season.