Grievance

granger05 · Post #1 » by **granger05** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 5:33 pm

Tinsley and the Union may be forcing the Pacer's hand, LINK.

I know there's a Tinsley thread, but this seems worth it's own discussion on the topic of player contracts in general. Marbury is in a similar situation, although with his contract expiring he's not as concerned about when he may get to play again. I don't want Tinsley on the team anymore either, but he is an NBA player and we're denying him the chance to play in the league right now. It's a separate discussion I suppose that his own behavior in the past is the real reason he's not playing now, but I think the CBA expires pretty soon and I wonder if issues like this will be addressed. There was a one-time amnesty clause at one point and I wonder if that concept could be expanded.

On another Tinsley note, as I was clicking over to the forums I saw a headline that Jameer Nelson has a torn labrum, LINK. He'll be evaluated in a week. Maybe the Magic make a move for Tinsley now as a stopgap to keep them in the hunt for homecourt in the second round.

kdawg531 · Post #2 » by **kdawg531** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 7:08 pm

Does Tinsley really have a case here? Isn't it his own fault that he is in this situation?

JarrettJackSG · Post #3 » by **JarrettJackSG** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 7:22 pm

Tinsley has a great case here. He is a Pacers player, and he should at least be allowed into the fieldhouse to practice. He has a right to be at every game, even if it is on the IR. No team has a right to blackball players like this.

Post #4 » by **Grang33r** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 7:32 pm

Tinsley single handily almost ruined this franchise with his off-court antics. The Pacers should have the right to ban him from all Pacers related activities. He is a skilled basketball player and if he truly wants to leave and play ball, he should accept a low-money buy-out, similar to what Marbury wanted from the Knicks. Think Pacers wouldn't buy him out for $1 million?

As for the Magic, that is a very interesting story. Nelson is gone for most, if not all of this season. Tinsley isn't the only point guard that is available, however, despite the cost, he could come fairly cheap. However, i am not too sure who Orlando could send back this way. I am not sure they would be willing to give up Tony Battie. Battie in the deal is one of the few ways a deal between Orlando and Pacers makes financially sense. They would be lacking another big man to Dwight if Battie is dealt, unless they really have a lot of faith in Marcin Gorgat.

granger05 · Post #5 » by **granger05** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 7:56 pm

Marbury didn't offer to get bought out for $1million. He offered to get bought out for $1million less than his remaining money. That's a big difference. The Knicks countered with $3million less and he said no...according to the latest article I found on google (LINK)

JarrettJackSG · Post #6 » by **JarrettJackSG** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 7:58 pm

granger05 wrote:Marbury didn't offer to get bought out for $1million. He offered to get bought out for $1million less than his remaining money. That's a big difference.

Yeah, you think DOnnie wouldn't have bought him out for 1 mill already

granger05 · Post #7 » by **granger05** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 8:04 pm

The Collective Bargaining Agreement expires in the summer of 2010 which makes that offseason even more interesting. Here's an article (LINK). I think that a case can be made on Tinsley's behalf, but the Pacers are still paying him and they have him under contract and can do what they think is best. I actually believe that this situation and Marbury with the Knicks are good because they may have an effect on the contract situations in the NBA. The fact that this will be getting negotiated during a down economy also probably will help reign in some of the contract power from the players which I think is a good thing for the game long-term.

Tinsley still has a right to agree to a buyout if he wanted to go somewhere else so I think the Pacers would win any legal decision. I'd make it clear to Tinsley's agent that any legal fees would need to be deducted from the buyout number right off the top and then ask again if they wanted to negotiate something.

granger05 · Post #8 » by **granger05** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 8:08 pm

Meh, I re-read my own link and the CBA expires in the summer of 2011, not 2010.

cdash · Post #9 » by **cdash** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 8:40 pm

JarrettJackSG wrote:Tinsley has a great case here. He is a Pacers player, and he should at least be allowed into the fieldhouse to practice. He has a right to be at every game, even if it is on the IR. No team has a right to blackball players like this.

Ummm...why not? They are paying his lazy ass $6 million to stay at home. Perhaps had he behaved himself while he was with the team, they wouldnt have to banish him. Getting involved in gun fights and crap is what got him into this predicament.

JarrettJackSG · Post #10 » by **JarrettJackSG** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 8:52 pm

Team still doesn't have the right to do that..should be under CBA.

Dunthreevy · Post #11 » by **Dunthreevy** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 9:31 pm

JarrettJackSG wrote:Team still doesn't have the right to do that..should be under CBA.

The team is still paying him! They should be able to parade him down Market street dressed like a donkey if they so choose.

cdash · Post #12 » by **cdash** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 9:35 pm

JarrettJackSG wrote:Team still doesn't have the right to do that..should be under CBA.

Its not like he tried to fight it, until now at least, if you call this a fight. He was perfectly happy staying at home. I know you like playing devil's advocate, but come on.

Post #13 » by **Miller4ever** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 9:43 pm

Man, I love the cdash/JJSG drama. It's good because neither of you are idiots.

I think that anything Tinsley tries to convince anyone of legally will get shot down. His track record is more than enough to keep the organization in the clear.

basketballwacko2 · Post #14 » by **basketballwacko2** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 10:26 pm

I don't know how he has a case as long as he's getting his paycheck, If he wants out of his contract fine with me he can be out we pay him this season pay and he walks. It's up to him.

pacersrule08 · Post #15 » by **pacersrule08** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 11:17 pm

Grang33r u have a great point about Orlando, but we could always give up jamaal for pietrus and courtney lee.

Post #16 » by **Miller4ever** » Tue Feb 3, 2009 11:34 pm

I wouldn't mind Lee.

cdash · Post #17 » by **cdash** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 12:07 am

Miller4ever wrote:Man, I love the cdash/JJSG drama. It's good because neither of you are idiots.

I think that anything Tinsley tries to convince anyone of legally will get shot down. His track record is more than enough to keep the organization in the clear.

I'm thinking of escalating this feud. Not really enough drama here. He disagrees with basically everything I say, and I disagree with basically everything he says. We need some slander. He needs to accuse me of being a closet John Starks fan or something.

bballpacen · Post #18 » by **bballpacen** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 3:51 am

pacersrule08 wrote:Grang33r u have a great point about Orlando, but we could always give up jamaal for pietrus and courtney lee.

No way that we get either of those two in a deal involving JT... I would be thrilled to get Tony Battie in exchange for JT, as his contract expires in time for the Uber-hyped 2010 FA bonanza... I think that would be a great opportunity for JT, and frankly, one that we should jump all over if it becomes a legit possibility...

FreeRon · Post #19 » by **FreeRon** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 4:05 am

Tinsley has two options in my opinion. If he wants us to pay him, he can do what the team officials tell him to do. If he doesn't like that option, he can terminate his contract. I'm sure the Pacers wouldn't try to stop him if he wanted to just rip that baby up and start from scratch with another team. If players are really going to file grievances like that we need to go to the NFL system of non-guaranteed contracts.

freeman · Post #20 » by **freeman** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:18 am

I would be thrilled to get Tony Battie in exchange for JT, as his contract expires in time for the Uber-hyped 2010 FA bonanza...

I totally agree on the fact that we can't have either Lee or Pietrus for Tinsley. Orlando may be needing a point guard but for them to like Tinsley, Larry should have a really pretty offer. Seems to me that Indiana's running out of hope and would, in the end, settle for the best among the bad offers. The need to unload Tinsley is far more greater than the other teams' desire to try on Tinsley so i wouldn't be surprised if Kenny Thomas becomes a Pacer.

Battie would be nice, but i doubt if O'Brien can make use of him. I mean, if Indiana would deal Tinsley, it would be for a guy who can play immediately and effectively under Obie's system. In short, a guy who can help instantly. But should it come down the last minute, Battie's gonna be fine. I just hope some practice would bring him back to his shot-blocking days.