Amare Stoudamire?

The Magic Man · Post #1 » by **The Magic Man** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 7:35 pm

What's up guys im a Suns fan and I was watching ESPN FASTBREAK last night and JA Adande said that the Pacers were interested in trading for Amare.So I was just curious what would you give us to get Amare.
Would you trade us Granger for Amare:

JarrettJackSG · Post #2 » by **JarrettJackSG** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 7:36 pm

Granger is the new Bird for Pacer fans, so no. xD

Granger da OG · Post #3 » by **Granger da OG** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 8:04 pm

Wouldnt trade granger for Amare if you threw in a first round pick. Simple difference Granger tries, Amare, meh.

granger05 · Post #4 » by **granger05** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 8:34 pm

Adande seems to talk about the Pacers alot. He was on the B.S. Report a couple weeks ago and mentioned them a handful of times, nothing concrete. Anyway, I wouldn't trade Danny for Amare and I doubt we'd have anything else the Suns would want unless they hope to dump a bunch of salary on us or something. I like Amare, but his stats have been inflated by getting to play with Nash. I'm not sure he'll be the same guy anywhere else.

granger05 · Post #5 » by **granger05** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 8:48 pm

Marquis + Rasho (both expiring) works salary-wise for Amare. If we did that deal and threw in an unprotected pick this year that would be the best non-Danny offer. Obviously, the Suns would only do this if they were trying to cut salary and kill the souls of their fans. Or, if they really believed it would help the team just to not have Amare anymore which would be scary for the team getting him.

I think this deal is stupid for the Suns, but from our perspective it also adds a lot of money. The pick would be OK because with Granger + Amare I think we'd end up in the teens.

DC2 · Post #6 » by **DC2** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 8:53 pm

The Suns wanted Rush in the draft so i'm sure they'd want him in any deal. So pretty much what we could offer is expirers+picks+Rush. I'd give 2 future firsts and Rush along with the expirings. Not sure if that's enough or not.

greenway84 · Post #7 » by **greenway84** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 10:02 pm

I highly doubt a trade for someone like Amare is going to happen. Like every other trade or signing we talk about. It always ends up with someone bringing up the fact that we can't afford more salary next year. Also if Bird does pull something out with Exp, Rookies, and Picks It obviously gives us another 2 years to get to the top. Because I really doubt Amare will want to stick around. With that said If we could do Rasho, Daniels, Rush, 09 1st(top 5 Protected), DAL 2 09 2nds for Amare. I would have to do it. Bu then we would absolutely have to find a place for Tinsley to go. Either that or low ball the hell out of his buyout. The only issue I see is we are left very thin oddly as it sounds at the wing position. leaving only Jack, Danny, and Mike to man all the minutes. Assuming Graham doesn't come back. I would like to see this but CAP reasons I doubt it does.

cdash · Post #8 » by **cdash** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 10:40 pm

No way would I even consider Granger for Amare. Amare doesnt try, he always is finding something to complain about, and his apathy on the defensive end is astounding. Amare will have plenty of potential suitors, lets let someone else trade for him, because the Suns are going to want a king's ransom.

Post #9 » by **APerna** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 10:42 pm

I respect Adande, but I just don't see much merit in this. If Granger stays here, and a deal gets done, I'll send Adande flowers.

Post #10 » by **PR07** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 10:53 pm

I'd rather have Bosh, but a Granger-Amare combo would be sick.

Not sure if we have the pieces though unless we land a Top 5 pick in the draft and deal it.

Donerik · Post #11 » by **Donerik** » Thu Feb 5, 2009 1:12 am

It all depends what the suns want, young pieces? expiring salary, a near guaranteed lottery pick?

I like the Idea of getting Amare, he can't be worse defensively than what we've got and he can move, If TJ and Jack can toss a decent alley oop I think he's money. He ought shore up our front court rotation better than that first round pick we'd no doubt have to give up would.

Larry Bird knows what's up and isn't shy to put players on the trade block, He got us Queezy for Croshere, he got rid of SJack and JO for okay players...

If Granger goes anywhere I quit though, I'm saving my Pesos for a Granger Allstar Jersey

chatard5 · Post #12 » by **chatard5** » Thu Feb 5, 2009 3:13 am

We could be a dangerous team if we had Amare, were healthy, and played a little defense. He'd fit in perfectly. I'd give them expirings, our first round pick (top 2 protected, it really isn't deep, so I am fine with that) and Rush. Do they have any bad contracts they would want us to take back? I think they have gotten rid of most of them (Banks and Diaw), but they could have others.

Ford/Jack
Dunleavy
Granger
Murphy
Amare

I like it a lot. Amare down low could get more open 3s for Dunleavy, Granger, and Murphy, too.

Train7492 · Post #13 » by **Train7492** » Thu Feb 5, 2009 7:48 pm

I think it would be great to have Amare here, I think he would breath alittle life in this team. Get some life into the fans. I know his defense is not that great but it is a whole lot better than what we have.
Daniels, Rasho, Rush, 2 -2nd for Amare
Daniels, Foster, Rush, Jack , 2nd for Amare, Tucker
I would not even care if we had to give our 09 1st i would do it. Granger/Amare makes us in the running with Orlando I would think and this might be are only chance to get another All-star to run with Granger.
Ford, Dunleavy, Granger, Murphy, Amare
Denier, Tucker, Graham, Baston, Rasho

Post #14 » by **Miller4ever** » Thu Feb 5, 2009 8:42 pm

Including Foster in a trade for Amare would be bad because we would be losing defense, which is a horrible idea at this point.

Post #15 » by **Grang33r** » Thu Feb 5, 2009 8:59 pm

Yahoo confirms that the Suns are in fact trying to deal Amare. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... &type=lgns

Anything is possible. I personally don't see it. IMO i'd take a lot to land him. I think we'd need to include Brandon Rush and 2 first round picks to get him. And expiring contracts. Steve Kerr in my opinion has been an idiot in Phoenix ever since he arrived so i'm sure Larry Bird could sweet talk him into a deal that Pacers would be satisfied with. I don't think we have enough pieces as the Raptors do, and i am not sure if we're ready to make that next step. But i'd love to make a deal for Amare as long as we keep Dunleavy, Granger and Ford.

bballpacen · Post #16 » by **bballpacen** » Thu Feb 5, 2009 9:59 pm

I agree that the pieces to land Amare or a similar player are lacking for the Pacers... But NOW would be our best time/chance to make a deal like this happen... We have significant expiring contracts, which after the TD, we will no longer have as a trading asset... We do have two young players, who, like them or not, have value as far as trading chips... I think that we could put together a package similar in substance to that which landed LA Gasol, but I dont see the Suns as that desperate to trade him...

CableKC · Post #17 » by **CableKC** » Thu Feb 5, 2009 11:41 pm

Ignoring that I think that other teams can put together better trade offers then I am willing to give up and what the Suns would probably be looking for in trading Amare......in NBA2k9 land where I can push a button and force teams to accept trades......ignoring the salary cap implications for the Pacers and the liklihood that he would leave in the great FA Exodus of 2010....the most straight forward "Expiring Contracts and Picks" trade that I would be comfortable doing would be:

Rasho+Marquis+BRush+2009 1st Round Pick for Amare

I would be reluctant to include the 2011-2012 1st round pick ( cuz by then, Tinsley and MurpLeavy comes off the books and we will be rebuilding through FA and the draft by then ).

I'm guessing that the Suns would want to force the Pacers ( much less any team interested in him ) to take on Barbosa as well for more Cap clearing space....which could be a major concern for us unless we included someone like Dunleavy....which would negate any SalaryCap benefits from moving Barbosa in the first place.

Of course, it depends on what we have to give up and what TPTB are willing to pay ( in the future ) to get him. Financially for the Pacers, unless we were to include Dunleavy or Murphy ( which I doubt any team would take if the Suns are looking to FA to rebuild in the next 2 seasons ), we would be way over the Luxury Tax with ONLY 8 players ( not including Tinsley ) for a team that could be Playoff contenders...but not Championship material.

Either way, this is one of the many reasons why I doubt the Pacers would have any real chance of making any move for Amare. The cost would be too great since we would be way over the Luxury Tax...soemthing that a small town market team like the Pacers wouldn't do. It's nice to dream...but when that dream eventually becomes a nightmare in a season or two.....it's not worth the effort.

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #18 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Fri Feb 6, 2009 12:00 am

So, after finding a few articles and looking around the trade board, I think we may actually be able to pull this off.

To start, there is an article with a source inside the Suns saying they want to trade Amare before the deadline. So basically, they aren't just listening to offers, they want to trade him. There is another article saying the Suns are looking for expirings, a young forward, and picks. We got that, though I'm thinking they'd prefer a PF to a SF, but maybe Rush would intrigue them, he is the type of player they usually like to have. Obviously our pick would be in the lottery unless this deal were to happen, not sure what value that would have to the Suns when we have Amare and Granger. All in all, I'm looking around and don't think many other teams have the package that the Suns are looking for outside the Thunder and Bulls. I'm not saying I think we are going to get him, but after looking around, it seems we are ahead of a lot of the competition to get him, especially since I don't see the Thunder offering Green and a 1st for a guy who could leave in a year.

cdash · Post #19 » by **cdash** » Fri Feb 6, 2009 12:05 am

You've gotta think the Bulls will put a huge offer on the table for Amare. He is the guy they have needed for years now, and they have let way, way too many potential trades slip through their fingers. Paxson's seat is a little hot, and I think they are willing to deal anyone on their roster not named Derrick Rose, and sorry, but a package involving Luol Deng or Ben Gordon plus their pick and Drew Gooden easily trumps anything we can offer.

MillerTime101 · Post #20 » by **MillerTime101** » Fri Feb 6, 2009 3:06 am

The Suns are not rebuilding so I dont see a deal happening. They said they are not trading Nash and I doubt they trade Shaq so they still have a small window to do something in the West, trading Amare for Rush, some fillers and picks doesnt fit in with their plan.

Plus I dont want to give up Rush and picks for a guy that doesnt show up most nights and will probably leave in just over a year. Doesnt make sense for either team IMO.