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1. TJ Ford and our pick (currently #11) for the #1 overall pick, or perhaps more reasonable the #2 pick, in this year's draft?

-Is it wise or realistic with our current needs?

-Also is it , value wise, appropriate?

2. Mike Dunleavy and our pick for the #1 or #2 pick?

Same questions. Fire away....

Well for beginners, if we give Ford or Dunleavy that means we got to take back like $8 million in salary. Secondly, I don't see no team in their right mind taking a #11 and Ford/Dunleavy to give up a #2

Just not happening. That might mean Griffin or Rubio

That's a good point on the salary issue if the team drafting #1 or 2 would have the cap space to take a big salary like $8 or $9 million then yeah I'd trade Dunleavy and our pick lets say #10 to move to #1 or #2. I don't think i'd move TJ in that deal but i'd have to think about it.

I would do, but they wouldn't do. Isaiah Thomas is no longer GM of anything.

TJ, no. Dunleavy, yes. I really like TJ so I wouldn't trade him unless the trade was a steal for us. With Dunleavy's current injury status I'd move him if this type of deal came along... As others have said though, no way anyone offers us this.

I would do both, but the other teams wouldn't.

Yes. Easily. Other teams wouldn't however.

Of course, we would be stupid not too. The only way I could see it happening is if its for the second pick and Rubio does not declare, him and Griffin are held in higher regard then the Monroe's and Hardens at this point and no team would give up one of them for either package you just mentioned.

That's primarily what i had in mind. Not exactly sure of how to value a guy like James Harden. However he is some who intrigues me immensely though.

No teams would do the #1 pick. It is POSSIBLE but unlikely that a team would do the #2 pick for TJ and #11, but it would probably have to be the team that gets the 9th in the West. For example, I could see Houston doing that trade. They wouldn't want to take Rubio and wait for him develop, at least I doubt it. Plus they don't really have a good point guard (at least TJ is an upgrade). Although, a lot has to happen for that to happen. Houston (there may be another team in the West, I don't know) would have to drop to the 9th seed. They'd have to get the 2nd seed, or possibly 3rd depending on who has the 2nd pick and who they draft. They also need to think that adding TJ would push them to be a top team in the West the could knock off the Lakers. They could draft Stephen Curry or a SG for WHEN TMac gets injured again, or a player who could get a lot of open shots with Yao down low. Although they might like the Battier/Artest combo. Another team may be the Suns if they think Nash is getting too old and they want to keep their uptempo pace. Personally, I think Curry would fit very well with them, but I think they'd prefer the rebuild since TJ wouldn't make them any better.

Battier is a player I've wanted for a while. He is great defensively, and would fit well with us. He wouldn't have to take too many shots and could D up on the other teams star. Maybe I am completely overrating him. What about Dunleavy and the #11 pick for Battier and, say, the #20 (at #24 right now, but I think they will drop behind the Jazz, Hornets, and possibly Blazers and Dallas or someone).

CRAP! I just looked it up and the Rockets give up their pick to the Kings. It is protected, though, so I guess my first scenario works.

Somewhat uncrap. Say Houston completely blows it (Yao breaks his face, but will be ready next year. That sucks that he breaks his face) and they end up with the 14th pick. We could do Dunleavy and #10 or 11 or whatever for Battier and #14. Upon further research, Phoenix is only 3 1/2 back of HOUSTON (2 back of 8 seed), who is currently at the 4th seed. It is unlikely to drop 5 spots 22 games remaining, but is possible with there being very good teams, TMac is out (they could be better w/o TMac), they are only 3 1/2 games up, Shaq has been BALLIN lately (and they have been doing well under their new coach, even with Amare out), from a quick glance their schedule has some tought games and the Suns and Rockets still play twice (Suns win both and in essence are 1 1/2 back and have the head-to-head season series), and, of course, they drop 5 spots because Yao breaks his face. I don't want Yao to break his face and I will feel bad if it happens, but if it happens in a freak accident outside of basketball just remember that I live in Indy and have never been to Houston.

cdash: ADD wins again. I don't take meds and I am bored and whatever else and type for a long time. If I do take the meds then I go on RealGM and type a whole lot of stuff instead of typing papers.

But what do you think about downgrading draft picks to get Battier for Dunleavy? Damn, I just looked at his stats this year and they pretty much suck, even though he has been playing plenty of minutes. He's also missed a bunch of games. Wow, they're really bad, but I am still going to go with this, because I can and I am known for being an idiot who types long things that nobody reads. We get a huge upgrade defensively and Battier is signed for the MLE through 2010/11, along with Dunleavy. They would have to add salary to make it work.

Sorry, I need to refocus. I just wrote another extremely long post during my break of this post after ND lost. Those meds really do make you do a lot of work, they just need to work on it so it makes you do stuff that is useful in your life.

Okay, well the Pacers seem to have plenty of offense, but are awful at defense. Even without Dunleavy they can score a whole bunch of points, but rarely stop anybody. Battier is naturally a SF, but I think he could start at SG and let Granger stay at SF since Battier's offense wouldn't really matter while he could guard the better defender. Houston already has Artest, who is Battier but has some offensive skills and is even better at defense (but he is coo-coo). Dunleavy is owed a lot more money, but if they do this deal they improve in the draft and it makes the oft-injured McGrady tradeable w/o losing much offense (Dunleavy has been hurt this year, but I won't say he is injury prone, at least yet).

I could probably keep looking up worthless scenarios until my fingers fall off, none of which would be read, but I am going to stop.

gremz: I may have said this last night, but did you see my cricket shout-out in another thread? Don't worry, that post isn't pages long.

I hope I didn't ruin another perfectly fine thread/discussion.

As I do with my long/pointless posts, I make a summary so you don't waste your time reading my gibberish and unending list of stats and pointless info:

-The #9 seed in the West could trade the #2 pick, especially if they don't have a PG and want to contend now. My example was Houston if they somehow drop a lot (my reason was Yao's face gets broken)
-Would we want Battier and trade Dunleavy and downgrade our draft pick for him?
-I made points to gremz and cdash

Okay, seriously now, I have to do homework. Again, my apologies for my stupidity. I am going to be up until like 6 doing this stuff and I am sure I will visit the board and write more crap. "Freakin' idiot, gosh!"

EDIT: Gremz, I just saw your fantastic reply to all of my cricket nonsense. Nevermind and thanks.

Gremz wrote:1. TJ Ford and our pick (currently #11) for the #1 overall pick, or perhaps more reasonable the #2 pick, in this year's draft?

-Is it wise or realistic with our current needs?

-Also is it , value wise, appropriate?

2. Mike Dunleavy and our pick for the #1 or #2 pick?

Same questions. Fire away....

a solid big man and a bigger guard pg or sg, as far as getting rid of tj no

chatard5 wrote:No teams would do the #1 pick. It is POSSIBLE but unlikely that a team would do the #2 pick for TJ and #11, but it would probably have to be the team that gets the 9th in the West. For example, I could see Houston doing that trade. They wouldn't want to take Rubio and wait for him develop, at least I doubt it. Plus they don't really have a good point guard (at least TJ is an upgrade). Although, a lot has to happen for that to happen. Houston (there may be another team in the West, I don't know) would have to drop to the 9th seed. They'd have to get the 2nd seed, or possibly 3rd depending on who has the 2nd pick and who they draft. They also need to think that adding TJ would push them to be a top team in the West the could knock off the Lakers. They could draft Stephen Curry or a SG for WHEN TMac gets injured again, or a player who could get a lot of open shots with Yao down low. Although they might like the Battier/Artest combo. Another team may be the Suns if they think Nash is getting too old and they want to keep their uptempo pace. Personally, I think Curry would fit very well with them, but I think they'd prefer the rebuild since TJ wouldn't make them any better.

Battier is a player I've wanted for a while. He is great defensively, and would fit well with us. He wouldn't have to take too many shots and could D up on the other teams star. Maybe I am completely overrating him. What about Dunleavy and the #11 pick for Battier and, say, the #20 (at #24 right now, but I think they will drop behind the Jazz, Hornets, and possibly Blazers and Dallas or someone).

CRAP! I just looked it up and the Rockets give up their pick to the Kings. It is protected, though, so I guess my first scenario works.

Somewhat uncrap. Say Houston completely blows it (Yao breaks his face, but will be ready next year. That sucks that he breaks his face) and they end up with the 14th pick. We could do Dunleavy and #10 or 11 or whatever for Battier and #14. Upon further research, Phoenix is only 3 1/2 back of HOUSTON (2 back of 8 seed), who is currently at the 4th seed. It is unlikely to drop 5 spots 22 games remaining, but is possible with there being very good teams, TMac is out (they could be better w/o TMac), they are only 3 1/2 games up, Shaq has been BALLIN lately (and they have been doing well under their new coach, even with Amare out), from a quick glance their schedule has some tought games and the Suns and Rockets still play twice (Suns win both and in essence are 1 1/2 back and have the head-to-head season series), and, of course, they drop 5 spots because Yao breaks his face. I don't want Yao to break his face and I will feel bad if it happens, but if it happens in a freak accident outside of basketball just remember that I live in Indy and have never been to Houston.

cdash: ADD wins again. I don't take meds and I am bored and whatever else and type for a long time. If I do take the meds then I go on RealGM and type a whole lot of stuff instead of typing papers.

But what do you think about downgrading draft picks to get Battier for Dunleavy? Damn, I just looked at his stats this year and they pretty much suck, even though he has been playing plenty of minutes. He's also missed a bunch of games. Wow, they're really bad, but I am still going to go with this, because I can and I am known for being an idiot who types long things that nobody reads. We get a huge upgrade defensively and Battier is signed for the MLE through 2010/11, along with Dunleavy. They would have to add salary to make it work.

Sorry, I need to refocus. I just wrote another extremely long post during my break of this post after ND lost. Those meds really do make you do a lot of work, they just need to work on it so it makes you do stuff that is useful in your life.

Okay, well the Pacers seem to have plenty of offense, but are awful at defense. Even without Dunleavy they can score a whole bunch of points, but rarely stop anybody. Battier is naturally a SF, but I think he could start at SG and let Granger stay at SF since Battier's offense wouldn't really matter while he could guard the better defender. Houston already has Artest, who is Battier but has some offensive skills and is even better at defense (but he is coo-coo). Dunleavy is owed a lot more money, but if they do this deal they improve in the draft and it makes the oft-injured McGrady tradeable w/o losing much offense (Dunleavy has been hurt this year, but I won't say he is injury prone, at least yet).

I could probably keep looking up worthless scenarios until my fingers fall off, none of which would be read, but I am going to stop.

gremz: I may have said this last night, but did you see my cricket shout-out in another thread? Don't worry, that post isn't pages long.

I hope I didn't ruin another perfectly fine thread/discussion.

Thanks for giving me something worthy to quote.

He's right, guys.

(I didn't read it, but something so long must be well-thought out, right?)

I am right, thank you. And no, it isn't well-thought out. Words come to my head or "brain" and I type them. I might do a little research about the subject, and then before I know it I see that 20 minutes have gone by and I have typed all this stuff that probably doesn't make sense that I may or may not agree with. I do read a few words here and there to provide a summary, though. If you are looking for another good read check out the March Madness thread.