Ty Lawson: Pacers Don't Seem Happy with Their PGs

[chatard5]

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Ty Lawson and Eric Maynor are drawing interest from the Indiana Pacers.

"They talked to my agent and they said they need a point guard to come in," Lawson said this afternoon. "They've got T.J. Ford and Jarrett Jack, but I don't know if they're happy with them. They said they need one to come in."

Hey Lawson, I have an idea. Keep quiet so the Pacers organization doesn't get mad at you. Maybe we have plans to trade some1? Don't take Lawson, take Maynor!!

[cdash]

Good, hopefully this slip-up means we won't pick him. I am not a fan.

[PR07]

I don't think necessarily that the Pacers are unhappy with their PG's. If I were to guess, I think they think, what we all think, and that's that neither Ford or Jack is probably the starting PG for a contending team, and that the team could stand to upgrade.

I mean the team appears to want Jarrett Jack back, and O'Brien said he expects Ford to be very good next season as he gets more familiar with the system.

I really don't want Lawson though.

[cdash]

I still say that if we go PG, it's going to be Maynor. Chad Ford's latest mock has us taking Jeff Teague?

[PR07]

My guess would be Maynor right now. Looking at Bird's track record of last season, we know he wants winners. Both Hibbert and Rush were proven winners collegiately. Maynor's a winner. We also know this team system requires shooters. Maynor can shoot. Lastly, what separates Maynor from Lawson (who fits the other two criteria) is his defense. Lawson can be a pesky defender, but with his size, I have a hard time seeing him as an all-around good defender. Bird said he wanted more height and size at the PG position, and I think that is what in turn, gives Maynor the edge defensively. Of course, I could be totally off.

[greenway84]

Id go maynor anyways. i hope this mean we are going to move tj. however lawson could just be reading into it a bit too much. theres a lot of pg in this draft. bird may just be looking to take the best player at 13 which will more than likely be a pg.

[cdash]

Id go maynor anyways. i hope this mean we are going to move tj. however lawson could just be reading into it a bit too much. theres a lot of pg in this draft. bird may just be looking to take the best player at 13 which will more than likely be a pg.

I just don't think TJ is going anywhere, and honestly, I'm fine with that. I was one of his biggest detractors during the season, but the guy has a ton of talent, and if he can work on his outside shot and his decision making, I think he could be really good still. I like Maynor, and I like Jarrett Jack, but would you really be comfortable with those two guys getting the lion's share of the PG minutes? I wouldn't.

[DC2]

I like Maynor. He seems like a good guy and a winner to me. I'd much rather have him. He's a traditional point guard. He has everything you need at that position and if he improves his jumpshot he could be a really good point guard. Possibly even a Chauncey Billups type.

[boshjonesford]

Maynor against UNC - 0-11 from the collage three

how do you attempt 11 threes and not get a single one in, this guy is a chucker

[Grang33r]

I like Maynor. He seems like a good guy and a winner to me. I'd much rather have him. He's a traditional point guard. He has everything you need at that position and if he improves his jumpshot he could be a really good point guard. Possibly even a Chauncey Billups type.

Good to see you back on. I haven't seen ya on here since i returned. I also havn't seen ya on aim, got a new name or something?

[DC2]

Maynor against UNC - 0-11 from the collage three

how do you attempt 11 threes and not get a single one in, this guy is a chucker

He's not a chucker, he's just far and away the number one option on his team. His jumpshot is his biggest hole in his game and if he improves that he'll be a great nba point guard.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Maynor - 35.5 MPG, 22.4 PPG, 3.6 RPG, 1.7 SPG .463 FG%, .361 3P%, 2.08 A/TO
Lawson - 29.9 MPG, 16.6 PPG, 3.0 RPG, 2.1 SPG .532 FG%, .472 3P%, 3.48 A/TO

Lawson also got more steals per game and had less fouls per game. As for Maynor being a winner - what does that make Lawson? Lawson was the best player on the team that won the National Championship. Considering Lawson put up better stats in 5 less minutes per game says a lot. He also did it against MUCH better competition.

I just don't understand all the hate for Lawson and all the love for players Lawson clearly outplayed. Ultimately, I think Lawson hurt his chances with us by saying this, I think we will probably pick Eric Maynor(looking at it from Bird's view). I like Maynor a lot, but I think Lawson will be better. Everyone seems to prefer Maynor because of his defense - but like I said - Lawson averaged more SPG and less fouls against better competition. Obviously man to man is a big factor too, which is where Maynor takes over in the pros, but Lawson is a very pesky defender.

The question comes down to, what would you prefer? The better defender or the guy who does everything else better?

[PR07]

Teams could gameplan their whole defense on Maynor because that's all that team had. They couldn't do what with UNC because Hansbrough or Ellington would burn them.

As for Lawson being more of a winner, it's not just about winning a championship.

Take a look at some of Lawson's weaknesses according to draftexpress:

- Basketball IQ?
- Experience
- Focus
- Leadership skills in clutch

Doesn't exactly scream winner does it? This is without mentioning his DUI right before the draft. That doesn't exactly scream intelligence either.

Now take a look at Maynor's Strengths:

- Basketball IQ
- Body language
- Clutch
- Confidence
- Experience
- Mental toughness
- Winning mentality

This screams winner.

As for defense, Iverson gets a lot of steals. Tinsley got a lot of steals. Not that great of an indicator of a good defender. Maynor's a better defender and will be in the pros.

[freeman]

My personal pg rankings (Top 8):
1) Rubio
2) Jennings
3) Evans
4) Lawson
5) Holiday
6) Maynor
7) Flynn
8) Curry

I don't hate Lawson at all. In fact, til now, i still put him at number 8 (NY's slot) in my mock drafts, just because i think he could be better than Curry and Flynn down the road. Yeah, i know there will be arguments and debates on this, but the thing that makes me think Lawson would be better than the others is his natural style of play - pure breed pg.

Personally, i think he's better suited to be the next Mike D'Antoni pg than Curry. Lawson's a pass-first pg, and doesn't have to score that much to be effective. People compare him to Terrell Brandon, but i think he could be a much quicker, yet smaller Mike Bibby.

His height maybe the biggest concern, but isn't it the same thing people thought about DJ Augustin?

BUT, BUT, BUT and more BUT's.. i'm surprised about Larry's desire to add another pg. Something's cooking? Evans could play pg, but he's stuck between the pg and the sg, and i could see him play more of the 2 in the NBA.

[freeman]

Wait, i forgot to say that i was on the 8th spot when i talked about Ty Lawson, being the next Mike D'Antoni pg.

We're picking at 13, and personally, i think Maynor would be available, considering that "my" top 4 pg's would be selected in the top 12.

I love Maynor. Though he's not as fast as Lawson, and not as athletic as the other pg's, i think he could be really really valuable in the future. His jumpshot needs work though. And about him being an inconsistent shooter? I always believed in consistency as a product of experience, so give him a couple of years and he'll be burning the net like in NBA Jam. I will never forget Maynor because he ripped our boy, Gabe Norwood's George Mason team back in his NCAA days pretty badly. That was truly an Eric Maynor show.
I believe Larry and the guys have options at the 13, so we cannot guarantee selecting a pg in the draft.
The simplest way would be selecting big guys like Blair or Clark at 13, guys who could help us immediately, and the more complicated way is to draft a pg, and give one of ours away to get a big man. It's up to the guys on which way they'd go, i just hope we're on the right side of the road.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Teams could gameplan their whole defense on Maynor because that's all that team had. They couldn't do what with UNC because Hansbrough or Ellington would burn them.

As for Lawson being more of a winner, it's not just about winning a championship.

Take a look at some of Lawson's weaknesses according to draftexpress:

- Basketball IQ? - Crazy A/TO ratio.
- Experience - Played in so many more big games than Maynor has, its not even funny.
- Focus - 8 steals in the biggest game of his life, always turns it on in the 4th, and hes not focused?
- Leadership skills in clutch - Takes over in the clutch. Whoever wrote this just doesn't like him.

Doesn't exactly scream winner does it? This is without mentioning his DUI right before the draft. That doesn't exactly scream intelligence either.

Now take a look at Maynor's Strengths:

- Basketball IQ - Lawson had higher A/TO ratio.
- Body language - Not sure what this has to do with basketball, but Lawson is always ready to go.
- Clutch - Anyone who has watched Lawson in the 4th can attest to this - hes extremely clutch.
- Confidence - Best player on the National Championship team, talks confidently.
- Experience - Best player on National Championship team - mind telling me how Maynor has more experience?
- Mental toughness - Again, Lawson is extremely clutch, ALWAYS hits the big shots - never lost at Duke.
- Winning mentality - Best player on a National Championship team.

This screams winner.

As for defense, Iverson gets a lot of steals. Tinsley got a lot of steals. Not that great of an indicator of a good defender. Maynor's a better defender and will be in the pros.

I'm sorry, thats just ridiculous to say Maynor is more of a winner than Lawson. Your looking at someones opinion - LAWSON WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP. If Lawson made 10/10 3 pointers and Maynor made 4/10, then someone said Maynor was better, would it make it true?

I don't know why you brought up defense - I said Maynor was a better defender.

As for Maynors strengths - Lawson is better at every single one of them. I'm going to go put them next to it now.

I mean really, thats just ridiculous.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Oh, and since you so conveniently left out Lawsons strengths and Maynor's weaknesses, here you go:

Maynor's weaknesses:

- Out of control at times
- Shot-selection
- Turnover prone
- Ability to defend position at next level?
- Commitment to playing defense
- Defensive fundamentals
- Lateral quickness
- Ability to finish around basket
- Average athleticism
- Average wingspan
- Strength
- 3-point shooting percentages
- Inconsistent shooter

Lawson's strengths:

- Transition play
- True point guard
- Ability to create own shot
- Aggressive slashing mentality
- Ball-handling skills
- Excellent hands
- Ability to get in passing lanes
- Pressure defense
- Potential
- Unselfishness
- Work ethic
- High-level productivity
- Assist to turnover ratio
- Court vision
- Passing skills
- Incredibly quick
- Strength
- 3-point shooting percentages
- Ability to catch and shoot


How exactly does high level productivity not translate to him being a winner?

[chatard5]

My top 8 PGs:

Rubio
Jennnings
Maynor
Maynor
Maynor
Maynor
Maynor

If we pick a PG Maynor better be the one!

[cdash]

Teams could gameplan their whole defense on Maynor because that's all that team had. They couldn't do what with UNC because Hansbrough or Ellington would burn them.

As for Lawson being more of a winner, it's not just about winning a championship.

Take a look at some of Lawson's weaknesses according to draftexpress:

- Basketball IQ? - Crazy A/TO ratio.
- Experience - Played in so many more big games than Maynor has, its not even funny.
- Focus - 8 steals in the biggest game of his life, always turns it on in the 4th, and hes not focused?
- Leadership skills in clutch - Takes over in the clutch. Whoever wrote this just doesn't like him.

Doesn't exactly scream winner does it? This is without mentioning his DUI right before the draft. That doesn't exactly scream intelligence either.

Now take a look at Maynor's Strengths:

- Basketball IQ - Lawson had higher A/TO ratio.
- Body language - Not sure what this has to do with basketball, but Lawson is always ready to go.
- Clutch - Anyone who has watched Lawson in the 4th can attest to this - hes extremely clutch.
- Confidence - Best player on the National Championship team, talks confidently.
- Experience - Best player on National Championship team - mind telling me how Maynor has more experience?
- Mental toughness - Again, Lawson is extremely clutch, ALWAYS hits the big shots - never lost at Duke.
- Winning mentality - Best player on a National Championship team.

This screams winner.

As for defense, Iverson gets a lot of steals. Tinsley got a lot of steals. Not that great of an indicator of a good defender. Maynor's a better defender and will be in the pros.

I'm sorry, thats just ridiculous to say Maynor is more of a winner than Lawson. Your looking at someones opinion - LAWSON WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP. If Lawson made 10/10 3 pointers and Maynor made 4/10, then someone said Maynor was better, would it make it true?

I don't know why you brought up defense - I said Maynor was a better defender.

As for Maynors strengths - Lawson is better at every single one of them. I'm going to go put them next to it now.

I mean really, thats just ridiculous.

Your love for UNC players really makes it hard to take your opinion without a huge grain of salt. Not that I blame you, I can't objectively look at IU players.

I am just not a Lawson fan. You can bring up his stat line all day, and the fact that he won a championship, but I'm not buying. The title doesn't mean a lot to me because that UNC team was absolutely loaded. I think he was a great college player, but when I watch him, something about him tells me that his game won't translate that well to the NBA.

[cdash]

My personal pg rankings (Top 8):
1) Rubio
2) Jennings
3) Evans
4) Lawson
5) Holiday
6) Maynor
7) Flynn
8) Curry

I don't hate Lawson at all. In fact, til now, i still put him at number 8 (NY's slot) in my mock drafts, just because i think he could be better than Curry and Flynn down the road. Yeah, i know there will be arguments and debates on this, but the thing that makes me think Lawson would be better than the others is his natural style of play - pure breed pg.

Personally, i think he's better suited to be the next Mike D'Antoni pg than Curry. Lawson's a pass-first pg, and doesn't have to score that much to be effective. People compare him to Terrell Brandon, but i think he could be a much quicker, yet smaller Mike Bibby.

His height maybe the biggest concern, but isn't it the same thing people thought about DJ Augustin?

BUT, BUT, BUT and more BUT's.. i'm surprised about Larry's desire to add another pg. Something's cooking? Evans could play pg, but he's stuck between the pg and the sg, and i could see him play more of the 2 in the NBA.

My list:
1. Rubio
2. Holiday
3. Jennings
4. Evans (as a talent...I'm not sold on him being a point guard, but he did run it well at Memphis)
5. Curry
6. Maynor
7. Flynn
8. Lawson