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From the latest draft rumors by Ford on ESPN.

Chicago has talked to the Nets, Bobcats and Pacers about swapping No. 16 and No. 26 to get into the lottery. It sounds like the Bulls are down to one potential trade partner in the lottery.

The Nets are leaning strongly toward keeping their pick at No. 11. And if the Bobcats made a promise to Williams at No. 12, they're out, too. That leaves the Pacers at No. 13.

The Pacers have been one of the hardest teams to peg in the draft. DeJuan Blair, Tyler Hansbrough, Eric Maynor, Ty Lawson and Jeff Teague all are on their board right now. If the Bulls want any of those guys -- or the guys the Suns (No. 14) and Pistons (No. 15) are looking at -- they'll have to make the deal.

I know cdash has stated trepidation about trading down, but if there truly are 3 guys we still like available at 13, then why not trade down to 16? We could still get Lawson/Maynor as our PG and then with 26 we could grab a swing player like Ellington or Budinger to shore that position up in Dunleavy's absence.

It sounds like at least one of our guys will still be available at 16 (you never know who drops) and then at 26 you also have no idea who could still be on the board. I'd be fine with this since I expect all my favorites to be gone by 13 anyway.

^^ The tough part is, the Suns and Pistons are both rumored to want PGs. Teague is rumored to Suns and Lawson to Detroit. If Handsbrough is taken earlier on, the Pacers pretty much put themselves in a position where they have to take whatever is left over. They won't get to pick and choose which talent they want. I mean, i wouldn't mind Maynor at 16 but what if he goes to the Suns and it's between Tyler/Blair or Blair/Teague.... NIGHTMARE for the Pacers. Going into the draft and being satisfied with a role player is just plain stupid in my opinion. When you pick 13th, you gotta aim for the world. If we were picking 18th to start with, i'd agree with taken a Handsbrough or Teague, a guy for the bench, a good role player, and so on. But at 13, you try to find yourself a star.

Getting the 26th pick would be nice but they better be sure they have some ability to choose their player at 16.

The Suns are taking PGs in some of the mocks I've seen, but I've never seen the Pistons grabbing a point. They just unloaded Chauncey so they could hand Stuckey the keys. I think it's pretty safe to assume that they'll go in another direction. Obviously, this trade wouldn't go down until we saw who was on the board at 13 anyway. I disagree that you shoot for a star at 13. I think you'll be disappointed if that's your expectation. You're shooting for a solid contributor and I think you're really pleased if you actually get one. I have a feeling we have Lawson as our top target and he's usually going at 17 to Philly in most of the mocks I've seen. If we want him anyway then I have no problem picking up another asset along the way.

At the end of the season, i read a story on the Pistons which pretty much quoted Dumars in saying that Stuckley has been a disappointment and that they now see him more of a combo-guard then a point guard, which they are fine with because they still think Stuckley can have be a big success as a guard, but they will address point guard this summer.

Never say never I guess, but they've only got 7 guys under contract for next season (8 if you count Kwame's option which I assume he'll exercise). 2 of them are Stuckey and Will Bynum, 2 are shooting guards (Hamilton and Afflalo), 1 is Prince at SF, then there are two bigs in Kwame and Amir Johnson. Then there's Walter Sharpe who's some kind of combo forward. Stuckey, Hamilton, and Prince are their only proven players and they all play on the perimeter. Plus, they've been linked to Ben Gordon.

In fairness, I don't care about the Pistons, I hope they go into the tank and stay there forever so my info on them is half-assed at best.

Also, I assumed that the Pistons were targeting James Johnson since that's who the Bulls are rumored to want in the lottery and I've never seen him linked with the Suns so it must be Detroit that the Bulls want to leapfrog. If the Suns and Pistons want PGs then why should CHI even bother trading to move up since they're definitely not after a PG themselves?

It could make some sense, but I think the Pacers would wait until they're about on the clock to see if someone like a Holiday, Hill, Flynn, or Jennings drops.

PR07 wrote:It could make some sense, but I think the Pacers would wait until they're about on the clock to see if someone like a Holiday, Hill, Flynn, or Jennings drops.

Exactly! I don't think we would make this trade until we see what's there at 13. If Jennings, Holiday, Flynn are all gone at 13, I say we should do the trade because we can likely get the same player at 16 potentially, then have the 26th pick to pickup a guy like Danny Green or Wayne Ellington.

I agree with the posts above. I would love to have Chicago's two picks, but we need to see who is there first.

I say we trade our 2010 top 3 protected for Holiday, then trade down with the Bulls and get Hansbrough and Green.

Hibbert/Foster
Murphy/Hansbrough
Granger/Green
Rush/Green
Holiday/Jack/Ford

We can then trade Ford for a swing man or a pick to fill out the roster. Holiday/Rush/Granger would be a great perimeter defensive trio.

DGrangeRx33 wrote:I say we trade our 2010 top 3 protected for Holiday, then trade down with the Bulls and get Hansbrough and Green.

Hibbert/Foster
Murphy/Hansbrough
Granger/Green
Rush/Green
Holiday/Jack/Ford

We can then trade Ford for a swing man or a pick to fill out the roster. Holiday/Rush/Granger would be a great perimeter defensive trio.

what team is going to take our 2010 1st rounder (likely late lottery or worse) for a pick high enough to get Holiday?

Oops.. just posted regarding this in the Bird foursome thread. Anywho, I like this trade. Not sure who could drop to make me want to pass on picking up the #26. I kinda like Toney Douglas late.

granger05 wrote:From the latest draft rumors by Ford on ESPN.

Chicago has talked to the Nets, Bobcats and Pacers about swapping No. 16 and No. 26 to get into the lottery. It sounds like the Bulls are down to one potential trade partner in the lottery.

The Nets are leaning strongly toward keeping their pick at No. 11. And if the Bobcats made a promise to Williams at No. 12, they're out, too. That leaves the Pacers at No. 13.

The Pacers have been one of the hardest teams to peg in the draft. DeJuan Blair, Tyler Hansbrough, Eric Maynor, Ty Lawson and Jeff Teague all are on their board right now. If the Bulls want any of those guys -- or the guys the Suns (No. 14) and Pistons (No. 15) are looking at -- they'll have to make the deal.

I know cdash has stated trepidation about trading down, but if there truly are 3 guys we still like available at 13, then why not trade down to 16? We could still get Lawson/Maynor as our PG and then with 26 we could grab a swing player like Ellington or Budinger to shore that position up in Dunleavy's absence.

It sounds like at least one of our guys will still be available at 16 (you never know who drops) and then at 26 you also have no idea who could still be on the board. I'd be fine with this since I expect all my favorites to be gone by 13 anyway.

Oh, but I have reversed course. If no one falls to us, and we are set at taking Blair, Hansbrough, Lawson, or Maynor at #13, I would be 100% for trading the 13th pick for 16 and 26. We can get the same guy at 16, and then pick up someone like DeMarre Carroll, Omri Casspi, Jeff Pendergraph, Nick Calathes, etc. at 26.

DGrangeRx33 wrote:I say we trade our 2010 top 3 protected for Holiday, then trade down with the Bulls and get Hansbrough and Green.

Hibbert/Foster
Murphy/Hansbrough
Granger/Green
Rush/Green
Holiday/Jack/Ford

We can then trade Ford for a swing man or a pick to fill out the roster. Holiday/Rush/Granger would be a great perimeter defensive trio.

I'm too scared to trade our 2010 pick. Plus I don't see anyone doing a deal like that.

A Bulls trade down is a good opportunity. Holiday and Jennings even if they do fall are going to be high risk selections. It would be interesting to know if management values Lawson and Maynor higher given the Pacers recent success with more mature players. If they do the trade down would be a pretty easy decision. At 16 and 26 there's a pretty good chance you land two capable role players. From this draft two solid role players might make you look pretty smart 5 years from now.

Having said all that I think Holiday is a really interesting player. I will be rooting for him to fall.

I would like to have Maynor, and Young at 16 and 26. I would also like to see us trade TJ for Henderson. I really don't like any bigs in this draft besides Clark who we won't be getting. Im content with Murphy and Hibbert starting with McRoberts and Jeff off the bench. The only way I would want Hans is if he were cheap, and Jeff could show him the ropes.

BJ Mullens apparently has a promise to be taken by the Pistons if he falls at #15.

Im liking this bulls swap. By the way has anyone seen the draftexpress board recently.

16 CHI Gerald Henderson
17 PHI Brandon Jennings
18 MIN Sam Young
19 ATL Jeff Teague
20 UTA Tyler Hansbrough
21 NO DeJuan Blair
22 DAL Austin Daye
23 SAC Eric Maynor
24 POR Darren Collison
25 OKL DeMarre Carroll
26 CHI Omri Casspi

Henderson, and Blair just keep falling, as does Jennings. If we can trade Ford for a pick 15 through 20. I would do this swap blind. But then again I'm one of the few who would have 3 first round picks and still not drat a big. I'm patient enough to wait until next year and go after Greg Monroe. We are young no need to try and fill or big man spot this year. Just think Tinsley will be a positive trade piece next summer.

If we draft a PG and are hell bent on trading Ford...trade him for a veteran frontcourt player who is a known commodity. I love the draft and all, but back to back years with multiple first round picks scares me. A lot of young guys getting a lot of minutes.

I will be really surprised if Pacers are able to move TJ for a pick in the 15 to 20 range. Maybe 25 to 30.