Rubio an option?

MUpacersSIC · Post #1 » by **MUpacersSIC** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:26 pm

"Rubio’s comments after the draft made it very clear that he has no problem going back to Spain, and there will likely be a number of lucrative offers coming his way from the direction of Real Madrid and other top European teams once he returns home. This is likely going to be a long and drawn out process, and it’s very possible that we see teams like Dallas, New Jersey, New York and Indiana get back into the mix." -from DraftExpress

Would the Pacers have a realistic chance at getting him? or are they just mentioning us because earlier he said he'd be willing to play here?

Post #2 » by **Gremz** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:55 pm

Well we could be in with a shot, depending on what we'd be willing to part with of course. We hold more pieces that would interest MIN that the Knicks currently do, so that's a bonus. I would however, like to wait and see how we are fairing throughout the first half of next season before moving guys like Hibbert or Rush or future 1sts.

fienX420 · Post #3 » by **fienX420** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:51 pm

No. Rubio not an option.

brassviews · Post #4 » by **brassviews** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:54 pm

Indiana (market) won't help with his buyout, so he's not an option.

fienX420 · Post #5 » by **fienX420** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:02 pm

An NBA team can only contribute $500,000 which is pocket change even for us. That's not the issue. We don't want to give up any of our young core. The only thing we have to trade are future picks - two future 1st rounders for Ricky Rubio? I don't know. Maybe? If there was any indication that Rubio could shoot the ball, I'd think about it. Maybe Ford and a future 1st (probably unprotected)? I think Minnesota is looking for a home run with Rubio, even in a trade - I don't think we can offer it to them. If his value really drops based on the situation - maybe.

Post #6 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:14 pm

Minnesota gave up a solid veteran on an expiring contract in Mike Miller, and a pretty solid lotto pick combo guard in Randy Foye, while taking on 2 **** contracts just for a shot at Ricky Rubio.

One would assume that any team hoping to trade for Rubio would have to give up a bit more as they're guaranteed to now get Rubio. Keep that in mind.

basketballwacko2 · Post #7 » by **basketballwacko2** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:01 pm

Troy Murphy would be great next to Jefferson, Murphs 3pt range would open up the middle for Jefferson to dominate. But no I don't think the T-Wolves would take Murph for Rubio. A deal could be done, but Minny would never take what we'd have to offer unless were putting Rush/Hibbert into the deal and I'd rather not do that.

This works I think: TJ and Murph plus a 2010 #1 pick for Cardinal, Etan Thomas and Songalia or Madson and the Rights to Rubio. I know this is not enough for Minny and too much for us, weird paradox.

Post #8 » by **PR07** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:12 pm

I don't think we have the pieces. The wolves would request Rush+Hibbert+more, and I don't see the Pacers giving them up.

basketballwacko2 · Post #9 » by **basketballwacko2** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:34 pm

Alert this is a JOKE!

What about Danny and JT for Rubio and Love?

Post #10 » by **Miller4ever** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:54 pm

Rubio is unproven. Great, but unproven. Last time we had a dude like this receive a lot of hype, he was older and slower, but already a better player overseas. YEAH, SARUNAS!

MUpacersSIC · Post #11 » by **MUpacersSIC** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:47 pm

Yeah I agree I don't think we have much of a shot. I think that we would have to take their worst contract and easily give up a future 1st. I would be willing to give up anyone but Granger (obviously), Rush, and for the most part Hibbert. But Minnesota is guaranteed to want at the very least one of Hibbert or Rush. It's a very long shot, but after that draft I would love it if we were somehow able to steal Rubio away.

croz24 · Post #12 » by **croz24** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:28 pm

MUpacersSIC wrote:Yeah I agree I don't think we have much of a shot. I think that we would have to take their worst contract and easily give up a future 1st. I would be willing to give up anyone but Granger (obviously), Rush, and for the most part Hibbert. But Minnesota is guaranteed to want at the very least one of Hibbert or Rush. It's a very long shot, but after that draft I would love it if we were somehow able to steal Rubio away.

we need to keep in mind what minny gave up to get the number 5...not much. rubio went 5th in one of the weakest drafts in history. if minny is dumb enough to think they can receive a rush or hibbert in return PLUS pick(s), then i hope they enjoy watching him play in spain for the rest of his career...

IndyMac · Post #13 » by **IndyMac** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:41 pm

No chance, we would have to give up at least one of Rush or Hibbert and I don't see the happening. Didn't Bird say they were "untouchable"? Which I realize is relative, but Bird won't want to give them up for and untested rookie who so far has only caused a lot of drama.

8305 · Post #14 » by **8305** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:30 pm

If this remains unresolved until next year's draft, Minn will be taking a lot of heat and there will be pressure to move him for the highest pick they can get. To get him now takes a good young piece and a first rounder next year. Can't see us doing that now. We could be a player in the spring 2010.

If I had to predict the worst record in the NBA next year today I would say Minn. I won't be surprised is before next year is over Jefferson is grumbling about the direction of the team. If Johnny Flynn is the next Chris Paul maybe it won't be that bad.

Post #15 » by **Gremz** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:41 pm

8305 wrote:If this remains unresolved until next year's draft, Minn will be taking a lot of heat and there will be pressure to move him for the highest pick they can get. To get him now takes a good young piece and a first rounder next year. Can't see us doing that now. We could be a player in the spring 2010.

I agree here. If we were to have a shot, I believe this scenario to be in our best interest

cdash · Post #16 » by **cdash** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:42 pm

It would be a dream come true for me if we were able to get Rubio, but it won't happen. We don't have the assets the Wolves would want.

Post #17 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:27 pm

croz24 wrote:
MUpacersSIC wrote:Yeah I agree I don't think we have much of a shot. I think that we would have to take their worst contract and easily give up a future 1st. I would be willing to give up anyone but Granger (obviously), Rush, and for the most part Hibbert. But Minnesota is guaranteed to want at the very least one of Hibbert or Rush. It's a very long shot, but after that draft I would love it if we were somehow able to steal Rubio away.

we need to keep in mind what minny gave up to get the number 5...not much. rubio went 5th in one of the weakest drafts in history. if minny is dumb enough to think they can receive a rush or hibbert in return PLUS pick(s), then i hope they enjoy watching him play in spain for the rest of his career...

Hmm??? They gave up a solid young player in Randy Foye, and they gave up a solid big money expiring vet in Mike Miller for some of the crappiest contracts this side of the Atlantic. It was a decent haul.

jowglenn · Post #18 » by **jowglenn** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:48 pm

I think if they were trying to trade Rubio right now, it might be tough for us to get him. I don't think we'll give up Hibbert. But Rush and next years 1st? I would think that this is certainly possible, especially if Rubio stays overseas for a year and we know where the 2010 pick is, for example, 13 again. I like Rush a lot, but if Bird thinks Rubio is the real deal, this is something he would do. Then move TJ Ford for a SG (which is likely much easier than moving him for a big man, like many have wanted to do).

Minnesota, if Rubio stays overseas, would probably want to get something for him after a year, instead of watching his value bottom off a la Fran Vasquez. Getting Rush and a 2010 pick (again, lets say its 13) could be enough for them to wash their hands of Rubio. They can then at least say to their fan base "look, we got Rush and [insert 2010 pick's name here]! 2 great players!" And frankly, Rush would fill a big hole for them.

Right now, I think it would be hard to sell them on a Rush/2010 pick deal. But in a year? they might be willing to bite.

chatard5 · Post #19 » by **chatard5** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:09 am

He may refuse to play for Minnesota and would have a lot more leverage than Yi. The T-Wolves could be screwed. If we were to get him, it would be months from now. He would have to say "I am staying home and not playing for you guys". They then might cut their losses. I can't think of a great offer, though. Maybe we can take on those bad contracts from them, give them Ford, a future first, and something else. I don't know what something else is since we don't have any big expirings. Maybe get a 3rd team involved and send them Foster, the 3rd team sends another pick to the Timberwolves. I don't see it happening, but it would be great.

Well, let's hope that Rubio won't play in Minnesota! And we can offer more than the Knicks (unless they want to take contract past next year for expirings, which is a no go). So that leaves Dallas and New Jersey. I guess they could offer more. Why would NJ want him when they have Harris? Dallas I guess could make up a package, but they don't have any young and promising players. Who knows!

Also, Flynn and Rubio playing together? I don't really like that at all.

IndyMac · Post #20 » by **IndyMac** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:46 am

Whether we have a shot or the pieces or not, I don't want to trade for him and don't want him on our team. There's no guarantee he'll be a great player, and he seems to think pretty highly of himself which I don't think would fit in with our team. He hasn't even played a game yet and he's already causing controversy. Whereas all you ever here from our players is where they need to improve their game and what they can do better.