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OT: Buy or Sell: Jets will be 8-8 or better this season

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Re: OT: Buy or Sell: Jets will be 8-8 or better this season 

Post#101 » by SaveUsKP6 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:56 pm

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All of this. Thank you for pointing out how much of a strawman people are putting up when it comes to "defense took a hit". We didn't have Revis for 99% of the year, Pouha did not deliver, DeVito was slow as molasses, and the beat goes on. We've upgraded, clearly, on the defensive side of the ball simply by staying healthy. Now can I say the same week 4? Who knows. But having guys on the field that can match the little production we got last season from the guys mentioned, that's a win.

Call me crazy too, but Winslow is going to be an upgrade over Keller simply, like I said, because he'll probably be on the field. Apparently he's looked pretty good in camp, better than years past. I think he knows this is it for him. I can see him producing in the WCO and landing a nice 2-3 year deal with us afterwards. I also think having Braylon for a full season will help the run game. Say what you want about the guy, but in week 17 last year, he was still blocking like a beast.


Agree with everything except Braylon...I think Stephen Hill and Clyde Gates will be the deep threats ahead of Braylon who might not even make the team.


You're nuts if you don't think Braylon will make the team. He showed he still has plenty left in the tank at the end of last year and really, my point was about the run blocking ability. We aren't going to get it from Winslow, but if you line up Braylon at WR, you have a VERY good run blocking receiver to pick up Winslow's slack.

He's also apparently in the best shape he's been in since 2010, which is the best shape he was in his entire career.
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Re: OT: Buy or Sell: Jets will be 8-8 or better this season 

Post#102 » by j4remi » Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:21 pm

ShumpShump wrote:You're nuts if you don't think Braylon will make the team. He showed he still has plenty left in the tank at the end of last year and really, my point was about the run blocking ability. We aren't going to get it from Winslow, but if you line up Braylon at WR, you have a VERY good run blocking receiver to pick up Winslow's slack.

He's also apparently in the best shape he's been in since 2010, which is the best shape he was in his entire career.


So he says. Just going over training camp notes, his name hasn't shown up at all. Kerley, Hill and Gates are getting all the shine. Holmes is on his way back and there are other guys trying to get healthy who could overtake him too. Edwards could get in there sure, he's not gonna be high on the depth chart and it won't be crazy to me if he gets cut (this is especially true if Geno takes the starting job which he really might with how he has performed...gotta speed up his reads though).
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Re: OT: Buy or Sell: Jets will be 8-8 or better this season 

Post#103 » by SaveUsKP6 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:27 pm

j4remi wrote:
ShumpShump wrote:You're nuts if you don't think Braylon will make the team. He showed he still has plenty left in the tank at the end of last year and really, my point was about the run blocking ability. We aren't going to get it from Winslow, but if you line up Braylon at WR, you have a VERY good run blocking receiver to pick up Winslow's slack.

He's also apparently in the best shape he's been in since 2010, which is the best shape he was in his entire career.


So he says. Just going over training camp notes, his name hasn't shown up at all. Kerley, Hill and Gates are getting all the shine. Holmes is on his way back and there are other guys trying to get healthy who could overtake him too. Edwards could get in there sure, he's not gonna be high on the depth chart and it won't be crazy to me if he gets cut (this is especially true if Geno takes the starting job which he really might with how he has performed...gotta speed up his reads though).


I just can't see any way that Braylon doesn't make the team. He's been on a "pitch count" at camp which is why you aren't hearing much of him. He's had some nice grabs through the first few days. And again, his run blocking ability is probably the best of any WR on our roster right now. Hill/Edwards/Kerley should be our starters with Gates playing a big role. Braylon is probably the best route runner too. Huge for a young QB's confidence.
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Re: OT: Buy or Sell: Jets will be 8-8 or better this season 

Post#104 » by SelbyCobra » Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:48 pm

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DatNYKnicka wrote:What do you guys think about Geno? Reports are saying that he looks more impressive than Sanchez so far. Do you think he is the future of the franchise?


Hard to tell until the game actually starts.

The concerns with Smith has never been about talent (he's got loads), its with his makeup and handling of pressure. Hes kinda like JR Smith a little in the sense of, here's this really talented guy that may not be able to consistently maximize his talent.

But he can't possibly do any worse than Sanchez so anything out of Smith will likely look like a godsend to Jet fans.

Fingers crossed.


Moo, I get what you're saying about maximizing talent, but Smith is nothing like JR in that sense. Have a read at this article from the NY Times from about a year ago when he was still at WVU:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/29/sport ... d=all&_r=0

From across the room, the teacher heard 3-year-old Geno Smith read a children’s book aloud.

“Once upon a time, there was a little boy ...” Smith began, mimicking his grandmother’s bouncing intonation, sureness in his voice. Her colorful stories often started that way, the same as when she read to him, cradling him on her knee, conditioning his imagination.

Now seeing the pictures, conjuring his own rendition of the words, Smith announced a new tale proudly. The teacher hurried over, alarmed by the story’s elaborate details. She grabbed the book and learned the truth: the young boy could not read yet. He had made it all up.

A visionary, he was called. After taking an intelligence test, he was labeled gifted. If his mother wished, Smith could have skipped a grade. She decided against it, preferring he mature with his peers — a notion that did not go as planned, considering Smith often grew bored after finishing his schoolwork faster than most of his classmates.

“His visions of things have always been beyond his years,” Tracey Sellers said of her son, who is now West Virginia’s quarterback and a serious Heisman Trophy contender for the ninth-ranked Mountaineers (3-0), who host No. 25 Baylor (3-0) on Saturday.

Sellers gave birth to Geno at 17, and until he turned 4, they lived in Miami with her mother, Mosetta Bratton. Bratton watched Geno during the day, while Sellers finished her schooling. In those early years, Bratton “raised all of us,” Sellers said, “because we were young.”

Grouped with other students classified as gifted, Smith was taught an advanced curriculum emphasizing creativity and the arts. He wrote stories and poetry, acted in the school’s production of “The Nutcracker” and competed in chess tournaments. In fifth grade, he won an oratorical contest reciting work by the poet Langston Hughes. But he enjoyed sketching cartoon characters the most.

A critic and an ally, Smith’s grandmother exhibited his artwork on the refrigerator. She expected quality in whatever he did, but displayed anything he made.

With an impressive portfolio by seventh grade, Smith was admitted to Norland Middle School’s magnet program, which dedicated two hours a day to arts instruction. There, Smith thrived, drawing with pencils and charcoal. Painting with pastels and acrylic paints required touch, foresight and patience. Minor mistakes could nullify hours of work. No matter what tools he employed, he was a perfectionist.

“He was an extremely talented student with a natural drawing ability,” Gerald Obregon wrote in an e-mail. For two years, he and another teacher, Linda Atkinson, were Smith’s art instructors. Obregon added: “The quality of his drawings was more advanced than your average 13-, 14-year-old. It was actually on par with a college freshman in art school.”

Smith’s observation skills were particularly profound; he could capture the subtleties and emotions of the human face, Atkinson said. He drew details that some older artists overlooked or lacked the skill to portray. What jumped out were his characters’ eyes, which seemed lifelike.

But as high school neared, Smith left assignments unfinished, rarely interacting with his teachers.

“His priorities were different,” Obregon said. At about that time, Smith won back-to-back youth football championship games played in the Orange Bowl. Soon, Smith passed on his admission to the New World School of the Arts to play football at Miramar High School.

Briefly, football had served as an extracurricular activity, but now the field was his canvas. When Smith was 9, his uncle Antwan Sellers took him to the park while his mother worked.

Sellers, with knowledge gleaned from watching YouTube videos of Tom Brady, instructed Smith on his footwork, the proper way to drop back, hand off and roll out. Smith’s long, lean build lent itself to playing quarterback. From then, Smith obsessed about the details the position required.

His mother, however, insisted he manage his personal life before those of his sport. Sellers demanded a tidy room and a made bed. Smith was required to perform a number of household chores, and Sellers screened his friends, making sure they were of solid character.

Smith’s grandmother saved the newspaper clippings detailing his athletic exploits, but critiqued him as well, according to Sellers, saying things like: “You did good, but you stayed in the pocket too long. Get out the pocket!”

This helped her grandson develop an exacting nature. “If it’s not right, I’m not just going to leave it alone,” Smith said. “I want things to be right and be perfect.” With football, as in his art, the result needed to be “exactly the way you wanted it to come out, or how you’ve seen it in your mind.”

Smith started for four years at Miramar.

“His demeanor never changed,” said his coach, Damon Cogdell, who once suspended Smith for being late to practice, and pushed him to become a leader. “I could chew him out and bark at him, and some kids they would go in a shell. He never did, just stayed up, firm and high.”

In high school, when Smith’s mind wandered, he doodled cartoons and football players, said Stedman Bailey, who played wide receiver at Miramar and now plays at West Virginia.

Obregon said that Smith’s choosing football over the arts “doesn’t mean that his artistic journey is over yet.”

Football offered a more immediate gratification. When it came to college, the probability of playing time helped Smith choose West Virginia over Louisiana State and Alabama. He sat his freshman year behind Jarrett Brown, a fifth-year senior.

Smith had expected to be overwhelmed by the pace of the college game. Quite the opposite: everyone else appeared to be stuck in slow motion, he said. He thought to himself: this game isn’t really as hard as people make it seem to be.

But in Miami, his grandmother’s health was becoming a concern. By November of that year, her kidneys were failing.

Smith started as a sophomore in 2010, and led the Mountaineers to nine victories. When Coach Dana Holgorsen arrived in 2011 with his Air Raid offense, Smith threw for 4,385 yards, fourth most in the country. The Air Raid — predicated on matching a dozen route combinations to get receivers in open space — required a quarterback with a certain mental capacity, Holgorsen said. At Miramar, Smith had designed his own plays. Now, some opponents begged Smith to ease up. On a given snap, Smith read defenses, forecast which receivers would be open, felt pressure, counted time using an internal clock, faked to the options he knew were futile and found an open receiver and led him to an empty pocket of grass.

“On the field, he’s visualizing,” his mother said. “It’s like a puzzle, his masterpiece.”

His grandmother, though, was not fit enough to watch him in person. Bratton was treated with dialysis, and her health prevented her from traveling. Then, in January, West Virginia was set to play in the Orange Bowl against Clemson, and his grandmother felt well enough to attend.

Eight months later, she died. Smith spoke at her funeral and urged his family to stay strong with their matriarch gone. At some point, this kind of maturity became typical of Smith. “As a man, you have to do those things,” he said.

In January, with her in the stands, Smith had played the game of his life in the Orange Bowl. He threw for 6 touchdowns and 407 yards. West Virginia won, 70-33, and afterward Smith leapt into Bratton’s arms, hugged her and kissed her.

For Bratton — who had nurtured his imagination, adored his art and been his biggest fan — it was the confirmation she never needed: in football or in art, he would surpass her expectations.

Into the night, sureness in her voice, she had shouted: “I knew it! I knew it!”
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Re: OT: Buy or Sell: Jets will be 8-8 or better this season 

Post#105 » by Barcs » Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:57 pm

It's funny how easily you can tell the Giants fans from the Jets fans on here. Giants fans are mostly just regurgitating what the media and beat writers have been highlighting about the Jets, while Jets fans are actually talking about the positions and the talent to fill them.
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Re: OT: Buy or Sell: Jets will be 8-8 or better this season 

Post#106 » by SaveUsKP6 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:32 pm

Barcs wrote:It's funny how easily you can tell the Giants fans from the Jets fans on here. Giants fans are mostly just regurgitating what the media and beat writers have been highlighting about the Jets, while Jets fans are actually talking about the positions and the talent to fill them.


Partial truth, but what's funny this year is the beat writers don't have much negative to say, other than Cimini who makes mountains out of molehills on the reg. Reports have been pretty positive, mostly because the team has looked good. It's just camp, but still, like I said... it beats hearing about how BAD the team looks in "just camp".
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Re: OT: Buy or Sell: Jets will be 8-8 or better this season 

Post#107 » by SaveUsKP6 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:07 pm

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/pat-k ... motivation

• Rebuild on defense: How many teams clean house on defense when they are ranked No. 8 in the NFL? The Jets will replace their nose tackle, a defensive end, an outside linebacker, an inside linebacker, and both safeties. On top of that they probably will have a new cornerback and outside linebacker. Imagine a defense with eight of 11 new players. After watching practice, the Jets could be better than last year, even with all the new players.
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Re: OT: Buy or Sell: Jets will be 8-8 or better this season 

Post#108 » by KnIcKsYaNkSmEtS1127 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:50 pm

Fischella wrote:One of the worst offenses in pro football, they'll have another top10 pick in the upcoming Draft for sure.

They need a difference maker in offense badly, Tavon Austin would've been sensational for them, sadly the Rams took him before.

The upgrades at RB and the O line alone make this post very very uninformed. Sanchez sucked we know that he also had no help with injured rbs o line wr and tight ends. This year they upgraded at RB and O line. He actually will have protection when he drops back.(I want Geno to start but regardless of who does this team will be better.)
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Re: OT: Buy or Sell: Jets will be 8-8 or better this season 

Post#109 » by moocow007 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:54 pm

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DatNYKnicka wrote:What do you guys think about Geno? Reports are saying that he looks more impressive than Sanchez so far. Do you think he is the future of the franchise?


Hard to tell until the game actually starts.

The concerns with Smith has never been about talent (he's got loads), its with his makeup and handling of pressure. Hes kinda like JR Smith a little in the sense of, here's this really talented guy that may not be able to consistently maximize his talent.

But he can't possibly do any worse than Sanchez so anything out of Smith will likely look like a godsend to Jet fans.

Fingers crossed.


Moo, I get what you're saying about maximizing talent, but Smith is nothing like JR in that sense. Have a read at this article from the NY Times from about a year ago when he was still at WVU:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/29/sport ... d=all&_r=0


No, missed that one. Interesting read. Let's hope so.
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Re: OT: Buy or Sell: Jets will be 8-8 or better this season 

Post#110 » by kinein » Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:02 pm

This is the year of the Tank. The greatest battle will be the die-hard Sanchez fans vs those that want real change, but Smith is a rookie and he doesn't have the same defense and RB as Sanchez did during his earlier seasons.

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Re: OT: Buy or Sell: Jets will be 8-8 or better this season 

Post#111 » by KnicksJunkie » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:48 pm

I think that the Jets are being slept on this coming season. We bottomed out last year. If Geno Smith starts, we will have improved play at the QB position; something that shouldn't be all that difficult to do seeing as how Sanchez was historically bad last year. The defense should be good again, which shouldn't surprise seeing as how they have been every year that Rex has been head coach.

Offense

Geno Smith isn't Mark Sanchez
--Has a history of protecting the ball, better athleticism, bigger arm

Marty Ball
--The Jets haven't had a good offensive coordinator in a decade. Marty brings a west coast offense that has historically been good and should be rookie QB friendly.

Developing WRs
--Stephen Hill looks good so far in camp and appears to be picking up the offense well. He was a standout at the combine last year, but his transition from a triple option running offense at Georgia Tech to the NFL created some serious growing pains last year. The talent is there, and with a healthier campaign we may see some big plays from him. Jeremy Kerley quietly had a nice season last year despite all of the struggles of Sanchez. He is still a young player and the WCO would seem to fit his skill set like a glove.

Improved Offensive Line?
--Despite several reports suggesting the Jets OL graded out well last year, they certainly failed the eye test and definitely were an area where improvement is needed. Fortunately, the Jets seem to be set at 3/5 of the line with Ferguson, Mangold, and Howard (who had a very impressive season last year in his first as a full time player). The two most troublesome spots, the guards, are both gone. Slauson played injured/ineffective most of the last two years and age seemed to get the best of Brandon Moore last year. While we do not yet know for sure who will start at these positions, the depth is there at Guard this year with the additions of veterans Willie Colon, Stephen Peterman, and in-house/drafted talent in Brian Winters, Oday Aboushi, Vlad Ducasse, and William Campbell. How well this group gels and plays will be determined in the months ahead, but what cannot be argued is that there is helluva lot more playable depth on the O-Line than in years previous.

Defense

Potential Breakout Defensive Line
--With 3 First Round picks invested in this year's DL, the Jets could boast one of the most talented young lines in football. There is some serious athleticism at work here along with schematic versatility which should allow us to switch defenses without having to sub; a huge key against teams like the Patriots who run fast-tempo offenses.

Improved Speed at Linebacker
--The speed and age at the Linebacker position couldn't be much more apparent than it was last year. With the exodus of Bart Scott and Bryan Thomas, those concerns should be lessened this season. Demario Davis will be replacing Scott, and should help in pass defense with his speed. There has been talk about seeing last year's first rounder, Quinton Coples, standing up as an OLB more often this season. Antwan Barnes, a reserve pass rusher in San Diego the past few years, should help with the pass rush. The past few seasons he has put up impressive pass rush number in limited chances. The Jets hope that his athleticism and talent will produce with more playing opportunity. What the Jets lack in experience at LB, they will be looking to make up for in athletic talent; pretty much the exact opposite of their approach last year.

New Look Secondary
--Everyone wants to talk about how the Jets will struggle to replace Revis, but no one mentions the fact that the secondary played pretty damn well without him last year. Cromartie stepped up as a leader in the back and had a career year. Dee Milliner was by far the best CB in this year's draft and should complement Cromartie nicely on the opposite side. Kyle Wilson had an up-and-down season playing out of his comfort zone on the outside; an issue that should be alleviated this year with his return back inside. The CBs are much more set in stone than the Safety position. Dawan Landry knows Rex's defense from his time in Baltimore and has put together a very solid career elsewhere. Antonio Allen, Jaiquan Jarrett, and Josh Bush are all young guys vying for the other starting S spot. They are all talented, but inexperienced; time will tell with these guys.

All in all, pretty much everything that could have gone wrong last year did, yet the Jets still found a way to win 6 games. It is reasonable to expect the defense to play better this year than last, and they were at least solid last year. The offense is where the big question marks, but Geno Smith is promising and if we do not turn the ball over like drunken sailors again we stand a good chance to be in a lot of games this year. I set the floor at 6-10, but would not be surprised at all if we sneak out an 8-8 year and save Rex's job.
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Re: OT: Buy or Sell: Jets will be 8-8 or better this season 

Post#112 » by kNicksGmen » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:51 pm

the pats shouldn't be that great this year, but still likely 11-5 or better. the dolphins seem to have improved and who knows about the bills.

it's really hard to predict records in the NFL in general. i think the jets will be around 7-9.

my giants on the other hand.... 19-0 winning the superbowl at home in NY :D
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Re: OT: Buy or Sell: Jets will be 8-8 or better this season 

Post#113 » by KnIcKsYaNkSmEtS1127 » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:13 am

Sanchez went from having the most come from behind wins in his rookie and sophomore season I believe it was 14 but don't quote me to the most turnovers the past 2 years with 48. It's a shame this guy has regressed rather than progressed. I was a Sanchez guy hardcore but I was at the buttfumble game and that was the end of Sanchize. Sounds like Geno is turning alot of heads. I hope he is the starter it would be nice to go to an opener where we had some juices flowing not waiting to boo Sanchez and hoping Revis saves the game.(ie vs Tony Romo 2 years ago)
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Re: OT: Buy or Sell: Jets will be 8-8 or better this season 

Post#114 » by Nostrand Ave » Mon Aug 5, 2013 1:45 am

Lotta people will look silly when the season starts. Yall forgot that Bills and Dolphins are in the AFC East

Oh wait, this got moved from the Knicks forum. LOL

Guess this is my first time here. Greetings Jets brothers.

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