OT: Buy or Sell: Jets will be 8-8 or better this season

[j4remi]

I see the Jets as a 5-6 win team, 7 or 8 wins being absolutely best case type of scenario and they would need either Geno to play and play a lot and have a Cam Newton or Russel Wilson type of rookie season or Sanchez to have a career season.

I actually think their best bet for a successful season is the running game and defense to take the ball out of either QB's hands for the majority of games.

[SaveUsKP6]

The defense won't allow us to win less than 6 wins. They are going to be good, real good. Improved from last season. Sheldon Richardson has been a beast so far in camp, Wilk is waiting to break out and Coples dropping weight and playing on the edge might be the best thing for him. Also, don't sleep on Antwan Barnes. Last time he was healthy, he had double digit sacks I believe.

[SelbyCobra]

8-8?! That's the highest O/U I've seen on this team, with many in the media predicting them as the worst team in the league.

I think the idea that they'll be one of the worst teams in the league is way off, because I think the defense is actually going to be improved this year - they're younger, faster, and are going to be more dynamic. The d-line has the potential to be beastly, and Rex is going to be focusing his attention there exclusively.

That said, I think 8-8 or 9-7 is the very upper end of reasonably expected success for this season. Unless Sanchez improbably develops, Geno is ready right out of the box, or Marty's system covers the flaws of either, offense will be a problem. Thankfully they've added a guy like Ivory, and Gates looks long-shot-promising, but there's just not enough established, above average talent at skill positions to make any lofty record expectations reasonable here in the preseason.

[moocow007]

8-8?! That's the highest O/U I've seen on this team, with many in the media predicting them as the worst team in the league.

I think the idea that they'll be one of the worst teams in the league is way off, because I think the defense is actually going to be improved this year - they're younger, faster, and are going to be more dynamic. The d-line has the potential to be beastly, and Rex is going to be focusing his attention there exclusively.

That said, I think 8-8 or 9-7 is the very upper end of reasonably expected success for this season. Unless Sanchez improbably develops, Geno is ready right out of the box, or Marty's system covers the flaws of either, offense will be a problem. Thankfully they've added a guy like Ivory, and Gates looks long-shot-promising, but there's just not enough established, above average talent at skill positions to make any lofty record expectations reasonable here in the preseason.

I'd be amazed if they can win 8 games much less more than 8. Sanchez and Smith will be the keys to any shot at going about .500. The defense isn't going to win them more than 8 games if they can't get anything real substantial out of their QB. Sanchez I have absolutely no faith in so Smith better be the goods.

[Daaaarryyl]

I hope good enough NOT to get Johnny Football and his OVERRATED butt.

Me want Bridgewater

And the thread should read "Jets will be 6-10 or better", not 8-8.

No offensive play makers, no QB. New ST coach.

Yeah, the D may be OK, or even pretty good.

But I don't see the Jets winning a lot of games 6 to 3.

[moocow007]

I hope good enough NOT to get Johnny Football and his OVERRATED butt.

Me want Bridgewater

And the thread should read "Jets will be 6-10 or better", not 8-8.

No offensive play makers, no QB. New ST coach.

Yeah, the D may be OK, or even pretty good.

But I don't see the Jets winning a lot of games 6 to 3.

Me neither.

It's still a very young defensive line and the secondary lost their best CB and best S. Cromartie, Miliner and Wilson may still turn out to be a top flight trio at CB but their safety situation isn't so good. Sure Ryan and Thurman can work to mask that weakness but that would put even more pressure on other guys on the defensive side of the ball to cover. The defense should be a plus (hard not to be) but I don't think it's a plus enough to will them to many 6-3 type wins.

[Knicksfan20]

6-10

[MaseInYourFace]

I see the Jets as a 5-6 win team, 7 or 8 wins being absolutely best case type of scenario and they would need either Geno to play and play a lot and have a Cam Newton or Russel Wilson type of rookie season or Sanchez to have a career season.

I actually think their best bet for a successful season is the running game and defense to take the ball out of either QB's hands for the majority of games.

I don't think you can play like that in NFL anymore. Passing game is too important.

[j4remi]

I see the Jets as a 5-6 win team, 7 or 8 wins being absolutely best case type of scenario and they would need either Geno to play and play a lot and have a Cam Newton or Russel Wilson type of rookie season or Sanchez to have a career season.

I actually think their best bet for a successful season is the running game and defense to take the ball out of either QB's hands for the majority of games.

I don't think you can play like that in NFL anymore. Passing game is too important.

If you have the defense to keep the opponents from killing you in the air, then you can still win with a steady ground attack supplemented by play action deep hits...the problem is Sanchez can't do that and it looks like the rook hasn't gotten adjusted to reading blitzes pre-snap yet (not at a pro level at least). From the sound of things though, Geno's got the arm to be effective in an offense like that and has thrived in pistol-like plays as well...so if you add that dimension to a strong ground game with an elite defense (this is the truly tough one), then you may have something special. I think this year will be about growth from all the young guys, next offseason will retool the skill positions (Gates sounds like he may be a stud but it's way too early), and three seasons from now will be the one where Jets fan are talking about Super Bowl hope again.

[KnIcKsYaNkSmEtS1127]

I think the thing that people are overlooking is the fact that the AFC minus the Broncos is pretty mediocre. I don't think for certain you can say the Ravens are better than last year too much turnover. Patriots are going to be worse. Any other stand outs? The Steelers ehh not scared off too much O line problems defense is getting old. Bengals don't scare me. I think people are asking Way too much of the dolphins to be a competitive team. The NFC is beastly but the AFC is extremely average.

[Jeff Van Gully]

sell. 7-9 would be best case scenario for this team, even in the weak AFC.

[Nostrand Ave]

It all comes down to QB. Kearley, Edwards and Hill are fine, as long as the QB and running game are good.
It all comes down to Geno Smith and I have a good feeling that this kid is legit.

He looks great in training camp so far. He has a lively ball, quick release and is extremely confident (a must for NFL QBs).
All of the veterans on the team are very impressed with Geno Smith so far. The video of him so far looks great. You can see the difference between him and Mr. buttfumble already. A much better arm and better foot work already.

Hill is fine?

[SaveUsKP6]

I hope good enough NOT to get Johnny Football and his OVERRATED butt.

Me want Bridgewater

And the thread should read "Jets will be 6-10 or better", not 8-8.

No offensive play makers, no QB. New ST coach.

Yeah, the D may be OK, or even pretty good.

But I don't see the Jets winning a lot of games 6 to 3.

Me neither.

It's still a very young defensive line and the secondary lost their best CB and best S. Cromartie, Miliner and Wilson may still turn out to be a top flight trio at CB but their safety situation isn't so good. Sure Ryan and Thurman can work to mask that weakness but that would put even more pressure on other guys on the defensive side of the ball to cover. The defense should be a plus (hard not to be) but I don't think it's a plus enough to will them to many 6-3 type wins.

Eric Smith was terrible. And by the numbers, Dawan was a better safety than LaRon (I can find them for you somewhere if you want to check them out, can't find them at the moment). I actually think moving Wilson to S is going to HELP the safety situation. He's got the speed and strength to be a very good ballhawking safety. He needs the play to be in front of him. We'll see how the Landry swap works out, but I also think Antonio Allen is going to be a player in this league. Thought it since before we drafted him last year.

All foresight really, but I don't buy into "the D got worse" at all.

[j4remi]

Hill is fine?

Apparently he's been having a really good TC so far and Gates is outshining him as well. Both guys are big speedy receivers, so one of them working out would be a big help and both would be a major gain for the team.

[NY Knicka]

The Jets will have amazing Defense but an awful Offense. My vote is 7-9. I wish they would just tank for Clowney but of course that wont happen.

[SelbyCobra]

A small point, but one that irks me when I see it over and over this preseason:

The defense did not lose their best CB. Cromartie is still on the team. Revis played 2 games last year and the Jets were the 8th ranked overall defense in the NFL via Yards allowed per game, and 9th via DVOA if you want to go next level statistically.

If you look at just passing defense, the Jets ranked 8th in the NFL in yards allowed per passing attempt by the opposition. They were a pretty solid defense last year, and this year they have Rex fulltime. Plus they've added two high-end pieces in Richardson and Milliner, a pass rusher like Barnes, and lost only Landry. If Wilson can transition to safety, they should be noticeably better than last year's solid showing.

[KnIcKsYaNkSmEtS1127]

Me want Bridgewater

And the thread should read "Jets will be 6-10 or better", not 8-8.

No offensive play makers, no QB. New ST coach.

Yeah, the D may be OK, or even pretty good.

But I don't see the Jets winning a lot of games 6 to 3.

Me neither.

It's still a very young defensive line and the secondary lost their best CB and best S. Cromartie, Miliner and Wilson may still turn out to be a top flight trio at CB but their safety situation isn't so good. Sure Ryan and Thurman can work to mask that weakness but that would put even more pressure on other guys on the defensive side of the ball to cover. The defense should be a plus (hard not to be) but I don't think it's a plus enough to will them to many 6-3 type wins.

Eric Smith was terrible. And by the numbers, Dawan was a better safety than LaRon (I can find them for you somewhere if you want to check them out, can't find them at the moment). I actually think moving Wilson to S is going to HELP the safety situation. He's got the speed and strength to be a very good ballhawking safety. He needs the play to be in front of him. We'll see how the Landry swap works out, but I also think Antonio Allen is going to be a player in this league. Thought it since before we drafted him last year.

All foresight really, but I don't buy into "the D got worse" at all.

Excellent point about Kyle Wilson he really got exposed last year as CB. Once receivers got past him it was off to the races. I think S is a much better position for him.

[MaseInYourFace]

I think this has potential to be second best D Rex has had during his time here.

[SaveUsKP6]

I think this has potential to be second best D Rex has had during his time here.

I think it could be the best. A lot depends on Richardson, but his versatility could put this D over the top. If he can either a.) provide a consistent pass rush or more likely b.) cause enough chaos in the middle with Wilk to open things up for Coples, we could be very dangerous.

[moocow007]

Me want Bridgewater

And the thread should read "Jets will be 6-10 or better", not 8-8.

No offensive play makers, no QB. New ST coach.

Yeah, the D may be OK, or even pretty good.

But I don't see the Jets winning a lot of games 6 to 3.

Me neither.

It's still a very young defensive line and the secondary lost their best CB and best S. Cromartie, Miliner and Wilson may still turn out to be a top flight trio at CB but their safety situation isn't so good. Sure Ryan and Thurman can work to mask that weakness but that would put even more pressure on other guys on the defensive side of the ball to cover. The defense should be a plus (hard not to be) but I don't think it's a plus enough to will them to many 6-3 type wins.

Eric Smith was terrible. And by the numbers, Dawan was a better safety than LaRon (I can find them for you somewhere if you want to check them out, can't find them at the moment). I actually think moving Wilson to S is going to HELP the safety situation. He's got the speed and strength to be a very good ballhawking safety. He needs the play to be in front of him. We'll see how the Landry swap works out, but I also think Antonio Allen is going to be a player in this league. Thought it since before we drafted him last year.

All foresight really, but I don't buy into "the D got worse" at all.

Everything you are suggesting is foresight and hypothetical. Yes, I'm wishing for the best, just like you, but the problem is that Ryan's defensive systems are not easy to pick up. That's why not every team can do it and why it's been so successful. It's not easy to ask 1st and 2nd years guys to pick it up and it will take time. Some won't. I know you are getting defensive about criticism of the team but the reality is that this is a very young defense and you don't replace most of your secondary and expect everything to pick right back up. You've got Coples trying to learn a new position. You've got a new 1st year player in Richardson. You've got a 1st year player in Miliner. And now you have a guy that really didn't live up to his draft billing at CB moving to a new position as well. Things can go right. Things can not. They lost the better Landry. It's hardly a guarantee that the defense will be the same much less better. And young inexperienced defenses aren't likely to consistently hold teams to a touchdown a game.