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Post#41 » by Manhattan Project » Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:33 am

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I don't think so. Everyone says Al Davis is weird enough to take him even after signing Fargas long term.

That and us signing Chatman. That makes three with TJ and Leon.


I think at this point it is best for this franchise to just to trade down. Chris Long and Vernon Gholston dont want to be in a 3-4 or be the OLB in it. Jake Long is the only other player I would consider and thats if he is still there. McFadden is probably going to be nabbed before we pick. Lets trade down so we can get Groves and either a WR or a falling CB or OL.
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Post#42 » by moocow007 » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:08 pm

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I think at this point it is best for this franchise to just to trade down. Chris Long and Vernon Gholston dont want to be in a 3-4 or be the OLB in it. Jake Long is the only other player I would consider and thats if he is still there. McFadden is probably going to be nabbed before we pick. Lets trade down so we can get Groves and either a WR or a falling CB or OL.


I'm pretty Chris Long played exclusively in a 3-4 in college so he should be used to it.

Gholston said during interviews at the combine that he'd be ok with either since he's played both and (in his infinite self confidence) because he "can play both positions". Gholston also works out with the Pats Pro-Bowl OLB Mike Vrabel during the offseason and has said that he can definitely see him being able to do what Vrabel does. And NE plays a 3-4 as well. If sacks are what he's interested in (from the sounds of it), Mike Vrabel had 12.5 sacks this past season so it's not only the DE's that are in a position to rack up double digit sacks. And I'm sure he'd realize that with Calvin Pace and David Harris (two guys that will draw plenty of attention from opposing teams) back there with him that he should get plenty of opportunities to get his shots in.

To which...adding Gholston as a pass rushing OLB to Pace and Harris would give the Jets a potentially devastating trio of LB's. With the addition of Jenkins in the middle of the defensive line next to Shaun Ellis, if Bryan Thomas can regain his 2006 form the Jets defensive front 7 could make some serious noise and be a force once again.

I don't think the Jets right now can afford to trade down. They need a potential impact player and Gholston could give them a pass rushing fiend that they've lacked since John Abraham (who he has actually been compared to in terms of impact) was healthy.

We have to realize that Gholston hasn't played football long and is still learning so what he's done at Ohio State is really just a sampling of the whole of what he can become...which is a game changer. And Gholston is both confident (some say arrogant), a workout fiend and a guy that has a flat out non-stop motor. He just keeps coming at you and coming at you and coming at you with that massive, athletic body. Really him and David Harris would just be a dandy to behold IMHO.

And to top off an already phenominally impressive combine, Gholston went and topped himself during the recent Pro Day by recording an unbelievable 4.58 in the 40 and a 42 inch vertical. That's for a guy that is 6'4" and almost 270lbs. Puts him in the Mario Williams range (and Mario was taken 1st overall).

There's even talk now that he could go by the 2nd pick to the Rams who were blown away by his workouts.
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Post#43 » by Manhattan Project » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:20 pm

I'm pretty Chris Long played exclusively in a 3-4 in college so he should be used to it.


During his workouts he has said that he wanted to play in a 3-4 system, whether or not that happens remains to be seen but thats what he said.

Gholston said during interviews at the combine that he'd be ok with either since he's played both and (in his infinite self confidence) because he "can play both positions". Gholston also works out with the Pats Pro-Bowl OLB Mike Vrabel during the offseason and has said that he can definitely see him being able to do what Vrabel does. And NE plays a 3-4 as well. If sacks are what he's interested in (from the sounds of it), Mike Vrabel had 12.5 sacks this past season so it's not only the DE's that are in a position to rack up double digit sacks. And I'm sure he'd realize that with Calvin Pace and David Harris (two guys that will draw plenty of attention from opposing teams) back there with him that he should get plenty of opportunities to get his shots in.


I heard that he wanted to play DE strictly, maybe I heard wrong though. Vrabel also moved positions last year though to do acquisition of Thomas, it allowed Vrabel to play his natural position. However also looking into that they have two perfect fits on the line in Seymour and Wilfork, whether Coleman and Jenkins can provide that is also unknown. Also though Im not yet to forget Bryan Thomas he can pass rush with the best of them. Im just hoping that he didnt do that just to get the contract.

To which...adding Gholston as a pass rushing OLB to Pace and Harris would give the Jets a potentially devastating trio of LB's. With the addition of Jenkins in the middle of the defensive line next to Shaun Ellis, if Bryan Thomas can regain his 2006 form the Jets defensive front 7 could make some serious noise and be a force once again.


Like said it all depends on how Jenkins handles the position. Plus if Coleman starts this year we can have two solid positions. Again Bryan Thomas is the x factor to me.

I don't think the Jets right now can afford to trade down. They need a potential impact player and Gholston could give them a pass rushing fiend that they've lacked since John Abraham (who he has actually been compared to in terms of impact) was healthy.


I think with the money given out to both Pace and Thomas that the Jets are going to wait one more year. Next year there are two perfect ILB for this team.

We have to realize that Gholston hasn't played football long and is still learning so what he's done at Ohio State is really just a sampling of the whole of what he can become...which is a game changer. And Gholston is both confident (some say arrogant), a workout fiend and a guy that has a flat out non-stop motor. He just keeps coming at you and coming at you and coming at you with that massive, athletic body. Really him and David Harris would just be a dandy to behold IMHO.

And to top off an already phenominally impressive combine, Gholston went and topped himself during the recent Pro Day by recording an unbelievable 4.58 in the 40 and a 42 inch vertical. That's for a guy that is 6'4" and almost 270lbs. Puts him in the Mario Williams range (and Mario was taken 1st overall).


I think you combine all of those and you see Gholston gone before our pick. With his workouts and the fact he actually put up numbers he is gone before the sixth pick. However Chris Long will make a strong case for the top spot.
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Post#44 » by treiz » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:43 pm

I still believe that we need to trade down, although I agree with moocow about needing an impact player, I believe that we have sort of filled that need, we need to trade down and get 2 players in the draft, with at least one being an impact player, I'm hoping for something like Harvey/Groves/Merling/DRC/Flowers in the first. I still say we need to make a move for the Cowboys' picks.
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Post#45 » by joen212 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:55 pm

being that teams that pick before us have their RB, if Mcfadden were to drop to us which is quite possible would u want the FO to draft him or us to trade down?
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Post#46 » by moocow007 » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:57 pm

joen212 wrote:being that teams that pick before us have their RB, if Mcfadden were to drop to us which is quite possible would u want the FO to draft him or us to trade down?


I think you got to draft him.

Doesn't matter if the Jets already have Jones and Washington and signed Chatman. McFadden is one of those franchise backs and could do wonders to take the pressure off of whomever the QB is or ends up being.

I wouldn't trade down unless you can be guaranteed to get the 2 guys you want (if you flip McFadden into Cromartie and Hardy).
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Post#47 » by treiz » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:09 pm

^I disagree, I still think that we can turn that pick into 2 players that could do wonders for us. If we can move down to the 20s and get a couple of extra picks in the 20-30 range, then that would be a great draft for us.

Imagine this:

First case scenario:
1st round (20-27)- DRC/Cason (in that order)
2nd round(1) - Hardy
2nd round(2) - Johnathan Goff
3rd round - Athubya Rubin

^Something like that would do wonders for our team.
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Post#48 » by Jose7 » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:39 am

My updated top 6

1- Chris Long
2- Darren McFadden
3- Vernon Gholston
4- Jake Long
5- Derrick Harvey
6- Matt Ryan/Glen Dorsey

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OAK- Darren McFadden
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OAK- Darren McFadden
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Post#49 » by treiz » Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:19 pm

^There's no way we're going to take Harvey, I think that if Gholston/Long are gone, then we're moving down
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Post#50 » by theknicks414 » Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:30 pm

i want mcfadden
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Post#51 » by Bay_Areas_Finest » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:33 pm

Raiders won't pass on Chris Long if he's there.
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Post#52 » by Flaming Mo » Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:51 am

I pray we don't waste a high pick on an average QB like Matt Ryan... seriously, why did we invest in Kellen Clemens then?!? Give him a year with a good oline and see what we got...
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Post#53 » by O Poutsokleftis » Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:12 pm

McFadden or Gholston will be Jet by the end of the day!
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Post#54 » by Fat Kat » Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:12 pm

I really don't want McFadden. Gholston or move down.
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Post#55 » by Jose7 » Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:32 pm

Gholston, I have a lot of doubts about.... I like McKelvin. Gholston or McKelvin im fine with either.
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Post#56 » by Flaming Mo » Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:33 pm

We can't pay that much again for a corner... man, I don't like Gholston either... TRADE DOWN!
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Post#57 » by Fat Kat » Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:38 pm

No to McKelvin. Way too early for him. I'm thinking Gholston.
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