OT: Buy or Sell: Jets will be 8-8 or better this season

SaveUsKP6 · Post #81 » by **SaveUsKP6** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:02 am

kinein wrote:No Revis.

No Holmes.

Who do they have?

Oh thats right ~ the Jets would get destroyed in the S EEEE CEEE

Can you imagine the Jets vs Alabama or Texas A&M? LAWL ~ LSU would eat this team for lunch.

Boy this is some valuable input here.

I_Love_NYK · Post #82 » by **I_Love_NYK** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:59 am

People under estimate the talent the Jets had at the offensive line in 2009 and 2010.

From left to right it was field with talent. Brick, Faneca, Mangold, Moore, Woody.

Give Eli that line he would have won 3 Superbowls by now.

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #83 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:24 am

Don't focus in the record this season because it will be ugly, focus on the development of the young guys and hope Geno is decent. This the initial stages of a rebuild.

Moose · Post #84 » by **Moose** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:32 am

6 wins?

After 4-6 games, I suggest the jets play Geno. We will probably squeeze out enough wins to miss out on bridgewater (definitely) and other top qbs, but we better know what we have in geno just in case we can grab a top qb prospect.

The defense seems pretty set. Have to add some linebackers and a safety, but next years draft the jets should focus on offense. Plus they'll have some solid cap space.

knickabocker88 · Post #85 » by **knickabocker88** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:45 am

Vegas has them at 6.5, I was gonna take the Over but I have to wait on who the QB is.

if they had Revis I'd pencil them in for 9 W's. Milner is gonna have some growing pains, every CB does. Make or break year for Kyle Wilson. Cro will play well.

Mo Wilkerson is already a problem, Coples is gonna be a Problem, Sheldon Richardson got some mean in him too.

If I was the Jets Start Sanchez; tank this year, Keep Rex, Draft Clowney.

aggo · Post #86 » by **aggo** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:54 am

im taking the under on 6.5 confidently

just look at who they lost on offense and defense from 2012 and how can anyone sit here with a straight face and say that the roster has improved?

Nostrand Ave · Post #87 » by **Nostrand Ave** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:19 am

AggO wrote:im taking the under on 6.5 confidently

just look at who they lost on offense and defense from 2012 and how can anyone sit here with a straight face and say that the roster has improved?

I think the Jets defense upgraded from last year (not counting the loss of Revis). We have more pass rush. Our corners should be fine.

Not sure who our safeties are however.

Mecca · Post #88 » by **Mecca** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:59 am

Yeah.. this is definitely a basketball forum LOL.

Geno>Sanchez (I've been at camp, trust me.)
Ivory>Greene
Goodson>Powell
Winslow>Cumblerland
Winters/Colon>Moore/Slauson
Richardson>Devito
Coples>McIntyre

Our only loss was swapping the Landry brothers..

This team is better than last years.. Very young and fast. I say anywhere between 7 to 9 wins.

Mecca · Post #89 » by **Mecca** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:00 am

Oh and the idiot that said we'd get swept in the SEC is smoking something..

Even the Jaguars/Raiders would cream the Crimson Tide.

Post #90 » by **j4remi** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:19 pm

AggO wrote:im taking the under on 6.5 confidently

just look at who they lost on offense and defense from 2012 and how can anyone sit here with a straight face and say that the roster has improved?

At least on the defensive side, they clearly improved to anyone that is a die hard Jets fan and sat through the garbage play last year. On offense, it's possible that they've improved but not by much...They have better RB's for sure, the young WR's are hopefully improving and the O-line's depth is better for sure but all of that pales in comparison to the whole "We have a real OC this year!" excitement.

The other thing to bare in mind is that the big names they lost either didn't play or were ineffective. Keller was injured nearly all season, same with Pouha and Revis is obvious...so acting like any of those guys being gone makes this team worse than last year is kind of a strawman's argument when they contributed so little. The biggest losses were the two safeties (in comparison to last year, not career trajectory or an all healthy scenario).

Greenie · Post #91 » by **Greenie** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:36 pm

Mecca wrote:Oh and the idiot that said we'd get swept in the SEC is smoking something..

Even the Jaguars/Raiders would cream the Crimson Tide.

This. It would be soooooooo NOT funny too. It would be literal slaughter.

Nostrand Ave · Post #92 » by **Nostrand Ave** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:15 pm

Did you guys see Milliner's sport science?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rQ81bZV7TY

From going through some of the comments Jets really dont look so bad. I feel more confident about my team.

SaveUsKP6 · Post #93 » by **SaveUsKP6** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:53 pm

j4remi wrote:
AggO wrote:im taking the under on 6.5 confidently

just look at who they lost on offense and defense from 2012 and how can anyone sit here with a straight face and say that the roster has improved?

At least on the defensive side, they clearly improved to anyone that is a die hard Jets fan and sat through the garbage play last year. On offense, it's possible that they've improved but not by much...They have better RB's for sure, the young WR's are hopefully improving and the O-line's depth is better for sure but all of that pales in comparison to the whole "We have a real OC this year!" excitement.

The other thing to bare in mind is that the big names they lost either didn't play or were ineffective. Keller was injured nearly all season, same with Pouha and Revis is obvious...so acting like any of those guys being gone makes this team worse than last year is kind of a strawman's argument when they contributed so little. The biggest losses were the two safeties (in comparison to last year, not career trajectory or an all healthy scenario).

All of this. Thank you for pointing out how much of a strawman people are putting up when it comes to "defense took a hit". We didn't have Revis for 99% of the year, Pouha did not deliver, DeVito was slow as molasses, and the beat goes on. We've upgraded, clearly, on the defensive side of the ball simply by staying healthy. Now can I say the same week 4? Who knows. But having guys on the field that can match the little production we got last season from the guys mentioned, that's a win.

Call me crazy too, but Winslow is going to be an upgrade over Keller simply, like I said, because he'll probably be on the field. Apparently he's looked pretty good in camp, better than years past. I think he knows this is it for him. I can see him producing in the WCO and landing a nice 2-3 year deal with us afterwards. I also think having Braylon for a full season will help the run game. Say what you want about the guy, but in week 17 last year, he was still blocking like a beast.

AllanHoustonFan · Post #94 » by **AllanHoustonFan** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:59 pm

JustaKnickFan · Post #95 » by **JustaKnickFan** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:14 pm

AggO wrote:im taking the under on 6.5 confidently

just look at who they lost on offense and defense from 2012 and how can anyone sit here with a straight face and say that the roster has improved?

They lost Holmes and Revis and still managed to win 6 games and have a top 10 defense. Now they gain the top CB in the draft, who is NFL ready and can move Wilson back to his nickle spot where he excels. They also upgrade their line with Richardson who, along with the rest of the Jets line, can already apply serious pressure to the QB. Their linebackers are also looking great, with Jets fans who've gone to the camp saying that Demario Davis is looking like the best ILB there.

On offense they improved their line a lot, and their 3nd round pick Winters is standing out. They go from Greene to Ivory which is a huge upgrade. Goodson is a gamble, but if he manages to play he is one of the best. playmakers at RB (averaging 5 yards a carry). As for the QB, if they managed to win 6 games with Sanchez playing at his absolute worst, they can only go up and Geno can take them up. Their WRs are young and are improving. Especially Stephen Hill and Clyde Gates, who are the early WR standouts from camp. They get Holmes back, too, so that's an upgrade.

If you think the roster hasn't improved, I'd seriously have to question your football knowledge.

Post #96 » by **j4remi** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:17 pm

ShumpShump wrote:
All of this. Thank you for pointing out how much of a strawman people are putting up when it comes to "defense took a hit". We didn't have Revis for 99% of the year, Pouha did not deliver, DeVito was slow as molasses, and the beat goes on. We've upgraded, clearly, on the defensive side of the ball simply by staying healthy. Now can I say the same week 4? Who knows. But having guys on the field that can match the little production we got last season from the guys mentioned, that's a win.

Call me crazy too, but Winslow is going to be an upgrade over Keller simply, like I said, because he'll probably be on the field. Apparently he's looked pretty good in camp, better than years past. I think he knows this is it for him. I can see him producing in the WCO and landing a nice 2-3 year deal with us afterwards. I also think having Braylon for a full season will help the run game. Say what you want about the guy, but in week 17 last year, he was still blocking like a beast.

Agree with everything except Braylon...I think Stephen Hill and Clyde Gates will be the deep threats ahead of Braylon who might not even make the team.

Post #97 » by **moocow007** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:19 pm

j4remi wrote:
ShumpShump wrote:
All of this. Thank you for pointing out how much of a strawman people are putting up when it comes to "defense took a hit". We didn't have Revis for 99% of the year, Pouha did not deliver, DeVito was slow as molasses, and the beat goes on. We've upgraded, clearly, on the defensive side of the ball simply by staying healthy. Now can I say the same week 4? Who knows. But having guys on the field that can match the little production we got last season from the guys mentioned, that's a win.

Call me crazy too, but Winslow is going to be an upgrade over Keller simply, like I said, because he'll probably be on the field. Apparently he's looked pretty good in camp, better than years past. I think he knows this is it for him. I can see him producing in the WCO and landing a nice 2-3 year deal with us afterwards. I also think having Braylon for a full season will help the run game. Say what you want about the guy, but in week 17 last year, he was still blocking like a beast.

Agree with everything except Braylon...I think Stephen Hill and Clyde Gates will be the deep threats ahead of Braylon who might not even make the team.

The problem is that Sanchez doesn't have the arm to throw deep...so we better hope Geno takes over at QB before too long.

No-Man · Post #98 » by **No-Man** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:39 pm

One of the worst offenses in pro football, they'll have another top10 pick in the upcoming Draft for sure.

They need a difference maker in offense badly, Tavon Austin would've been sensational for them, sadly the Rams took him before.

NY Knicka · Post #99 » by **NY Knicka** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:44 pm

What do you guys think about Geno? Reports are saying that he looks more impressive than Sanchez so far. Do you think he is the future of the franchise?

Post #100 » by **moocow007** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:52 pm

DatNYKnicka wrote:What do you guys think about Geno? Reports are saying that he looks more impressive than Sanchez so far. Do you think he is the future of the franchise?

Hard to tell until the game actually starts.

The concerns with Smith has never been about talent (he's got loads), its with his makeup and handling of pressure. Hes kinda like JR Smith a little in the sense of, here's this really talented guy that may not be able to consistently maximize his talent.

But he can't possibly do any worse than Sanchez so anything out of Smith will likely look like a godsend to Jet fans.

Fingers crossed.

Buy or Sell, Jets will be 8-8 or better