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Time to check the top 10 picks for next year 

Post#1 » by Flaming Mo » Mon Oct 1, 2007 4:16 pm

I'm being serious, with the jokes we call offensive and defensive lines we won't go anywhere this year. We have a lot of good players at the skill positions, most of them young, too. But we can't get any running game going and we can't stop anyone. The problems are known everywhere - no pass rush, no run D, no toughness...

I don't know about the 3-4 defense, it's fine if we would finally get some players who can play this scheme. No, I do not mean has been and backups like Bowens, Wadesworth and others we tried this summer. Time to open the checkbook and aquire some real players. I don't care how much a Terrell Suggs will cost in the summer, do everything to get him. We need impact players and guys who can play our D.

On offense it's the same problem - guys like Clarke or Clement shouldn't be starting in the NFL and definitely not for a playoff team (well, guess what, we are far from being one). Mangold and D'Brick will come around, both are good young players who already show a lot. But again, other teams are spending big time on true maulers yet we still sit their hoping that our 6th round pick develops in the starter. Maybe Bender will do well but hell, this can't be our plan for success. Chad Pennington, as much as I respect and like him, the season is over so give Clemens the chance. Move on...

Now let's take a look at some players who could really help us from next year's Draft. No skill positions, no secondary players - we need A LOT of help in the trenches. We have to draft players for our Oline and even more important for our front 7:

Quentin Groves, DE/OLB, Auburn, 6-3, 255 lbs
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Groves is a tremendous pass rusher off the edge and he lives in the backfield. Incredibly quick, he has been the biggest impact player on the Tigers defense. Perfect fit for the outside linebacker position.

Jasper Brinkley, MLB, South Carolina, 6-2, 262 lbs
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A tremendous and disrupting force at the linebacker position. He will miss the remainder of the season with a knee injury, either he will be a steal later in the draft or he might get a redshirt (not too familiar with his situation here).

Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU, 6-5, 295 lbs
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A gigantic presence on the defensive line. Has the size and strength to be a good 3-4 defensive end. He comes from a very pro oriented program and is part of one of the best defenses in the country.

Red Bryant, DT, Texas A&M, 6-4, 322 lbs
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I don't know but I'm sick of seeing DRob getting mauled of the line of scrimmage. Bryant is a huge kid and could be groomed into the role of the NT even though it's risky to fill that position with a higher pick.

Derrick Harvey, DE/OLB, Florida, 6-4, 266 lbs
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Had a tremendous showing in last year's championship game. He can get after the quaterback with the best of them and is athletic enough to help against the run.

I would also mention Glenn Dorsey but I'm not sure if he can put on as much weight as he would need to do for the 3-4... otherwise of course he's a beast.
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Post#2 » by Next Coming » Mon Oct 1, 2007 5:13 pm

I'd have to agree with you Mo. One of the bigger problems with the Jets is that they don't have the type of players that fit their system.

Jon Vilma would be a top 5 MLB if he played for the Bills, Colts, Bucs because he fits that Cover 2 style. He's not a 3-4 ILB.

The Jets got away with it last year with an easy schedule and every player is motivated when the team hires a new coach but it just doesn't work in Year 2.

I really like some of the suggestions you've made with Tyson Jackson, Quentin Groves, Red Bryant.

But I'm pretty sure that Brinkley is trying to redshirt this season.

Here is my prelim mock for the Jets

1. Quentin Groves-OLB Auburn
2. Tyson Jackson-DE L.S.U.
3. Andrew Crummey-OG Maryland
4. Jason Shirley-NT Fresno State
5. Kendall Langford-DE Hampton
6. Bobby Tatum-FS Abilene Christian
7. Vernon Wilder-ILB Florida A&M
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Post#3 » by Flaming Mo » Mon Oct 1, 2007 6:42 pm

Next Coming wrote:I'd have to agree with you Mo. One of the bigger problems with the Jets is that they don't have the type of players that fit their system.

Jon Vilma would be a top 5 MLB if he played for the Bills, Colts, Bucs because he fits that Cover 2 style. He's not a 3-4 ILB.

The Jets got away with it last year with an easy schedule and every player is motivated when the team hires a new coach but it just doesn't work in Year 2.

I really like some of the suggestions you've made with Tyson Jackson, Quentin Groves, Red Bryant.

But I'm pretty sure that Brinkley is trying to redshirt this season.

Here is my prelim mock for the Jets

1. Quentin Groves-OLB Auburn
2. Tyson Jackson-DE L.S.U.
3. Andrew Crummey-OG Maryland
4. Jason Shirley-NT Fresno State
5. Kendall Langford-DE Hampton
6. Bobby Tatum-FS Abilene Christian
7. Vernon Wilder-ILB Florida A&M


Man, if Jackson would drop and we also get Groves... then maybe sign Suggs.... WOW!!! Like your draft, the right priorities...

As much as I like Vilma, maybe we should look to deal him. He's an awesome leader and a great guy but we are hurting ourselves by keeping him in there.
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Post#4 » by Manhattan Project » Mon Oct 1, 2007 6:44 pm

Albert Haynesworth
Terrell Suggs
Tedy Bruschi
Karlos Dansby

Those are the big defensive free agents for this year. Of those only Suggs and Bruschi would even fit this system. Haynesworth and Dansby would compliment the Jets perfect if we switched back to 4-3.

As far as the draft goes I think that we need to add some help to the secondary in getting an electric FS. Kenny Phillips would bring that to the secondary. As far as linemen go I would like to see us get Frank Okam to bring some size in the middle.

For me personally its to early to look at mocks and players since in college football so much can change in two weeks. Like both of you though I do like Groves every time I watch him. However this draft is going to be deep in LB's this year. Dan Connor, Keith Rivers, James Laurinitis are also expected to go in the first round.
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Post#5 » by TKF » Tue Oct 2, 2007 4:47 am

I think mangold and brick will be fine, we need to replace kendall, that is for sure.

As far as the D-line, Roberson can be that huge defensive end in the 3-4 we need, plus he is still young, remember he came out as a soph.

I say if we are going to stay 3-4 which mangeni is dead set on doing, then vilma needs help at the D-line so he can fly around and make more plays if the D-lineman can occupy blockers. Bryan thomas is a ghost out there and there was one play I saw him quit on the play and watch as he could have easily made the tackle and saved a yard or so.. this guy is playing like garbage. We need a huge 300+ pound monster in the middle..


Last but not least, we need a franchise QB, if it is going to be clemens than lets start that era now, if not then we are wasting time this year. I woul d do anything to get my hands on a vince young type player...
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Post#6 » by treiz » Tue Oct 2, 2007 8:22 pm

I like what your thinking, and I'd definetly take Jackson, Bryant or Groves one of these guys could be the guy that we need, however, I don't think an ILB is what we need, David Harris has been playing well when given PT, and to be honest I don't think it's Vilma's fault he's struggling, I always thought it was the front 3, only Robertson and Kenyon Coleman(stats wise) have been decent. Also, we need to fix the O-line, we need a replacement for Kendall, and someone consistent enough at RT.
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Post#7 » by Flaming Mo » Wed Oct 3, 2007 6:09 pm

Bottom line is we need size size and again SIZE!!!

Richard Clebert from South Florida was discussed on another forum... potential 3-4 NT!!!
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Post#8 » by treiz » Fri Oct 5, 2007 6:50 pm

We need the 4-3!

4-3!!!!
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Post#9 » by Manhattan Project » Thu Nov 8, 2007 8:33 pm

Well its time to bring this up again, it looks like we are getting ready to be pegged with Chris Long out of Virgina.
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Post#10 » by greenbeans » Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:40 pm

how bout you give the pats vilma and a low round pick for the 9ers pick(prob top 3)
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Post#11 » by Manhattan Project » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:00 pm

greenbeans wrote:how bout you give the pats vilma and a low round pick for the 9ers pick(prob top 3)


As a fan I would do that in a heartbeat, but there is not a chance in hell the Jets would trade Vilma to the Pats to have to play him twice a year. These two teams would not help eachother like that...
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Post#12 » by greenbeans » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:21 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



As a fan I would do that in a heartbeat, but there is not a chance in hell the Jets would trade Vilma to the Pats to have to play him twice a year. These two teams would not help eachother like that...


oh ya, im surew they have each others numbers blocked. just a hypothetical
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Post#13 » by Flaming Mo » Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:01 pm

Other guys who should be on our radar:

Vernon Gholston (Ohio State)
James Laurianaitis (Ohio State)
Shawn Crable (Michigan)
Kenny Phillips (Miami FL)
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Post#14 » by Manhattan Project » Thu Dec 6, 2007 7:06 pm

I think at this point in time Im really salivating at the prospect of having a Chris Long and Vernon Gholston type draft. Gholston's stock has the chance to really rise into the top fifteen picks, if that happens we have no chance. However I think with this draft we need to add another two impact defensive players.
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