Randy Gregory vs Amari Cooper

Neddy · Post #1 » by **Neddy** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:07 am

... with the fourth pick in the upcoming draft, I believe the Oakland Raiders will be choosing between these two individuals. Winston will probably go #1 overall, with Mariota and Leonard following the suit. I guess we can debate whether Cooper is even the #1 WR over Kevin White this year, but for the sake of arguement, it's Randy Gregory the most accomplished pass rusher not named Leonard, and Cooper the WR that most scouts think is #1 WR this year.

Neddy · Post #2 » by **Neddy** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:12 am

i personally voted for a pass rusher, since our HC is a defensive guy and in a WR deep draft i can see us picking up someone else in 2nd round unless Cam Irving is still available. then WR comes even later. there is a guy who cut 4.25 ish 40 yard time in the combine. I want this kid for special teams in 6th or 7th and could be our next James Jett, lol. but to be serious, this is a WR deep draft. there are guys who can come in and challenge what we already have to start this season as a rookie into 3rd round.

one catch is Randy Gregory is probably a 3-4 outside linebacker. at 230 pounds-ish i can't see him as a 4-3 end.

Post #3 » by **FNQ** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:47 pm

I think we're going WR, but I hope we're going after Fowler over Gregory. Gregory seems like a specialist, albeit a great one, but if you can't play him on running downs, he's a luxury.

If we do go WR in the 1st (fingers crossed on Kevin White, HUGE homerun potential there) I hope we grab Nate Orchard in the 2nd

Dilly · Post #4 » by **Dilly** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:27 pm

Gregory but LEONARD over both lets build that D up

Post #5 » by **FNQ** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:55 pm

Leonard Williams is going to be the #2 pick. And with Gregory showing up extremely light, the #3 pick has come into play as the one to trade for if you want a QB. So in order to trade down, we need one of 3 scenarios to happen:

#1) The Jags select Randy Gregory. Which is ideal for us, considering we shouldn't want him. That means any team looking to trade up for Mariota, Cooper, or White would want to talk to us first.

#2) The Jags trade with someone in order to select Mariota. In which case, we would need a team to fall in love with either Cooper or White. And that team would likely be outside the top 10, otherwise they should be content with hoping one falls to them.

#3) The Jags select Amani Cooper or Kevin White. This scenario is not being thought of at all, but consider this: The Jags WR corps right now is Allen Robinson (significant injury), Marquise Lee (solid but unspectacular so far), Justin Blackmon (fresh outta rehab). There is no clear cut #1 there. Anyways, this not only open up the Mariota market, but anyone seeking a top WR would now feel the pressure as well.

Quake Griffin · Post #6 » by **Quake Griffin** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:37 pm

I don't want either of these picks and I hate this draft position. I want to trade out of it and get Fowler.

I'm sorry to not pick either for the sake of your poll but I can't stand any of them as draft prospects and picking either of them would set our franchise back a year….a year Reggie can't afford to be set back and a year we as fans can't afford.

as a side note…
I'm the only Raider fan in the world that is not hell bent on waisting a pick on a WR.
None of these WRs are a sure thing and for certain, none of them are sure things for their draft slots.
I only want a WR if we trade down and have an extra 2nd rounder…then I'll take a flyer on the kid from ASU or something.

luckily for me, Reggie doesnt have a history of taking WRs in the 1st round.
so cool.

Post #7 » by **FNQ** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:41 pm

There are 4 names I really like, 3 of them are 1st round guys: Cooper/White/Parker in the 1st, Strong in the 2nd.

I do like DBG, but he has character issues and thus is off the radar. Getting our hopes up for him would be pointless. Sammie Coates is nothing special IMO, nor is the WR Perriman (though he is rapidly rising on boards). There is also a Georgia WR that had terrible season #s but looks to be gifted athletically.

And for whatever reason, slow slot receiver Justin Hardy is getting love as a day 2 pick. He is a definite slot receiver and *might* carve out an Edelman type role on with a great QB. But he is just such a plain, unspectacular pick, that I would be upset if we took him before the 5th.

2 guys I'm extremely wary of besides Gregory - who I'm starting to hate at 4 - are Arik Armstead and Shane Ray. Armstead is strictly near the top of mocks because he is the best DE, but how good is he? Don't see anything elite there. Shane Ray is abysmal at the run D, and I'm not into taking a pass down specialist in round 1.

If we trade down, my big names: Fowler, Ereck Flowers (LT) , Vic Beasley (OLB), Danny Shelton (NT), Andrus Peat (LT), Alvin Dupree (DE/OLB), Nate Orchard (DE/OLB), Cameron Erving (at C, not G).

Post #8 » by **FNQ** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:45 pm

Other tidbit: Kevin White seems to have vaulted ahead of Amari Cooper on many mocks. If we somehow traded out of the #4 pick and landed in the top 10 (looking at you STL) there's a very good chance one of the top 2 WR would be there. Imagine that kind of scenario - trade down and still lock up one of White or Cooper.

Of the teams 5-10 (WAS, NYJ, CHI, ATL, NYG) only the Jets have a serious need at WR. The other teams have serious needs on D. Which means two things to me: a trade down means no Dante Fowler, Vic Beasley, or Danny Shelton. And #2, a top name WR could drop to us at 10. So rooting for Jeff Fisher to fall in love with a mobile QB (and he tends to do that) would be a dream scenario for us.

Quake Griffin · Post #9 » by **Quake Griffin** » Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:20 pm

Well…the combine made things more complicated for us.

Fowler just looks like he's going anywhere from 3-5 now.
Kevin White isn't just ahead of Amari Cooper now (just lol), people have him going to us at 4.

The mocks that made me (us, hopefully) comfortable 2 weeks ago or a month ago are gone. Trading down is no longer as sexy as it once was IMO. There were options 2 weeks ago. Two of those options just may not be there anymore if we trade down just one slot. I guess you could still trade down if you want to take an OT.

Maybe a scenario that could work for us would be that Cleveland trade.
we get their 12 and 19th picks.

Peat and Strong
Beasley and Peat

something like that.

Post #10 » by **FNQ** » Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:44 pm

Very reliable Philly reporting that Eagles are 'determined to get their guy'.

Which means a trade into the top 5 is very likely for them. But will they want to trade for the 2,3,4, or 5? And will other teams be willing to pass on marquee talents?

It likely won't affect us, as we aren't in a great position here. The only way the Eagles trade with us is if the Redskins are unwilling to move down, and McClogahan or whatever loves trading down. Unless the Browns or Jets make some public overtures as far as moving up to select Mariota, it's doubtful we can make a move down. And since Leo Williams will still be gone, it just means for sure that Fowler/Gregory/Ray and the rest of the OLB/DE prospects will be there at 4, along with all the WR prospects as well.

And I'm sure the Eagles would love to deal with Tennessee, as they are the only top 5 team where Nick Foles might have some trade value.