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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#141 » by thesack12 » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:13 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:Also, it's pretty telling that Purdy had a game in which he completed 68% of his passes, threw for one TD and rushed for another, took one sack, and generated 30 points of offense in a game in which the D wasn't really turning the ball over until the very end, and people (or at least one person) are reacting as if he's maxed out and has no longterm future in the league. If Trey Lance had put together this sort of game, people would be losing their minds saying he was the next great thing.


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If that is what a "bad" game looks like for Purdy, then I think any rational person without an axe to grind would be fine with that version of "bad."
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Post#142 » by Big J » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:52 pm

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Jerry Jones offered the highest pick, a 4th, and he didn't even consult his own staff about acquiring him


Dak, Parsons, Lamb, Diggs, Lawrence, Gilmore, Martin, ect. You can joke, but Jerry knows talent when he sees it.


Isn't your whole Schtick based around what may or may not be successful in the playoffs? That being the case, how successful has Jerry Jones and his eye for talent been in the playoffs in the last 25 years or so? Spoiler alert, Dallas hasn't been past the 2nd round since 1995


Schtick... GTFOH man. Cowboys problem hasn't been talent. The main reason for lack of playoff success has been them having trash coaches, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, ect.
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Dak, Parsons, Lamb, Diggs, Lawrence, Gilmore, Martin, ect. You can joke, but Jerry knows talent when he sees it.


Isn't your whole Schtick based around what may or may not be successful in the playoffs? That being the case, how successful has Jerry Jones and his eye for talent been in the playoffs in the last 25 years or so? Spoiler alert, Dallas hasn't been past the 2nd round since 1995


Schtick... GTFOH man. Cowboys problem hasn't been talent. The main reason for lack of playoff success has been them having trash coaches, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, ect.


Wait, didn't you recently say Dak was "incompetent?"

Who do you think gave Dak $40 mil a season? Wasn't it Jerry Jones, who did that?
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Post#144 » by Big J » Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:02 pm

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Isn't your whole Schtick based around what may or may not be successful in the playoffs? That being the case, how successful has Jerry Jones and his eye for talent been in the playoffs in the last 25 years or so? Spoiler alert, Dallas hasn't been past the 2nd round since 1995


Schtick... GTFOH man. Cowboys problem hasn't been talent. The main reason for lack of playoff success has been them having trash coaches, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, ect.


Wait, didn't you recently say Dak was "incompetent?"

Who do you think gave Dak $40 mil a season? Wasn't it Jerry Jones, who did that?


Dak's problem has been between the ears, but he does have SB winning QB level talent. He's not limited like Purdy.
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Post#145 » by arich35 » Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:09 pm

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Schtick... GTFOH man. Cowboys problem hasn't been talent. The main reason for lack of playoff success has been them having trash coaches, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, ect.


Wait, didn't you recently say Dak was "incompetent?"

Who do you think gave Dak $40 mil a season? Wasn't it Jerry Jones, who did that?


Dak's problem has been between the ears, but he does have SB winning QB level talent. He's not limited like Purdy.


You keep contradicting yourself over and over again.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#146 » by Pattersonca65 » Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:46 pm

Big J wrote:
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Schtick... GTFOH man. Cowboys problem hasn't been talent. The main reason for lack of playoff success has been them having trash coaches, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, ect.


Wait, didn't you recently say Dak was "incompetent?"

Who do you think gave Dak $40 mil a season? Wasn't it Jerry Jones, who did that?


Dak's problem has been between the ears, but he does have SB winning QB level talent. He's not limited like Purdy.


Alot of good so called SB winning talent is if you supposedly have a problem between the ears. Then he is limited.
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Post#147 » by Big J » Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:54 pm

Pattersonca65 wrote:
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Wait, didn't you recently say Dak was "incompetent?"

Who do you think gave Dak $40 mil a season? Wasn't it Jerry Jones, who did that?


Dak's problem has been between the ears, but he does have SB winning QB level talent. He's not limited like Purdy.


Alot of good so called SB winning talent is if you supposedly have a problem between the ears. Then he is limited.


You can get stronger mentally over time. You can't get much taller, stronger or faster after 23.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#148 » by Pattersonca65 » Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:58 pm

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Dak's problem has been between the ears, but he does have SB winning QB level talent. He's not limited like Purdy.


Alot of good so called SB winning talent is if you supposedly have a problem between the ears. Then he is limited.


You can get stronger mentally over time. You can't get much taller, stronger or faster after 23.

Alot of NFL qbs mentally don't. Physically gifted but can't master the mental game.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#149 » by Big J » Tue Sep 19, 2023 12:09 am

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Alot of good so called SB winning talent is if you supposedly have a problem between the ears. Then he is limited.


You can get stronger mentally over time. You can't get much taller, stronger or faster after 23.

Alot of NFL qbs mentally don't. Physically gifted but can't master the mental game.


True, but the true greats have both physical gifts and the mental game.
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Post#150 » by CharityStripe34 » Tue Sep 19, 2023 12:22 am

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Big J wrote:
Dak's problem has been between the ears, but he does have SB winning QB level talent. He's not limited like Purdy.


Alot of good so called SB winning talent is if you supposedly have a problem between the ears. Then he is limited.


You can get stronger mentally over time. You can't get much taller, stronger or faster after 23.


Purdy can become better with ball placement and angles. And that comes from mental maturity and the ability to process and learn. Not every QB can do that either. No, Purdy will never develop a rifle arm but he can certainly master more of the nuances of passing. Footwork, timing, touch, etc. No, he'll never be Mahomes or Rodgers. But I think this team can win a SB with him.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#151 » by Pattersonca65 » Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:21 am

Big J wrote:
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Big J wrote:
You can get stronger mentally over time. You can't get much taller, stronger or faster after 23.

Alot of NFL qbs mentally don't. Physically gifted but can't master the mental game.


True, but the true greats have both physical gifts and the mental game.

It is very uncommon
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#152 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:09 am

Big J wrote:
Pattersonca65 wrote:
Big J wrote:
You can get stronger mentally over time. You can't get much taller, stronger or faster after 23.

Alot of NFL qbs mentally don't. Physically gifted but can't master the mental game.


True, but the true greats have both physical gifts and the mental game.


Feel like I'm repeating myself, but Tom Brady, who is pretty much universally accepted as the greatest QB of all time, had very ordinary physical attributes. Not athletic. Mediocre arm. Lanky build. The only area where he was even above average was his height.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/tom-brady
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#153 » by Big J » Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:17 am

CrimsonCrew wrote:
Big J wrote:
Pattersonca65 wrote:Alot of NFL qbs mentally don't. Physically gifted but can't master the mental game.


True, but the true greats have both physical gifts and the mental game.


Feel like I'm repeating myself, but Tom Brady, who is pretty much universally accepted as the greatest QB of all time, had very ordinary physical attributes. Not athletic. Mediocre arm. Lanky build. The only area where he was even above average was his height.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/tom-brady


Height is a huge factor for QBs. It helps your vision when you can see over the line. Brady’s arm was a lot stronger than its reputation as well. He was throwing 60 yard bombs to Randy Moss every week in 2007. He probably changed his body a lot around that time by doing PEDs.
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Post#154 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:35 am

Big J wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
Big J wrote:
True, but the true greats have both physical gifts and the mental game.


Feel like I'm repeating myself, but Tom Brady, who is pretty much universally accepted as the greatest QB of all time, had very ordinary physical attributes. Not athletic. Mediocre arm. Lanky build. The only area where he was even above average was his height.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/tom-brady


Height is a huge factor for QBs. It helps your vision when you can see over the line. Brady’s arm was a lot stronger than its reputation as well. He was throwing 60 yard bombs to Randy Moss every week in 2007. He probably changed his body a lot around that time by doing PEDs.


Height can be important, though Purdy has not shown significant limitations based on his lack of height to date.

Most NFL QBs can throw the ball 60+ yards, Purdy included. Pure arm strength is more important for throwing deep outs on a rope or squeezing passes into tight windows than it is for throwing arcing deep balls to open receivers downfield.
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Post#155 » by Big J » Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:04 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:
Big J wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
Feel like I'm repeating myself, but Tom Brady, who is pretty much universally accepted as the greatest QB of all time, had very ordinary physical attributes. Not athletic. Mediocre arm. Lanky build. The only area where he was even above average was his height.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/tom-brady


Height is a huge factor for QBs. It helps your vision when you can see over the line. Brady’s arm was a lot stronger than its reputation as well. He was throwing 60 yard bombs to Randy Moss every week in 2007. He probably changed his body a lot around that time by doing PEDs.


Height can be important, though Purdy has not shown significant limitations based on his lack of height to date.

Most NFL QBs can throw the ball 60+ yards, Purdy included. Pure arm strength is more important for throwing deep outs on a rope or squeezing passes into tight windows than it is for throwing arcing deep balls to open receivers downfield.


Yea, I guess we’ll see if I’m wrong, but I just think winning a ring with a league average QB is incredibly hard considering how important that position is relative to other positions on the team.
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Post#156 » by Pattersonca65 » Tue Sep 19, 2023 5:51 pm

By Matt Barrows
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SANTA CLARA, Calif. — Brock Purdy has impressive thighs.

They’re not quite Nick Bosa– or Javon Hargrave-level gams, mind you, but they’ve certainly caught the attention of teammates, including noted quad connoisseur Bosa.

“I have noticed them. A hundred percent,” said the San Francisco 49ers defensive end, whose thighs look like century-old tree trunks. “There’s a lot of large human beings in this locker room. But Brock is definitely part of the quad club.”

Those big thighs have been a big deal in Purdy’s career.

Coming out of Iowa State, they may have been a little too powerful. Like most college athletes, Purdy spent a lot of time doing traditional lifts like bench press, barbell curls and squats — lots and lots of squats.

“The training I did was more about, how strong can I get?” Purdy said. “So I was up to like 218 (pounds) with muscle. And I was strong. But I was more blocky rather than elusive.”

The problem was that as his thighs became more muscular, they started to overpower his throws.

Purdy described it as being too “lunge-y.” His throwing coach, Will Hewlett, had a more technical term.

“He was what we would call a quad-dominant athlete,” said Hewlett, who began working with Purdy in the run-up to last year’s draft.

Hewlett explained that quad-dominant quarterbacks tend to throw from their toes, which meant that Purdy a) wasn’t able to fully harness the power he had in his lower body, and b) wasn’t as accurate as he could be.

“Because there’s overuse of your quads, you don’t use your hips well, if that makes sense,” Hewlett said earlier this year. “So you’re more into your knees more than you are your hips. And all great throwers use their hips as kind of the engine. And he wasn’t using his hips as an engine very much at all.”

One of Hewlett’s first tasks was altering the way Purdy stood when delivering the ball. He wanted the quarterback’s heel planted in the grass more firmly so he could engage his glutes and incorporate his hips more in the throw.

The results surprised Hewlett.

He said his pupils sometimes can add 1 or maybe even 2 mph to their throws over the course of an offseason. When Purdy properly planted his feet and took full advantage of the considerable torque available in his lower body, his maximum velocity leaped by nearly 5 mph to 55 1/2 mph. To put that in context, Colin Kaepernick, a quarterback known for his big arm, threw a then-record 59 mph pass at the 2011 NFL Scouting Combine.

“I do have strength in my lower half,” Purdy said. “I’m not a tall guy or anything, but I do have strength. So they got me firing with my hips, my back hips, and that allowed my arm to come through like a whip. And I got more strength and velocity and pop to my throws.”

“The single biggest improvement we had in Brock’s throw was the velocity increase,” Hewlett said. “And that’s what turned people’s heads. They were like, ‘Wow, this guy throws the ball harder — way harder — than he did coming out.’ I think it was almost a 5 mph increase in velocity, which is literally unheard of at his age.”

Hewlett noted that most NFL throws — even those from cannon-armed guys like Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes — are in the high 40 mph range and that Purdy rarely will have to crank his velocity to 55 mph.

“It just gave him the ability to have better and more range in his intermediate throw game,” he said. “You don’t always need to use all of your horsepower. But having it is a confidence thing, too. Like, ‘I can rip it if I need to.’”

Once Brock Purdy learned to take advantage of the torque in his lower half, he added as much as 5 mph to his throwing velocity. (Charles LeClaire / USA Today)
Of course, thick, powerful thighs aren’t always a hindrance for the 49ers quarterback.

Just ask the Pittsburgh Steelers, who watched Purdy dart out of trouble twice in Week 1 and then downright embarrass them with a 17-yard burst up the middle in the fourth quarter. It was as if the quarterback hit a fast-forward button, and two Steelers were left swatting helplessly at his heels as he picked up a first down on the third-and-long carry.

Purdy, who says he’s now a more flexible 210 pounds, doesn’t have the size or athleticism Kyle Shanahan can build a game plan around. In fact, he broke a rib while running for a first down early in his initial start last season. But his wheels — especially his acceleration — are good enough for the occasional red zone surprise and certainly for broken-play scrambles.

“For me, I’m not always thinking, run, run, run,” Purdy said. “It’s, how can I dish it off to my playmakers for them to go get the yards? But in the right situation, if I see some green grass, ‘OK, let’s go.’ I feel like as I’ve played more and more, I’ve gotten a little bit better of a feel of it. I feel like at first I was a little tentative to scramble and whatnot. But as I’ve played (more), it’s like, ‘All right, the defense gives me 10 yards, let’s take it.’”

And maybe that’s why he’s been so effective on the move. No defense game plans for it like they would, say, Trey Lance. When Purdy runs, it’s a surprise. When he really hits the gas, it’s a big surprise.

The 49ers were a bit disappointed in Lance’s running ability. After watching him dominate with his legs at North Dakota State, they thought he could be an effective running quarterback early on while gaining valuable experience along the way.

Shanahan, however, soon realized Lance didn’t have the speed for the outside runs that were so effective when the coach called plays for Robert Griffin III in 2012. And Lance didn’t have the bulk or durability for running to the inside, which he did particularly often and well at North Dakota State.

It’s been the opposite experience when it comes to Purdy.

Based on his college film, Shanahan thought he’d be getting a small-bodied thrower. But when Purdy showed up, Shanahan changed his mind. Those bulky thighs that Bosa picked up on also caught the coach’s eye.

“I just remember the first day I got out and saw him in rookie camp, to walk up and see him for the first time in person, yeah, his height, that was accurate,” Shanahan told Sports Illustrated last month. “But to see his legs, to see his quads, he was built differently. He looked like a 215-pound guy. He wasn’t a small guy as much as I’d thought on tape.”

Purdy’s running, scrambling and buying time also have been better than expected. And for that, the quarterback can thank his Baby Bosa thighs.

“They’re not just for looks,” Bosa said with a smile.
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Post#157 » by arich35 » Tue Sep 19, 2023 6:05 pm

Big J wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
Big J wrote:
Height is a huge factor for QBs. It helps your vision when you can see over the line. Brady’s arm was a lot stronger than its reputation as well. He was throwing 60 yard bombs to Randy Moss every week in 2007. He probably changed his body a lot around that time by doing PEDs.


Height can be important, though Purdy has not shown significant limitations based on his lack of height to date.

Most NFL QBs can throw the ball 60+ yards, Purdy included. Pure arm strength is more important for throwing deep outs on a rope or squeezing passes into tight windows than it is for throwing arcing deep balls to open receivers downfield.


Yea, I guess we’ll see if I’m wrong, but I just think winning a ring with a league average QB is incredibly hard considering how important that position is relative to other positions on the team.


It is incredibly hard to win a ring no matter who your QB is
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Post#159 » by Big J » Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:04 pm

arich35 wrote:
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Height can be important, though Purdy has not shown significant limitations based on his lack of height to date.

Most NFL QBs can throw the ball 60+ yards, Purdy included. Pure arm strength is more important for throwing deep outs on a rope or squeezing passes into tight windows than it is for throwing arcing deep balls to open receivers downfield.


Yea, I guess we’ll see if I’m wrong, but I just think winning a ring with a league average QB is incredibly hard considering how important that position is relative to other positions on the team.


It is incredibly hard to win a ring no matter who your QB is


Yea, but it's the one position that you don't want to have someone who is limited playing it.
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Post#160 » by CharityStripe34 » Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:15 pm

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Yea, I guess we’ll see if I’m wrong, but I just think winning a ring with a league average QB is incredibly hard considering how important that position is relative to other positions on the team.


It is incredibly hard to win a ring no matter who your QB is


Yea, but it's the one position that you don't want to have someone who is limited playing it.
I'll just say I personally think the supposed arm-stremgth limitation or lack of deep ball is coachable and can evolve, seeing as hes only 23. Should be an interesting ride this season.

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