Week 5: Cardinals @ 49ers

[Big J]

Fumble by Mason was the killer.

He's not bad for where he was drafted but the draft picks on RBs that they squandered sure hurts now.

We need CMC back badly.

[thesack12]

What an embarrassing loss. This game should've been a complete blowout but yet all we had failures once again in all 3 phases.

Was not a great day for Purdy and while I don't blame him for the INTs his lack of sharpness cost us a couple of TDs.

Gotta blame Shanahan because this team has proven to be nonfunctional without CMC in the red zone. The offense struggled with Jimmy G in the red zone before CMC, get CMC redzone is great, and now under Purdy without CMC the offense is back to struggling in the red zone. So gotta pin that on Shanahan because it's up to him to design plays that work in the redzone not just between the 20s.

I've been preaching from the rooftops and I'll keep preaching that the defense needs a reboot this offseason. Whatever we're doing isn't work like it should and they have too much talent to play this mediocre.

I can forgive giving up 24 points but what I can't forgive is how they got those points.

The last two drives by the Cardinals were 12 plays 73 yards for a TD and 14 plays 75 yards for a FG. That's just completely unacceptable for what's supposed to be a top-tier defense. This defense routinely chokes when we absolutely need just one stop.

I'm still not counting them out since this team has had years when they suck early and put it together at the end but if Shanahan stays next season I do believe he does need some massive remodeling and we need fresh faces in all 3 phases.

I mentioned it earlier in the game/thread, but I do think that Kyle needs to start using more 3 WR sets while taking Juice off the field. Especially in red zone situations, but I also think he needs to do it more overall.

In the red zone, the amount of field that defenses have to cover is obviously condensed, so when you only have 2 receivers and sometimes a TE run routes in those situations, it really reduces the stress you put on a defense. It allows them to feel like they don't have to drop into LB's into coverage and therefore can stay closer to the LOS which allows them to play the run better. Having 2 WR sets also allows the defense to feel more comfortable blitzing, and we know that the O-line struggles to pick up blitzers. While Juice is a good receiver, he's more of a check down option and what routes he might run are slow to develop. In the redzone, you tend to not have a lot of time for plays to develop. With CMC being an amazing receiver/route runner/dual threat you can get by with having Juice out there because CMC always demands a ton of defensive attention. While not having Juice as a lead blocker on the field would hurt the red zone run game a bit, its difficult to run in the redzone anyways. I just think without CMC, having Juice on the field in the redzone makes the offense a bit to predictable, and doesn't stress the defense enough.

With defenses dropping 8 into coverage way more often, and the receivers struggling to uncover in man coverage, I think a lot of the above things also apply about needing to run more 3 WR sets. Having said that however, when the field isn't condensed Juice can be a quality option as a receiver. Still, I believe that at this point having a guy like Jennings off the field, would hurt the offense more overall than having Juice off the field.

I'm not saying to eliminate Juice from the play design/calling because there is still absolutely a place for him out there. I'm just saying that Kyle needs to evolve a bit, and not rely so much on having a FB on the field.

The defense however, yeah it definitely needs a reset. I realize that Sorenson is a 1st time DC, so some growing pains are to be expected. But even with the early struggles on Ryans' defense we saw some flashes of promise and several things to be able build with. This current defense however, there is nothing there. They are bad across the board. The scheme sucks, the playcalling is suspect, they suck in zone coverage, they have taken a big step back with man coverage (when is the last time we've seen any press coverage?), can't consistently put heat on the QB, when they do pressure the QB they can't finish, can't make hay only rushing 4, are reluctant to call blitzes and even when they do they aren't disguised at all, they are downright bad against the run, they have poor tackling technique and consistently take bad angles, are the opposite of clutch, are as bad as it gets on 3rd downs, and are unfathomably bad in 3rd & long situations. They are getting a decent amount of turnovers, but outside of Warner I think most of those are more a result of the offense committing unforced errors moreso than the defense forcing them. Speaking of unforced errors, how many times have all of us said in game threads that we are lucky that _____ happened. Seems like a crazy amount of times. Without all those drops, unforced errant throws, miscommunications, bail out penalties, etc the defense's performance could easily look much worse than it already does.

There are no redeeming qualities for this defense. The scary thing is outside of maybe Minnesota, they have yet to play oppose an actually good offense.

[thesack12]

somehow if we win on Thursday we are tied for 1st

That's great, and does take some of the sting out of today's lost.

However if SF loses on Thursday, they will be sitting at 2-4 overall (0-3 in the division, 0-4 in the NFC) and effectively 3 games back in the division.

In other words as far as week 6 games go, its a pretty damn big game for this team.

[49er4life1979]

What a fricken disgusting loss. The offense goes scoreless in the second half, the defense implodes in the second half (outside the 53 yd TD by Murray it was solid in first half), we lose our kicker to injury, and commit costly turnovers. Where do I begin? It's obvious the offense misses CMC especially in the red zone. Why not more play action and boot leg calls? I think that pitch to the RB standing 7 yards back is very predictable and called at worst possible times by Kyle. Not to mention our C and RT aren't very good. Mason, for as good as he's been, has also fumbled three times this season. But still, systemic/coaching issues are are a little more to blame...Defensively, besides the lucky INT thanks to a terrible decision by Murray, Bosa had no QB hits and no sacks. He makes way too much money to not produce like that. Floyd hasn't been consistent, and we badly need a dominator inside at DT. I expect them prioritize drafting/signing a DT in offseason. Campbell has been a disaster at LB obviously. We normally only play 2 LBs on passing downs so why he was in there I have no clue. Also, did Renardo Green play at all today? Yiadom is the **** and has no business covering the opponents best receiver with the game on the line. Hufanga I think is done as a Niner after this season. We have two solid safeties with Brown and Mustapha so he's expendable. Mooney Ward is not as good as he was last year either. Absolutely love Lenoir and I hope they find a way to keep him. But, coaching is the culprit here too., yes talent could be better in some spots. But Sorenson was never their first choice, more like 3rd or 4th. It's going to be a tough season as our schedule is about to get more difficult. Good thing is the NFC West is weak this year so I expect us to very much be in it. Beyond that, not sure.

[arich35]

We miss Greenlaw so bad on defense IMO. The drop off from him to Campbell is huge

[clyde21]

and now the Cowboys win, terrible football weekend man

[WentzerWuver]

What a fricken disgusting loss. The offense goes scoreless in the second half, the defense implodes in the second half (outside the 53 yd TD by Murray it was solid in first half), we lose our kicker to injury, and commit costly turnovers. Where do I begin? It's obvious the offense misses CMC especially in the red zone. Why not more play action and boot leg calls? I think that pitch to the RB standing 7 yards back is very predictable and called at worst possible times by Kyle. Not to mention our C and RT aren't very good. Mason, for as good as he's been, has also fumbled three times this season. But still, systemic/coaching issues are are a little more to blame...Defensively, besides the lucky INT thanks to a terrible decision by Murray, Bosa had no QB hits and no sacks. He makes way too much money to not produce like that. Floyd hasn't been consistent, and we badly need a dominator inside at DT. I expect them prioritize drafting/signing a DT in offseason. Campbell has been a disaster at LB obviously. We normally only play 2 LBs on passing downs so why he was in there I have no clue. Also, did Renardo Green play at all today? Yiadom is the **** and has no business covering the opponents best receiver with the game on the line. Hufanga I think is done as a Niner after this season. We have two solid safeties with Brown and Mustapha so he's expendable. Mooney Ward is not as good as he was last year either. Absolutely love Lenoir and I hope they find a way to keep him. But, coaching is the culprit here too., yes talent could be better in some spots. But Sorenson was never their first choice, more like 3rd or 4th. It's going to be a tough season as our schedule is about to get more difficult. Good thing is the NFC West is weak this year so I expect us to very much be in it. Beyond that, not sure.

After scapegoating the DC, why would any top DC want this job where the players dictate who they want or the type of schemes they would adapt. Only a noob like Sorenson would accept the responsibility under these conditions.

[thesack12]

What a fricken disgusting loss. The offense goes scoreless in the second half, the defense implodes in the second half (outside the 53 yd TD by Murray it was solid in first half), we lose our kicker to injury, and commit costly turnovers. Where do I begin? It's obvious the offense misses CMC especially in the red zone. Why not more play action and boot leg calls? I think that pitch to the RB standing 7 yards back is very predictable and called at worst possible times by Kyle. Not to mention our C and RT aren't very good. Mason, for as good as he's been, has also fumbled three times this season. But still, systemic/coaching issues are are a little more to blame...Defensively, besides the lucky INT thanks to a terrible decision by Murray, Bosa had no QB hits and no sacks. He makes way too much money to not produce like that. Floyd hasn't been consistent, and we badly need a dominator inside at DT. I expect them prioritize drafting/signing a DT in offseason. Campbell has been a disaster at LB obviously. We normally only play 2 LBs on passing downs so why he was in there I have no clue. Also, did Renardo Green play at all today? Yiadom is the **** and has no business covering the opponents best receiver with the game on the line. Hufanga I think is done as a Niner after this season. We have two solid safeties with Brown and Mustapha so he's expendable. Mooney Ward is not as good as he was last year either. Absolutely love Lenoir and I hope they find a way to keep him. But, coaching is the culprit here too., yes talent could be better in some spots. But Sorenson was never their first choice, more like 3rd or 4th. It's going to be a tough season as our schedule is about to get more difficult. Good thing is the NFC West is weak this year so I expect us to very much be in it. Beyond that, not sure.

After scapegoating the DC, why would any top DC want this job where the players dictate who they want or the type of schemes they would adapt. Only a noob like Sorenson would accept the responsibility under these conditions.

Why you ask?

Because San Francisco has proven to be a perennial contender. The defense has quite a bit of talent. This regime has shown they are more than willing to invest high end resources into the defense. SF's offense has long been at or near the top of time of possession and consistently gives the defense leads to work with.

2 of the last 3 DC's earned head coaching gigs. An offensive assistant got a head coaching job. 2 different front office assistants earned GM jobs. So yeah, its obvious that league values what SF is doing and how they are doing it. A defensive minded coach aligning himself with the 49ers, isn't nearly as unattractive as you are trying describe.

[WentzerWuver]

What a fricken disgusting loss. The offense goes scoreless in the second half, the defense implodes in the second half (outside the 53 yd TD by Murray it was solid in first half), we lose our kicker to injury, and commit costly turnovers. Where do I begin? It's obvious the offense misses CMC especially in the red zone. Why not more play action and boot leg calls? I think that pitch to the RB standing 7 yards back is very predictable and called at worst possible times by Kyle. Not to mention our C and RT aren't very good. Mason, for as good as he's been, has also fumbled three times this season. But still, systemic/coaching issues are are a little more to blame...Defensively, besides the lucky INT thanks to a terrible decision by Murray, Bosa had no QB hits and no sacks. He makes way too much money to not produce like that. Floyd hasn't been consistent, and we badly need a dominator inside at DT. I expect them prioritize drafting/signing a DT in offseason. Campbell has been a disaster at LB obviously. We normally only play 2 LBs on passing downs so why he was in there I have no clue. Also, did Renardo Green play at all today? Yiadom is the **** and has no business covering the opponents best receiver with the game on the line. Hufanga I think is done as a Niner after this season. We have two solid safeties with Brown and Mustapha so he's expendable. Mooney Ward is not as good as he was last year either. Absolutely love Lenoir and I hope they find a way to keep him. But, coaching is the culprit here too., yes talent could be better in some spots. But Sorenson was never their first choice, more like 3rd or 4th. It's going to be a tough season as our schedule is about to get more difficult. Good thing is the NFC West is weak this year so I expect us to very much be in it. Beyond that, not sure.

After scapegoating the DC, why would any top DC want this job where the players dictate who they want or the type of schemes they would adapt. Only a noob like Sorenson would accept the responsibility under these conditions.

Why you ask?

Because San Francisco has proven to be a perennial contender. The defense has quite a bit of talent. This regime has shown they are more than willing to invest high end resources into the defense. SF's offense has long been at or near the top of time of possession and consistently gives the defense leads to work with.

2 of the last 3 DC's earned head coaching gigs. An offensive assistant got a head coaching job. 2 different front office assistants earned GM jobs. So yeah, its obvious that league values what SF is doing and how they are doing it. A defensive minded coach aligning himself with the 49ers, isn't nearly as unattractive as you are trying describe.

Are you serious? Those other personals under Kyle were NOT blamed and fired for losing the SB. It's the same for anyone when they are fired which is MUCH harder to get another job, let alone a promotion. Unless you think after being fired as a receptionist, you get hired as a manager over them plus a huge pay raise Lol

It's why Wilks cannot get a HC gig which I blamed it on Kyle. If I owned a team, Wilks would be my HC cause he did this to Anderson which shows me he's no pushover, hold players accountable and he doesn't scrapgoat like some do.

https://youtu.be/kkVwqsPKLew?si=ugrrhB4mBT3wbwLP

https://youtu.be/HA6_adCSZ1g?si=Dm40gwLhSk38VncM

[CrimsonCrew]

After scapegoating the DC, why would any top DC want this job where the players dictate who they want or the type of schemes they would adapt. Only a noob like Sorenson would accept the responsibility under these conditions.

Why you ask?

Because San Francisco has proven to be a perennial contender. The defense has quite a bit of talent. This regime has shown they are more than willing to invest high end resources into the defense. SF's offense has long been at or near the top of time of possession and consistently gives the defense leads to work with.

2 of the last 3 DC's earned head coaching gigs. An offensive assistant got a head coaching job. 2 different front office assistants earned GM jobs. So yeah, its obvious that league values what SF is doing and how they are doing it. A defensive minded coach aligning himself with the 49ers, isn't nearly as unattractive as you are trying describe.

Are you serious? Those other personals under Kyle were NOT blamed and fired for losing the SB. It's the same for anyone when they are fired which is MUCH harder to get another job, let alone a promotion. Unless you think after being fired as a receptionist, you get hired as a manager over them plus a huge pay raise Lol

It's why Wilks cannot get a HC gig which I blamed it on Kyle. If I owned a team, Wilks would be my HC cause he did this to Anderson which shows me he's no pushover, hold players accountable and he doesn't scrapgoat like some do.

https://youtu.be/kkVwqsPKLew?si=ugrrhB4mBT3wbwLP

https://youtu.be/HA6_adCSZ1g?si=Dm40gwLhSk38VncM

I shouldn't respond to this, but I'm a sucker for this, sadly.

Shanahan is responsible for Wilks not getting a HC gig? If Wilks was the top candidate on the market, we wouldn't have had to fire him because someone would have snapped him up. And we would have gotten some comp picks out of it. That would have been great. But Wilks didn't have a market because he didn't do a particularly good job of coordinating the defense last year.

I'm not saying Wilks isn't HC material or wouldn't be good in that role, just that teams clearly weren't beating down the door for him or he would have had some interviews before the SB.

[WentzerWuver]

Why you ask?

Because San Francisco has proven to be a perennial contender. The defense has quite a bit of talent. This regime has shown they are more than willing to invest high end resources into the defense. SF's offense has long been at or near the top of time of possession and consistently gives the defense leads to work with.

2 of the last 3 DC's earned head coaching gigs. An offensive assistant got a head coaching job. 2 different front office assistants earned GM jobs. So yeah, its obvious that league values what SF is doing and how they are doing it. A defensive minded coach aligning himself with the 49ers, isn't nearly as unattractive as you are trying describe.

Are you serious? Those other personals under Kyle were NOT blamed and fired for losing the SB. It's the same for anyone when they are fired which is MUCH harder to get another job, let alone a promotion. Unless you think after being fired as a receptionist, you get hired as a manager over them plus a huge pay raise Lol

It's why Wilks cannot get a HC gig which I blamed it on Kyle. If I owned a team, Wilks would be my HC cause he did this to Anderson which shows me he's no pushover, hold players accountable and he doesn't scrapgoat like some do.

https://youtu.be/kkVwqsPKLew?si=ugrrhB4mBT3wbwLP

https://youtu.be/HA6_adCSZ1g?si=Dm40gwLhSk38VncM

I shouldn't respond to this, but I'm a sucker for this, sadly.

Shanahan is responsible for Wilks not getting a HC gig? If Wilks was the top candidate on the market, we wouldn't have had to fire him because someone would have snapped him up. And we would have gotten some comp picks out of it. That would have been great. But Wilks didn't have a market because he didn't do a particularly good job of coordinating the defense last year.

I'm not saying Wilks isn't HC material or wouldn't be good in that role, just that teams clearly weren't beating down the door for him or he would have had some interviews before the SB.

Cause these overpaid defensive players wearing the red and gold were already blaming Wilks during the season cause they missed their old way of doing things under Saleh/DeMeco by going behind his back which is why he didnt get any interviews due to all the negativity as this is a players' league. If you had been following them, you would have noticed this and not asked me why, so I blamed it on them as well. Now they are blaming Sorensen, so hope you are happy but if they fire him as well, do you think he will get a HC job next? Lol

https://youtu.be/dGYUGw_XtYQ?si=PUuv1okgWXkzTRGi

[CrimsonCrew]

Are you serious? Those other personals under Kyle were NOT blamed and fired for losing the SB. It's the same for anyone when they are fired which is MUCH harder to get another job, let alone a promotion. Unless you think after being fired as a receptionist, you get hired as a manager over them plus a huge pay raise Lol

It's why Wilks cannot get a HC gig which I blamed it on Kyle. If I owned a team, Wilks would be my HC cause he did this to Anderson which shows me he's no pushover, hold players accountable and he doesn't scrapgoat like some do.

https://youtu.be/kkVwqsPKLew?si=ugrrhB4mBT3wbwLP

https://youtu.be/HA6_adCSZ1g?si=Dm40gwLhSk38VncM

I shouldn't respond to this, but I'm a sucker for this, sadly.

Shanahan is responsible for Wilks not getting a HC gig? If Wilks was the top candidate on the market, we wouldn't have had to fire him because someone would have snapped him up. And we would have gotten some comp picks out of it. That would have been great. But Wilks didn't have a market because he didn't do a particularly good job of coordinating the defense last year.

I'm not saying Wilks isn't HC material or wouldn't be good in that role, just that teams clearly weren't beating down the door for him or he would have had some interviews before the SB.

Cause these overpaid defensive players wearing the red and gold were already blaming Wilks during the season cause they missed their old way of doing things under Saleh/DeMeco by going behind his back which is why he didnt get any interviews due to all the negativity as this is a players' league. If you had been following them, you would have noticed this and not asked me why, so I blamed it on them as well. Now they are blaming Sorensen, so hope you are happy.

https://youtu.be/dGYUGw_XtYQ?si=PUuv1okgWXkzTRGi

Wait. Is it Kyle's fault or the players' fault?

[WentzerWuver]

Wait. Is it Kyle's fault or the players' fault?

You should be able to figure that out when they lose on TNF.

[CrimsonCrew]

Wait. Is it Kyle's fault or the players' fault?

You should be able to figure that out when they lose on TNF.

I'm very frankly struggling how to parse blame for their play this year. It's been so bad in so many areas that I've got to hold the HC primarily responsible, but the individual players sure aren't crushing it with a handful of exceptions.

[thesack12]

After scapegoating the DC, why would any top DC want this job where the players dictate who they want or the type of schemes they would adapt. Only a noob like Sorenson would accept the responsibility under these conditions.

Why you ask?

Because San Francisco has proven to be a perennial contender. The defense has quite a bit of talent. This regime has shown they are more than willing to invest high end resources into the defense. SF's offense has long been at or near the top of time of possession and consistently gives the defense leads to work with.

2 of the last 3 DC's earned head coaching gigs. An offensive assistant got a head coaching job. 2 different front office assistants earned GM jobs. So yeah, its obvious that league values what SF is doing and how they are doing it. A defensive minded coach aligning himself with the 49ers, isn't nearly as unattractive as you are trying describe.

Are you serious? Those other personals under Kyle were NOT blamed and fired for losing the SB. It's the same for anyone when they are fired which is MUCH harder to get another job, let alone a promotion. Unless you think after being fired as a receptionist, you get hired as a manager over them plus a huge pay raise Lol

It's why Wilks cannot get a HC gig which I blamed it on Kyle. If I owned a team, Wilks would be my HC cause he did this to Anderson which shows me he's no pushover, hold players accountable and he doesn't scrapgoat like some do.

https://youtu.be/kkVwqsPKLew?si=ugrrhB4mBT3wbwLP

https://youtu.be/HA6_adCSZ1g?si=Dm40gwLhSk38VncM

The team didn't play in a Super Bowl while Ryans was the DC, and he left for an HC job. Saleh also left for an HC job. Even if you want to think Kyle/Lynch are into that type of thing, there was no need to even remotely consider firing them in a scapegoat type of fashion.

Unlike Wilks, both Saleh and Ryans elevated their stock and profile while DC'ing the 49ers.

You have an oddly inflated view of Wilks. Wilks has only been a DC for 3 seasons, and with 3 different teams. Wilks was named Zona's head coach after Arians retired, and he piloted them to a 3-13 season and was fired after that single season. He stepped in an interim HC role for Carolina and did an admirable job making that team respectable. Yet, Carolina decided against giving him the full time HC job. Wilks sure doesn't seem to stick around for very long anywhere he goes.

If you were satisfied with Wilks as DC last season, then I don't know what to tell you. While he was able to make solid in game adjustments his game planning going into games was pretty flawed. His play calling was suspect to say the least. The all out blitz before the the half in Minnesota was just stupefying, especially for a guy that doesn't really like to blitz much. The insistence to run soft ass zone, and allowing receivers basically get anything they wanted was incredibly aggravating. 3rd down defense was infuriatingly bad, especially in 3rd and long situations. The run defense was poor at best. The DL consistently couldn't set edges. The pass rush went through unfathomably long stretches of invisibility. Then in the Super Bowl the offense gave the team a lead 3 consecutive times down the stretch, yet the defense could not manage to get a single stop late in the 4th/OT.

Wilks didn't land an HC gig because there wasn't interest. Hell, the guy is now performing an advisor role for a low level college team. Which would lead you to believe that there wasn't a lot of NFL interest in Wilks to even be an assistant.

If you think a guy getting fired is much of a deterrent for him to getting another job, that shows you don't pay much attention to how NFL coaching cycles play out.

[Pattersonca65]

Why you ask?

Because San Francisco has proven to be a perennial contender. The defense has quite a bit of talent. This regime has shown they are more than willing to invest high end resources into the defense. SF's offense has long been at or near the top of time of possession and consistently gives the defense leads to work with.

2 of the last 3 DC's earned head coaching gigs. An offensive assistant got a head coaching job. 2 different front office assistants earned GM jobs. So yeah, its obvious that league values what SF is doing and how they are doing it. A defensive minded coach aligning himself with the 49ers, isn't nearly as unattractive as you are trying describe.

Are you serious? Those other personals under Kyle were NOT blamed and fired for losing the SB. It's the same for anyone when they are fired which is MUCH harder to get another job, let alone a promotion. Unless you think after being fired as a receptionist, you get hired as a manager over them plus a huge pay raise Lol

It's why Wilks cannot get a HC gig which I blamed it on Kyle. If I owned a team, Wilks would be my HC cause he did this to Anderson which shows me he's no pushover, hold players accountable and he doesn't scrapgoat like some do.

https://youtu.be/kkVwqsPKLew?si=ugrrhB4mBT3wbwLP

https://youtu.be/HA6_adCSZ1g?si=Dm40gwLhSk38VncM

The team didn't play in a Super Bowl while Ryans was the DC, and he left for an HC job. Saleh also left for an HC job. Even if you want to think Kyle/Lynch are into that type of thing, there was no need to even remotely consider firing them in a scapegoat type of fashion.

When the 49ers hired Wilks I really was MEH on the hire. There wasn't alot written about him but there was one in depth article about his time as DC in Carolina. While the article overall was not negative of his time as DC in Carolina, it wasn't positive either. He really didn't stand out in any way or seem to elevate the defense with the talent around him either. The 49ers could have done better.

Unlike Wilks, both Saleh and Ryans elevated their stock and profile while DC'ing the 49ers.

You have an oddly inflated view of Wilks. Wilks has only been a DC for 3 seasons, and with 3 different teams. Wilks was named Zona's head coach after Arians retired, and he piloted them to a 3-13 season and was fired after that single season. He stepped in an interim HC role for Carolina and did an admirable job making that team respectable. Yet, Carolina decided against giving him the full time HC job. Wilks sure doesn't seem to stick around for very long anywhere he goes.

If you were satisfied with Wilks as DC last season, then I don't know what to tell you. While he was able to make solid in game adjustments his game planning going into games was pretty flawed. His play calling was suspect to say the least. The all out blitz before the the half in Minnesota was just stupefying, especially for a guy that doesn't really like to blitz much. The insistence to run soft ass zone, and allowing receivers basically get anything they wanted was incredibly aggravating. 3rd down defense was infuriatingly bad, especially in 3rd and long situations. The run defense was poor at best. The DL consistently couldn't set edges. The pass rush went through unfathomably long stretches of invisibility. Then in the Super Bowl the offense gave the team a lead 3 consecutive times down the stretch, yet the defense could not manage to get a single stop late in the 4th/OT.

Wilks didn't land an HC gig because there wasn't interest. Hell, the guy is now performing an advisor role for a low level college team. Which would lead you to believe that there wasn't a lot of NFL interest in Wilks to even be an assistant.

If you think a guy getting fired is much of a deterrent for him to getting another job, that shows you don't pay much attention to how NFL coaching cycles play out.

[Pattersonca65]

Why you ask?

Because San Francisco has proven to be a perennial contender. The defense has quite a bit of talent. This regime has shown they are more than willing to invest high end resources into the defense. SF's offense has long been at or near the top of time of possession and consistently gives the defense leads to work with.

2 of the last 3 DC's earned head coaching gigs. An offensive assistant got a head coaching job. 2 different front office assistants earned GM jobs. So yeah, its obvious that league values what SF is doing and how they are doing it. A defensive minded coach aligning himself with the 49ers, isn't nearly as unattractive as you are trying describe.

Are you serious? Those other personals under Kyle were NOT blamed and fired for losing the SB. It's the same for anyone when they are fired which is MUCH harder to get another job, let alone a promotion. Unless you think after being fired as a receptionist, you get hired as a manager over them plus a huge pay raise Lol

It's why Wilks cannot get a HC gig which I blamed it on Kyle. If I owned a team, Wilks would be my HC cause he did this to Anderson which shows me he's no pushover, hold players accountable and he doesn't scrapgoat like some do.

https://youtu.be/kkVwqsPKLew?si=ugrrhB4mBT3wbwLP

https://youtu.be/HA6_adCSZ1g?si=Dm40gwLhSk38VncM

The team didn't play in a Super Bowl while Ryans was the DC, and he left for an HC job. Saleh also left for an HC job. Even if you want to think Kyle/Lynch are into that type of thing, there was no need to even remotely consider firing them in a scapegoat type of fashion.

Unlike Wilks, both Saleh and Ryans elevated their stock and profile while DC'ing the 49ers.

You have an oddly inflated view of Wilks. Wilks has only been a DC for 3 seasons, and with 3 different teams. Wilks was named Zona's head coach after Arians retired, and he piloted them to a 3-13 season and was fired after that single season. He stepped in an interim HC role for Carolina and did an admirable job making that team respectable. Yet, Carolina decided against giving him the full time HC job. Wilks sure doesn't seem to stick around for very long anywhere he goes.

If you were satisfied with Wilks as DC last season, then I don't know what to tell you. While he was able to make solid in game adjustments his game planning going into games was pretty flawed. His play calling was suspect to say the least. The all out blitz before the the half in Minnesota was just stupefying, especially for a guy that doesn't really like to blitz much. The insistence to run soft ass zone, and allowing receivers basically get anything they wanted was incredibly aggravating. 3rd down defense was infuriatingly bad, especially in 3rd and long situations. The run defense was poor at best. The DL consistently couldn't set edges. The pass rush went through unfathomably long stretches of invisibility. Then in the Super Bowl the offense gave the team a lead 3 consecutive times down the stretch, yet the defense could not manage to get a single stop late in the 4th/OT.

Wilks didn't land an HC gig because there wasn't interest. Hell, the guy is now performing an advisor role for a low level college team. Which would lead you to believe that there wasn't a lot of NFL interest in Wilks to even be an assistant.

If you think a guy getting fired is much of a deterrent for him to getting another job, that shows you don't pay much attention to how NFL coaching cycles play out.

When the 49ers hired Wilks I really was MEH on the hire. There wasn't alot written about him but there was one in depth article about his time as DC in Carolina. While the article overall was not negative of his time as DC in Carolina, it wasn't positive either. He really didn't stand out in any way or seem to elevate the defense with the talent around him either. The 49ers could have done better.

[CrimsonCrew]

This is never going to not bother me. 2:18:45 in this video, forward progress, no fumble.

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12:24 here, fumble.

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[RIPskaterdude]

Still can't believe they lost this game, AZ is terrible

[Jikkle]

Still can't believe they lost this game, AZ is terrible

That's what makes this team so frustrating because they should be sitting at least 5-1 right now and they should've crushed the Rams, Cardinals, and Seahawks. And I know we beat the Seahawks but that game had no business even being close.

I'd argue they even had a chance to win the Vikings game if the defense was able to get a stop and gave the offense a legit chance for one more good drive.