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[Jikkle]

On the bright side Pearsall had a great game and while I would put an asterisk on it because it was against a Lion's defense that's banged up and not great it's still better to have a great game against a bad defense than do nothing at all.

With the talk of him being a potential bust it was good to finally see a glimpse of what the 9ers envisioned when they drafted him.

Kinda makes me wonder how this year would've panned out if Aiyuk and Pearsall had a normal healthy offseason. I've been of the mind that one of the big problems with our offense is defense have mostly shut down a lot of the YAC stuff we'd scheme open and having two big bodied guys like Deebo and Jennings who depend on the scheme to get them open (less so Jennings) was killing our passing game. I thought what the passing game needs is more traditional WRs that can get open on their own without being completely dependant on Shanahan creating confusion to get open.

I wonder if this is a case of too little too late by Shanahan because the moment we shifted from Deebo to Pearsall and Kittle in the passing game it exploded. Though Pearsall was a late starter so it could be the case Shanahan didn't have a choice but to wait till Pearsall got up to speed before he could really funnel the offense through him.

[Jikkle]

I'll be fair to Sorsenen and say that the problems on defense aren't all his fault if Salaeh was running the D it wouldn't have magically been a top unit.

My opinion is the scheme is bad and it's probably the weakest front 7 we've fielded in years which are things he doesn't have control over.

However I just don't think he's made the best of what he has to work with at all. Tackling is the worst I've seen it, guys are struggling with execution, and the play calling hasn't been great especially in the 2nd half where it seems like he gets outcoached the longer the game goes on.

I've been rewatching the 4th and Goal Amon-Ra St. Brown TD and it's a complete travesty. We had 3 guys covering 2 guys and the 2 guys were both open. St. Brown got the TD but that ball easily could've gone to Williams. The only thing I think of is that St. Brown and Williams cris-crossed their routes at the snap of the ball and completely broke the brains of our DBs. I get there is some player accountability when it comes to execution but we've routinely failed to execute whenever the offense does something like motion to a bunch or anything slightly not standard so at a certain point you do have to look at coaching.

[thesack12]

Glad Detroit won. Don't get the whole "play for pride" childish nonsense. Get a better draft pick.

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This is the NFL, not the NBA.

Guys are playing to trigger incentives in their contracts. Other guys are playing for their next contract. Other guys are playing just to try and hold on to their NFL dreams. Coaches are trying to secure their spots for next season, wherever that may be.

Putting bad film out there is never a good thing, and win/loss records are always relevant for evaluation purposes.

Front office execs and scouts are also tied to the talent on the team, so if the on field product looks bad it makes those guys look bad as well.

There's also something to be said about being professional and establishing team culture.

You are being narrow minded here, and thinking purely from a fan perspective.

[thesack12]

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This is one of the very, very few pieces of data I've seen that paints Purdy in a bad light.

This can also be attributed to being a Shanahan thing as well. Kyle's teams have long struggled in these situations, regardless of who the QB is. A lot of it goes back to having to utilize the straight drop back passing game. Kyle's system and scheme relies on being able to lean on the run game. So when in comeback mode, the running game has to get scrapped which eliminates the effectiveness of all the misdirection and pre-snap motion Kyle likes. When Defenses know you are passing, they won't fall for the eye candy and don't need to worry about any play action threat.

Anyways, that's not to absolve Purdy here. The QB is largely responsible for all successes and failures, and this situation Purdy has consistently failed. Got to get better with that.

[49er4life1979]

Yes, Shanahan pretty much abandoned the run in the second half, at one point he passsed 16 straight times. Ridiculous. Not absolving Purdy from his mistakes, but Shanahan had a lot to do with it as well. They need to do what Philly did last year, bring in new coordinators (on defense and special teams for us), hire an offensive coordinator or "passing game coordinator" to help Kyle game plan and give him different ideas. As for Moody, I have no idea how Kyle can bring him back, look his players in the eyes and tell them he's their best kicking option. Moody has got to go asap, he clearly was Kyle's pick so he's gotta own it.

[zman1]

Yes, Shanahan pretty much abandoned the run in the second half, at one point he passsed 16 straight times. Ridiculous. Not absolving Purdy from his mistakes, but Shanahan had a lot to do with it as well. They need to do what Philly did last year, bring in new coordinators (on defense and special teams for us), hire an offensive coordinator or "passing game coordinator" to help Kyle game plan and give him different ideas. As for Moody, I have no idea how Kyle can bring him back, look his players in the eyes and tell them he's their best kicking option. Moody has got to go asap, he clearly was Kyle's pick so he's gotta own it.

100%, especially about Philly. Remember how bad they were the end of last year? And now they have turned it around. This team has most of the pieces to get to the SB again. Needs are better ST, better d line, better kicking. Sorenson can go too.

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[zman1]

On the bright side Pearsall had a great game and while I would put an asterisk on it because it was against a Lion's defense that's banged up and not great it's still better to have a great game against a bad defense than do nothing at all.

With the talk of him being a potential bust it was good to finally see a glimpse of what the 9ers envisioned when they drafted him.

Kinda makes me wonder how this year would've panned out if Aiyuk and Pearsall had a normal healthy offseason. I've been of the mind that one of the big problems with our offense is defense have mostly shut down a lot of the YAC stuff we'd scheme open and having two big bodied guys like Deebo and Jennings who depend on the scheme to get them open (less so Jennings) was killing our passing game. I thought what the passing game needs is more traditional WRs that can get open on their own without being completely dependant on Shanahan creating confusion to get open.

I wonder if this is a case of too little too late by Shanahan because the moment we shifted from Deebo to Pearsall and Kittle in the passing game it exploded. Though Pearsall was a late starter so it could be the case Shanahan didn't have a choice but to wait till Pearsall got up to speed before he could really funnel the offense through him.

Pearsall looks like he can really get open against man d. Not much for YAC though as he goes down easily. Should be an a great combo if Aiyuk comes back in good form.

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[arich35]

I'll be fair to Sorsenen and say that the problems on defense aren't all his fault if Salaeh was running the D it wouldn't have magically been a top unit.

My opinion is the scheme is bad and it's probably the weakest front 7 we've fielded in years which are things he doesn't have control over.

However I just don't think he's made the best of what he has to work with at all. Tackling is the worst I've seen it, guys are struggling with execution, and the play calling hasn't been great especially in the 2nd half where it seems like he gets outcoached the longer the game goes on.

I've been rewatching the 4th and Goal Amon-Ra St. Brown TD and it's a complete travesty. We had 3 guys covering 2 guys and the 2 guys were both open. St. Brown got the TD but that ball easily could've gone to Williams. The only thing I think of is that St. Brown and Williams cris-crossed their routes at the snap of the ball and completely broke the brains of our DBs. I get there is some player accountability when it comes to execution but we've routinely failed to execute whenever the offense does something like motion to a bunch or anything slightly not standard so at a certain point you do have to look at coaching.

All year long this team has failed in bunch sets and motion within bunch sets. It is crazy to me how bad we can be at this all year long with no improvements

[CrimsonCrew]

On the bright side Pearsall had a great game and while I would put an asterisk on it because it was against a Lion's defense that's banged up and not great it's still better to have a great game against a bad defense than do nothing at all.

With the talk of him being a potential bust it was good to finally see a glimpse of what the 9ers envisioned when they drafted him.

Kinda makes me wonder how this year would've panned out if Aiyuk and Pearsall had a normal healthy offseason. I've been of the mind that one of the big problems with our offense is defense have mostly shut down a lot of the YAC stuff we'd scheme open and having two big bodied guys like Deebo and Jennings who depend on the scheme to get them open (less so Jennings) was killing our passing game. I thought what the passing game needs is more traditional WRs that can get open on their own without being completely dependant on Shanahan creating confusion to get open.

I wonder if this is a case of too little too late by Shanahan because the moment we shifted from Deebo to Pearsall and Kittle in the passing game it exploded. Though Pearsall was a late starter so it could be the case Shanahan didn't have a choice but to wait till Pearsall got up to speed before he could really funnel the offense through him.

They're banged up, but he was winning against Branch and Arnold, who are probably their two best DBs. Good game for the rookie, and hopefully something he can build on. Did Deebo catch a forward pass this week?

[CrimsonCrew]

Replying to my own question. 1 reception on 1 target for five yards. Bleh. At least we were smart enough not to force the ball to him in man coverage.

[CrimsonCrew]

I'll be fair to Sorsenen and say that the problems on defense aren't all his fault if Salaeh was running the D it wouldn't have magically been a top unit.

My opinion is the scheme is bad and it's probably the weakest front 7 we've fielded in years which are things he doesn't have control over.

However I just don't think he's made the best of what he has to work with at all. Tackling is the worst I've seen it, guys are struggling with execution, and the play calling hasn't been great especially in the 2nd half where it seems like he gets outcoached the longer the game goes on.

I've been rewatching the 4th and Goal Amon-Ra St. Brown TD and it's a complete travesty. We had 3 guys covering 2 guys and the 2 guys were both open. St. Brown got the TD but that ball easily could've gone to Williams. The only thing I think of is that St. Brown and Williams cris-crossed their routes at the snap of the ball and completely broke the brains of our DBs. I get there is some player accountability when it comes to execution but we've routinely failed to execute whenever the offense does something like motion to a bunch or anything slightly not standard so at a certain point you do have to look at coaching.

Sorenson has been awful. I'm not expecting a top-5 unit, but we've been AWFUL. We've shown no signs on improvement. On the contrary, we've gotten worse. We can't stop anyone. We aren't generating turnovers. We can't hold a lead to save our lives. Players don't know their assignments, they take poor angles, and that's with a totally vanilla scheme. At some point, it's got to fall on the coaching. Your job as a coach is to make sure your players know their jobs, and to put them in the best position to succeed. Sorenson has been the antithesis of that. If he's back next year, that's enough by itself to put Kyle on the hot seat. If we bring Schneider and Sorenson both back and miss the playoffs, I think that's a fireable offense for a HC.

[CrimsonCrew]

Yes, Shanahan pretty much abandoned the run in the second half, at one point he passsed 16 straight times. Ridiculous. Not absolving Purdy from his mistakes, but Shanahan had a lot to do with it as well. They need to do what Philly did last year, bring in new coordinators (on defense and special teams for us), hire an offensive coordinator or "passing game coordinator" to help Kyle game plan and give him different ideas. As for Moody, I have no idea how Kyle can bring him back, look his players in the eyes and tell them he's their best kicking option. Moody has got to go asap, he clearly was Kyle's pick so he's gotta own it.

Yeah, this game was a mixed bag for me. It was nice to see some life on the offense, and see these guys finally click a bit. But Kyle again, for like the third or fourth game in a row, just completely went away from what had worked in the first half. We went super pass-heavy. I think Guerendo maybe only had one rushing attempt in the second half. That's absurd in a game that was close until the end.

It's just so discouraging on so many levels. It's tough to see Shanahan persistently fail to learn from his mistakes. It's tough to see Brock struggle when he's asked to carry the offense. It's tough to see our OL completely overwhelmed at the thought of - gasp! - blocking in true pass sets. This team needs some serious changes over the offseason. If they attribute our struggles to injuries and don't make those changes, I don't have a lot of hope for this team.

[CrimsonCrew]

I'll be fair to Sorsenen and say that the problems on defense aren't all his fault if Salaeh was running the D it wouldn't have magically been a top unit.

My opinion is the scheme is bad and it's probably the weakest front 7 we've fielded in years which are things he doesn't have control over.

However I just don't think he's made the best of what he has to work with at all. Tackling is the worst I've seen it, guys are struggling with execution, and the play calling hasn't been great especially in the 2nd half where it seems like he gets outcoached the longer the game goes on.

I've been rewatching the 4th and Goal Amon-Ra St. Brown TD and it's a complete travesty. We had 3 guys covering 2 guys and the 2 guys were both open. St. Brown got the TD but that ball easily could've gone to Williams. The only thing I think of is that St. Brown and Williams cris-crossed their routes at the snap of the ball and completely broke the brains of our DBs. I get there is some player accountability when it comes to execution but we've routinely failed to execute whenever the offense does something like motion to a bunch or anything slightly not standard so at a certain point you do have to look at coaching.

All year long this team has failed in bunch sets and motion within bunch sets. It is crazy to me how bad we can be at this all year long with no improvements

Yeah, that's why Sorenson has to go. There's something to be said for guys needing time to grow into a new position. But he never changed anything all season. The things we struggled with early in the season are still problems. We didn't change our coverage approach. We didn't adjust the scheme. We just kept trotting out the same bad product.

At one point, Goff was like 6 of 6 for 6 first downs on third down. Unacceptable, even against a really good offense. Particularly when your star DE is actually (and finally) wrecking shop at times. And although the offense has been decimated by injuries this year, the D really hasn't. We should never have gone into this year counting on Greenlaw. So at this point, we are really only missing Hargrave, who wasn't playing well anyway. Ward was also out yesterday, but he's also struggled this year (arguably because Sorenson keeps putting him in man coverage, just like he did with Yiadom last night, and those guys aren't built for it).

Really hoping they take a look at Ulbrich and consider changing up the scheme.

[zman1]

Replying to my own question. 1 reception on 1 target for five yards. Bleh. At least we were smart enough not to force the ball to him in man coverage.

That was just the 2 foot forward toss that he ran in for the touchdown. Hardly a pass.

Didn't the oline look surprisingly decent last night? I was expecting a horror show, not a 41 point effort ( if we had a kicker).

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[Pattersonca65]

Replying to my own question. 1 reception on 1 target for five yards. Bleh. At least we were smart enough not to force the ball to him in man coverage.

That was just the 2 foot forward toss that he ran in for the touchdown. Hardly a pass.

Didn't the oline look surprisingly decent last night? I was expecting a horror show, not a 41 point effort ( if we had a kicker).

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Probably says more about how bad Detroit can be on defense.

[CrimsonCrew]

Replying to my own question. 1 reception on 1 target for five yards. Bleh. At least we were smart enough not to force the ball to him in man coverage.

That was just the 2 foot forward toss that he ran in for the touchdown. Hardly a pass.

Didn't the oline look surprisingly decent last night? I was expecting a horror show, not a 41 point effort ( if we had a kicker).

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Oh, right, the shovel pass.

Re: the OL, it seems like we're markedly better any time Banks isn't on the field. Imagine if we could replace him and Brendel. We'd be so good.

[wco81]

Replying to my own question. 1 reception on 1 target for five yards. Bleh. At least we were smart enough not to force the ball to him in man coverage.

That was just the 2 foot forward toss that he ran in for the touchdown. Hardly a pass.

Didn't the oline look surprisingly decent last night? I was expecting a horror show, not a 41 point effort ( if we had a kicker).

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Oh, right, the shovel pass.

Re: the OL, it seems like we're markedly better any time Banks isn't on the field. Imagine if we could replace him and Brendel. We'd be so good.

Thing I noticed was that Deebo was celebrating when Pearsall did well, like the T and then the big gain.

That's being a good teammate but also looking at the guy who would lead to the 49ers moving him if Pearsall did well.