Trade Kaeptain Einstein Thread 2.0

[MHSL82]

To me the much stronger argument would be that neither Kap nor Alex Smith would win a super bowl here. Kap hasn't done it, and I really don't think he ever will before he gets replaced. Alex Smith needs to be dragged by a defense and strong running game to a super bowl just like the current figured out version of Kap. Alex Smith went 12/26 for 196 yards in that NFC championship game. That's a 46% completion rate. It was tough conditions but wasn't a strong performance by any stretch of the imagination. He had chance after chance after chance at the end of that game to string something together (anything) but couldn't get it done. That was his chance. Could he win a super bowl in the future? Yes, definitely. Just like every other mediocre QB can who is supported by an strong defense and strong running game. However, the way things played out in the past two seasons a QB who could put points on the board would have been required to get us a super bowl win. Sorry just don't see it happening. Don't see him getting there and winning in 2012. Last year we probably don't get by Green Bay with him, and it's wishful thinking that he could have beaten Seattle.

He was 11/17 for 193 yards (11.4 YPA) and 2 TDs to everyone else. But only the receiver stats are reported by some. I know you posted all of the stats, so thank you for that. And I understand WR yards are typically harder to make, but the YPA was good with non-receivers and some of the throws were as deep as a WR throw and people knew Davis was our threat and defended him. People wanted us to try things that weren't working more? Of the 9 attempts to WRs, some of them had to be WR related. Some of the sacks had to be no separation and oline problems. Some of that is Smith, of course, but I'm operating under a situation where Smith got the blame and I'm saying some of it is spread out. We had 15 first downs to NYG 20 on 2 fewer possessions. We got conservative at the end because OT was better than a turnover. I'm sure the coaches agreed.

I actually like Alex Smith. But to state that the 49ers would have won the super bowl in 2012 with Smith is just silly. It might have happened, but it was far from certain the 49ers could have made it past Seattle or Baltimore for that matter. No doubt Kaepernick has his flaws and struggles, but so does Smith.

I agree with you, not OakTown. Stating hypotheticals in certainty is silly, either way.

[NinerSickness]

If the 49ers' front office keeps Kaepernick next season, they're as brainless and incompetent as Kaepernick.

Mark Kreidler had an interesting point about #7 today. When he replaced Alex in 2012, the whole league had been game-planning for Alex Smith the entire season, and they had no clue what this new guy was all about. Kind of like how the wildcat worked like a charm for a short while in the NFL. But since he isn't smart enough to be a real QB, the league figured out how to stop him.

Cam Newton looked great at first; the NFL figured him out. He sucks now.

RGIII got injured, but the NFL also figured him out. He's useless now.

Kapernick will never do the little things well enough to be good. He stares down his receivers. He only looks at one guy. He doesn't see the hot read. It's painful to watch after growing up on Joe Montana & Steve Young who looked with their eyes instead of their necks. Young's eyes would roll over to the side of his head like they weren't even connected to his head; Kaepernick practically points to the guy before he throws the ball. I never liked Kaepernick from the very beginning; I thought he was a bad draft pick. If Baalke doesn't move on from that numbskull, it will negate every single great draft pick he's ever made. Kaepernick will never, ever, ever win a Super bowl. I said this since the delay of game on 3rd & 1 in the NFCCG. Alex Smith & Kaepernick will both retire with zero rings. Move on Baalke or blow any chance at a trophy!

[NinerSickness]

Imagine what the Niners could've done with the kind of cap room & draft picks they could've gotten by trading Kaepernick last offseason.

[MHSL82]

Why must all our quarterbacks withstand calls of "We Want Carr"?

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[generaldreedle]

I've been listening to a lot of podcasts by Greg Cosell, and while he's probably wrong about a lot of things his comments about kaepernick, Wilson, and rg3 make sense. That they're so physically gifted they never have learned to make plays in structure, because when things start to breakdown they take off. The problem is that if you take that away they don't go through progressions, can't evaluate coverages, can't look off defenders, etc. Of the three Wilson is the best, rg3 is the worst and kaepernick is in the middle. He's also not going to improve during the season because you're planning for the next opponent, not working on fundamentals. I had hopes that a coach like Harbaugh could get kaepernick there but it hasn't happened yet, and that's what's discouraging, Harbaugh is supposed to be great with quarterbacks so either he's not or kaepernick is not going to improve much or it will take one more off-season.

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[Pattersonca65]

I've been listening to a lot of podcasts by Greg Cosell, and while he's probably wrong about a lot of things his comments about kaepernick, Wilson, and rg3 make sense. That they're so physically gifted they never have learned to make plays in structure, because when things start to breakdown they take off. The problem is that if you take that away they don't go through progressions, can't evaluate coverages, can't look off defenders, etc. Of the three Wilson is the best, rg3 is the worst and kaepernick is in the middle. He's also not going to improve during the season because you're planning for the next opponent, not working on fundamentals. I had hopes that a coach like Harbaugh could get kaepernick there but it hasn't happened yet, and that's what's discouraging, Harbaugh is supposed to be great with quarterbacks so either he's not or kaepernick is not going to improve much or it will take one more off-season.

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I like listening to Cosell and try to catch him on KNBR. He watches alot of film and discusses what he sees. You don't get much of that on the radio. I much prefer that to listening to Harbaugh who in interviews gives you absolutely nothing. Cosell said the difference with Wilson is his accuracy versus Kap. I would add Wilson for the most part seems to avoid those boneheaded passes Kaepernick has thrown lately. Wilson is no progression master either. Kinda funny since the Seattle homers are always critical of Kap being a one read passer. Watching him play, he seems to throw to his first read which is often times some short misdirection play or checkdown. It looks like a real basic simple system. If that first play is not there, he starts scrambling and its backyard football. If he ever gets injured or slows with age, it will be interesting to see how he performs if forced to play from the pocket. He is no Andrew Luck

[ChrisPozz]

I've been listening to a lot of podcasts by Greg Cosell, and while he's probably wrong about a lot of things his comments about kaepernick, Wilson, and rg3 make sense. That they're so physically gifted they never have learned to make plays in structure, because when things start to breakdown they take off. The problem is that if you take that away they don't go through progressions, can't evaluate coverages, can't look off defenders, etc. Of the three Wilson is the best, rg3 is the worst and kaepernick is in the middle. He's also not going to improve during the season because you're planning for the next opponent, not working on fundamentals. I had hopes that a coach like Harbaugh could get kaepernick there but it hasn't happened yet, and that's what's discouraging, Harbaugh is supposed to be great with quarterbacks so either he's not or kaepernick is not going to improve much or it will take one more off-season.

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I like listening to Cosell and try to catch him on KNBR. He watches alot of film and discusses what he sees. You don't get much of that on the radio. I much prefer that to listening to Harbaugh who in interviews gives you absolutely nothing. Cosell said the difference with Wilson is his accuracy versus Kap. I would add Wilson for the most part seems to avoid those boneheaded passes Kaepernick has thrown lately. Wilson is no progression master either. Kinda funny since the Seattle homers are always critical of Kap being a one read passer. Watching him play, he seems to throw to his first read which is often times some short misdirection play or checkdown. It looks like a real basic simple system. If that first play is not there, he starts scrambling and its backyard football. If he ever gets injured or slows with age, it will be interesting to see how he performs if forced to play from the pocket. He is no Andrew Luck

Obviously that's because they're speaking from two completely different platforms with different purposes and intentions. It'd be somewhat unfair to judge them or put their words side-by-side against each other unless they're in the same setting and if Harbaugh didn't have to concern himself with something that might happen to him as a coach based on what he said. Not that you specifically were putting them up against each other but I hope people in general see that the two situations both men are in are quite different from each other.

[Pattersonca65]

I've been listening to a lot of podcasts by Greg Cosell, and while he's probably wrong about a lot of things his comments about kaepernick, Wilson, and rg3 make sense. That they're so physically gifted they never have learned to make plays in structure, because when things start to breakdown they take off. The problem is that if you take that away they don't go through progressions, can't evaluate coverages, can't look off defenders, etc. Of the three Wilson is the best, rg3 is the worst and kaepernick is in the middle. He's also not going to improve during the season because you're planning for the next opponent, not working on fundamentals. I had hopes that a coach like Harbaugh could get kaepernick there but it hasn't happened yet, and that's what's discouraging, Harbaugh is supposed to be great with quarterbacks so either he's not or kaepernick is not going to improve much or it will take one more off-season.

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I like listening to Cosell and try to catch him on KNBR. He watches alot of film and discusses what he sees. You don't get much of that on the radio. I much prefer that to listening to Harbaugh who in interviews gives you absolutely nothing. Cosell said the difference with Wilson is his accuracy versus Kap. I would add Wilson for the most part seems to avoid those boneheaded passes Kaepernick has thrown lately. Wilson is no progression master either. Kinda funny since the Seattle homers are always critical of Kap being a one read passer. Watching him play, he seems to throw to his first read which is often times some short misdirection play or checkdown. It looks like a real basic simple system. If that first play is not there, he starts scrambling and its backyard football. If he ever gets injured or slows with age, it will be interesting to see how he performs if forced to play from the pocket. He is no Andrew Luck

Obviously that's because they're speaking from two completely different platforms with different purposes and intentions. It'd be somewhat unfair to judge them or put their words side-by-side against each other unless they're in the same setting and if Harbaugh didn't have to concern himself with something that might happen to him as a coach based on what he said. Not that you specifically were putting them up against each other but I hope people in general see that the two situations both men are in are quite different from each other.

I didn't mean to compare Harbaugh versus Cosell. I would not expect or want Harbaugh to call out individual players that way. And obivously a head coach needs to be careful about what is said in the media. My point with Harbaugh, at least listening to his KNBR show, is he will give you absolutely nothing. The KNBR guest might ask about what went wrong, and he will give some generic response about not executing. I always enjoyed listening to Bill Walsh's comments. Even the times I've listened to Fangio, he has provided something interesting or insightful about the team.

[ChrisPozz]

I like listening to Cosell and try to catch him on KNBR. He watches alot of film and discusses what he sees. You don't get much of that on the radio. I much prefer that to listening to Harbaugh who in interviews gives you absolutely nothing. Cosell said the difference with Wilson is his accuracy versus Kap. I would add Wilson for the most part seems to avoid those boneheaded passes Kaepernick has thrown lately. Wilson is no progression master either. Kinda funny since the Seattle homers are always critical of Kap being a one read passer. Watching him play, he seems to throw to his first read which is often times some short misdirection play or checkdown. It looks like a real basic simple system. If that first play is not there, he starts scrambling and its backyard football. If he ever gets injured or slows with age, it will be interesting to see how he performs if forced to play from the pocket. He is no Andrew Luck

Obviously that's because they're speaking from two completely different platforms with different purposes and intentions. It'd be somewhat unfair to judge them or put their words side-by-side against each other unless they're in the same setting and if Harbaugh didn't have to concern himself with something that might happen to him as a coach based on what he said. Not that you specifically were putting them up against each other but I hope people in general see that the two situations both men are in are quite different from each other.

I didn't mean to compare Harbaugh versus Cosell. I would not expect or want Harbaugh to call out individual players that way. And obivously a head coach needs to be careful about what is said in the media. My point with Harbaugh, at least listening to his KNBR show, is he will give you absolutely nothing. The KNBR guest might ask about what went wrong, and he will give some generic response about not executing. I always enjoyed listening to Bill Walsh's comments. Even the times I've listened to Fangio, he has provided something interesting or insightful about the team.

Ok, we're good. I like the give nothing approach more often than not when a coach is actively coaching and I'm fully aware of what that does to outsiders speaking as somebody that talks to a whole lot of football coaches. That's just my preferred style to see in active coaches if that's who he is. Obviously there's positives and negatives to both sides but that's just my preference in most situations - give nothing and let them wonder and assume if that's something you can do.

With all of that said obviously it can be beneficial for some and enjoyable for others (fans) to see a coach take a different approach and I think more fans than not like to hear the detail and things they think is valuable.

I'm more and more fascinated by what fans find as valuable coach speak because I think there's so much coach speak that goes on that's really not all that valuable or something I'd put a whole lot into and I think many coaches have gotten to be so good at getting outsiders to think you're really getting a lot from them but compared to the things you can get from them off the record, behind closed doors, or things you get when a whole lot isn't on the line for them doesn't even compare to what the typical fan gets at home listening to the coaches required media availability periods.

I'm sure I'm not doing the greatest job in explaining what I think because there's a fine line in all of that but that's the best I can do for right now.

[MHSL82]

Obviously that's because they're speaking from two completely different platforms with different purposes and intentions. It'd be somewhat unfair to judge them or put their words side-by-side against each other unless they're in the same setting and if Harbaugh didn't have to concern himself with something that might happen to him as a coach based on what he said. Not that you specifically were putting them up against each other but I hope people in general see that the two situations both men are in are quite different from each other.

I didn't mean to compare Harbaugh versus Cosell. I would not expect or want Harbaugh to call out individual players that way. And obivously a head coach needs to be careful about what is said in the media. My point with Harbaugh, at least listening to his KNBR show, is he will give you absolutely nothing. The KNBR guest might ask about what went wrong, and he will give some generic response about not executing. I always enjoyed listening to Bill Walsh's comments. Even the times I've listened to Fangio, he has provided something interesting or insightful about the team.

Ok, we're good. I like the give nothing approach more often than not when a coach is actively coaching and I'm fully aware of what that does to outsiders speaking as somebody that talks to a whole lot of football coaches. That's just my preferred style to see in active coaches if that's who he is. Obviously there's positives and negatives to both sides but that's just my preference in most situations - give nothing and let them wonder and assume if that's something you can do.

With all of that said obviously it can be beneficial for some and enjoyable for others (fans) to see a coach take a different approach and I think more fans than not like to hear the detail and things they think is valuable.

I'm more and more fascinated by what fans find as valuable coach speak because I think there's so much coach speak that goes on that's really not all that valuable or something I'd put a whole lot into and I think many coaches have gotten to be so good at getting outsiders to think you're really getting a lot from them but compared to the things you can get from them off the record, behind closed doors, or things you get when a whole lot isn't on the line for them doesn't even compare to what the typical fan gets at home listening to the coaches required media availability periods.

I'm sure I'm not doing the greatest job in explaining what I think because there's a fine line in all of that but that's the best I can do for right now.

That's why I think that athletes and coaches should pick the questions to go on and on about. For example, Kaepernick could have talked about the punt pass and kick competition he did when he was 11 years old. If he were more open on those questions, maybe we wouldn't get all the talk about 87 words. Questions about that can't possibly be too bad.

[MHSL82]

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[MHSL82]

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[NinerSickness]

By the way, anyone wanna change their positions about the Kaepernick VS Je Flacco discussion back after Super Bowl 47? So far here have been my positions:

1. Kaepernick won't be a good NFL QB (2011).
2. Joe Flacco is a much better QB than Kaepernick (after Super Bowl 47)
3. Kaepernick is a mediocre QB (2013 season).
4. Niners should trade Kaepernick to the Texans (after the NFCCG loss to Seattle).
5. Niners need to get rid of Kaepernick regardless of how (now).

[zman1]

By the way, anyone wanna change their positions about the Kaepernick VS Je Flacco discussion back after Super Bowl 47? So far here have been my positions:

1. Kaepernick won't be a good NFL QB (2011).
2. Joe Flacco is a much better QB than Kaepernick (after Super Bowl 47)
3. Kaepernick is a mediocre QB (2013 season).
4. Niners should trade Kaepernick to the Texans (after the NFCCG loss to Seattle).
5. Niners need to get rid of Kaepernick regardless of how (now).

Well, nice record, very consistent, 0 for 5. Kap is fine, has had some bad games but will be a very good to great QB over time. Needs more help on O from just about everyone: coaches, WR, TE, and especially O-Line.

He got sacked 5 times against the Raiders who had only 13 sacks coming in. How many QBs have good games when sacked 5 times? Meanwhile the Raiders QB was sitting back in the Sea of Tranquility picking out wide open receivers.

He vastly under-rate Kap, and excuse all else.

[NinerSickness]

Well, nice record, very consistent, 0 for 5. Kap is fine.

You have a really liberal definition of the word "fine."

I think people assume a player is going to get smarter and develop into a more mature player the more experience he gets. That doesn't always happen. Some QBs just simply don't get it & never do because they can't process information fast enough.

[RedneckNiner]

Zman not to be argumentative but did you even watch the game or are you reading the stat lines. Kaep got sacked five times. Partly because he either held the ball too long, is not smart enough to read a defense and yes the offensive line plays a part but Kaep has shown marginal if any growth. He still locks down receivers and if his first option isn't open he seems to get that deer in the headlightls look. Part of it is scheme. The Scheme the coaching staff has put in Kaep is trying to put a square peg in a round hole. Because Kaep is a good pistol gimmick qb but he will never be a good or even average traditional quarterback because he can not read defenses, he can not go through progressions. He doe not posess the mental faculties to do the myriad of other things the really good and elite quarterbacks do. He is who he is. Yes when hes running the pistol hell make some sportscenter plays to wow you. But Kaep is a Ford Pinto with a shiney paint job.