Our offense

[Jikkle]

One thing I just have to rant on is the complete lack of any sort of hurry up offense when it's needed.

I know the offense by design is slow and methodical but it's just amazing there seems to be no system to streamline the processes to get plays quickly called lined up and ran.

[DoobieKeebler]

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Power run team has an all pro fullback and a between-the-tackles RB.


Power run team doesn't use fullback.

Team loses.

Someone needs to be fired. Problem is, Harbaugh is probably too whoo-ra about his guys to fire Roman outright tomorrow. I'd actually like Harbaugh to stay next season, but if he refuses to fire Roman, or pouts like a little bitch, Harbaugh will need to GTFO.

[sjballer03]

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Power run team has an all pro fullback and a between-the-tackles RB.


Power run team doesn't use fullback.

Team loses.

Someone needs to be fired. Problem is, Harbaugh is probably too whoo-ra about his guys to fire Roman outright tomorrow. I'd actually like Harbaugh to stay next season, but if he refuses to fire Roman, or pouts like a little bitch, Harbaugh will need to GTFO.

This is exactly how I feel. Harbaugh brings a lot to the table, but if he can't fire his OC like his brother did a few years back, then he might as well go.

[bmvanthiel]

I'm pretty sure Roman knows that we needed a first down there. Vernon Davis rounded his route too early, like the dumbass he is.

I tend to agree. Still, it's a coach's job to make sure their players understand the situation. Especially after it failed the first time. I know Roman isn't on the sidelines, and Davis isn't the smartest football player in the world, but Roman has to make sure that someone talks to Davis about the shortcoming and fixes it. Certainly that has to happen before we call the play a second time with the game (and, realistically, the season) on the line.

You don't think that Roman (and the rest of the coaching staff) have communicated that to Davis on multiple occasions? I have a hard time believing they didn't.

People are so quick to bash Roman are looking in the wrong place, IMO. He's not without blame, obviously, but the offense has inherent problems that no OC can fix.

1- Kaepernick STILL hasn't developed the nuances of the QB position - pre-snap adjustments, post-snap reads, reading off coverage, going through progressions, protections, reading off safeties, etc. When your QB struggles from a mental standpoint, that SEVERELY hinders your offense as a whole.

2- We have no explosive play-makers. Vernon Davis was the closest thing to that, but he has devolved into a marginal player at this point. We have no one that can consistently make big plays, which can jump-start an offense's momentum when everything else is stagnant.

3- Our OL has regressed. Anthony Davis has been in and out of the lineup. Alex Boone hasn't played as well as he can. Mike Iupati struggles in pass pro, and we have a rookie at C.

One thing that pisses me off about our offensive coaching staff is that they refuse to admit that Kaepernick is NOT a spread QB. He's not 4 or 5 WRs on the field type of QB because he rarely gets passed his 2nd read. We need to establish the run and throw off of the play-action. That's when Kaep does well. Two-TE sets, i-formation play-action passing is our bread and butter. We don't have Aaron Rodgers at QB.

Good post and some valid points.

[Pattersonca65]

1- Kaepernick STILL hasn't developed the nuances of the QB position - pre-snap adjustments, post-snap reads, reading off coverage, going through progressions, protections, reading off safeties, etc. When your QB struggles from a mental standpoint, that SEVERELY hinders your offense as a whole.

2- We have no explosive play-makers. Vernon Davis was the closest thing to that, but he has devolved into a marginal player at this point. We have no one that can consistently make big plays, which can jump-start an offense's momentum when everything else is stagnant.

3- Our OL has regressed. Anthony Davis has been in and out of the lineup. Alex Boone hasn't played as well as he can. Mike Iupati struggles in pass pro, and we have a rookie at C.

One thing that pisses me off about our offensive coaching staff is that they refuse to admit that Kaepernick is NOT a spread QB. He's not 4 or 5 WRs on the field type of QB because he rarely gets passed his 2nd read. We need to establish the run and throw off of the play-action. That's when Kaep does well. Two-TE sets, i-formation play-action passing is our bread and butter. We don't have Aaron Rodgers at QB.[/quote]

Good post and some valid points.[/quote]

Good points above. Greg Cosell talks about Kaepernick's issues above. He called him a predetermined thrower and that if that person is not open, he is ready to take off. Cosell adds to that even Russell Wilson is lacking as a pocket passer and relyies on his scrambling ability. We also don't have receivers that can get open down the field. No one could get separation. We have a duplication at wide receiver. We have a bunch of possession guys but no one who can blow by people. I think we blew it in the last draft by not getting someone that fits the mold.

[MHSL82]

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[Jikkle]

[Rvnight18]

We have no offense.


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[Jikkle]

Strange thing about this year is the staff was so good at adjusting and maximizing the roster in the past but now inexplicably they've been terrible at maximizing the roster's strengths.

I mean why go with the passing attack that's been employed this season?

-Kap isn't ready (and maybe never will be) to handle being like Peyton Manning.

-The offensive line isn't equipped to block for it.

-The Receiving threats aren't' built for it.

-Clearly the coaching staff isn't able to correctly design and employ it.

And what's the point of having Kaepernick if you're not going utilize his ability to run and just ask him to drop back and be a pocket passer?

Granted you want a QB to be able to make reads and not be completely remedial like Seattle's "one read and just scramble for 10 seconds to find a guy who gets open passing attack" but not mixing in Kap's ability to run with the passing attack makes having a dual threat QB pointless.

[CrimsonCrew]

I wanted to resurrect this thread to do a little more looking at the offense, specifically the second half of games.

By my calculations (which could be wrong, I went through kind of quickly), the Niners have scored 67 points in the second half this year, or an average of 4.47 PPG. Twenty-one of those points came in the first game against the Rams. Take away that game, and the Niners have averaged 3.29 PPG in the second half.

They have scored 40 third-quarter points and 27 fourth quarter points.

Since the bye, they have scored three TDs in the second half of games.

In 13 of 15 games, they have scored seven points or less in the second half.

In 18 of 30 second-half quarters, they have not scored at all. In 22 of 30, they have scored three or fewer points. They scored more than one time in a quarter only twice, and have not scored more than seven points in any fourth quarter this year.

They have not scored at all in 10 of 15 fourth quarters, and the starting offense has only one fourth quarter TD.

By contrast, in the first half of games, the Niners have scored 209 points, or an average of 13.9 PPG.

Only twice (both against Seattle) have they been held to seven points or fewer in the first half of games.

Now, that offensive production probably is not top-5 in the league, but it's good offensive production. I know several people on this board have bristled a bit when people jump to blame Roman, and I'm certainly not willing to say that he's the only problem, but the stark difference in first and second half production points squarely at coaching to me. The offense can make plays. What they can't do - seemingly - is make adjustments.

You can point to all sorts of examples of individual players wrecking plays. Kap's fumble against the Rams comes to mind. As do about a dozen missed blocks by Jonathan Martin. But the trend is far too strong for it to be chalked up just to players. At some point, it falls on the coaching staff. This stands out to me even more so as the offensive staff as a group comes up with the game plan. Now, I don't know how much stock to really put in that, but it is clear that this offense cannot get it done in the second half.

If ever the second half struggles were clear, it was this past week, when we couldn't put together any kind of drive when just one decent drive probably wins that game for us. We had nine (NINE!) second half and OT drives in that game. Take away Kap's 90-yard TD run, and those nine drives resulted in 87 yards. None went for more than 33 yards, and only two lasted longer than four plays. We started three drives in SD territory and netted twelve combined yards and no points. It was the perfect way to end a season in which we simply couldn't produce in the second half. I've just never seen anything like it in all the years I've watched football.

[CrimsonCrew]

Oh, also re: second half drives this past week, only one of seven drives in which we were effectively in clock-killing mode (so excluding the final drive and OT) ate more than 2:30 of clock. That one lasted 4:15. Five of seven consumed less than two minutes. SD held the ball two more minutes than we did in the half, even though they were in hurry up and we were trying to kill clock.

[Jikkle]

Two elements indict coaching is the lack of 2nd half adjustments and the red zone offense.

I believe Harbaugh's offense sounded good on paper but ultimately has some fundamental flaws that have been exposed and the offense as a whole has been figured out.

The recent Seattle games are a testament to that as it's clear their defense isn't the least bit confused and completely know what's happening before the play is even ran.

Just speculation on my part but I do feel Harbaugh does realize the offense is broken and he knows it's simply easier to start fresh with another team and correct the flaws in the offense.

[Jikkle]

Seems A Davis is on the fire Roman bandwagon as well.

Never a good sign when the players aren't fully sold on their coaching.

Might be an isolated incident with just Davis but I have a feeling he's not alone in those thoughts. I recall Stately after the second Rams game saying “Penalties, dumb blocks, dumb techniques and dumb schemes.”

[DoobieKeebler]

Seems A Davis is on the fire Roman bandwagon as well.

Never a good sign when the players aren't fully sold on their coaching.

Might be an isolated incident with just Davis but I have a feeling he's not alone in those thoughts. I recall Stately after the second Rams game saying “Penalties, dumb blocks, dumb techniques and dumb schemes.”

Agreed. Especially with the part in bold.

What solidified my perception was reading the Kawakami article about the literal "two locker rooms" at HQ and Levi's. There is no way you can have the team separated, dressing in 2 different locker rooms or working out in 2 different gyms, without creating a disjointed / competing atmosphere among players for what the team narrative actually is. I mean, no wonder some of the players earlier in the season (can't remember who, exactly. Vernon?) acted so indignant when the media asked if there was any tension simmering under the surface, as if the media had been entirely wrong about every Harbaugh story from April to October, when the team was constantly divided in separate areas, barely seeing the other half.

Even given all that, I kind of get why Jim would have (initially) wanted to keep the players dressing in HQ during the week and then move over to Levi's, but I think that would have been better executed/recieved if the situation was the opposite - new HQ, old stadium - because the stadium would be hollowed ground and iconic ala Soldier or Lambeau fields, but trying to keep players in old/dilapidated (the HQ locker room looked old when I visited it for a football camp in the mid 90s) locker room instead of encouraging players to establish a connection to Levi's as their new stomping grounds seems not only dumb, but reeks of curmudgeonly old man-ness ("In my day we didn't have your fancy gyms, ipods or doctors and we LIKED IT!").

[Tomikcon1971]

Side note...the guy scares me from an off field choices and a cost perspective but Dez Bryant is so much of a threat and talent it'a awfully awfully tempting......

[clyde21]

To put things in perspective, this offense produced LESS than the Singletary/Raye offense a few years back. Insane.

[NinerSickness]

Side note...the guy scares me from an off field choices and a cost perspective but Dez Bryant is so much of a threat and talent it'a awfully awfully tempting......

He'll get the tag if he doesn't sign long term.