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If he takes a pay cut I would be open to the idea but $19 million for a 39 year old rental is just too much and that cap space could be better utilized on younger players that will be around longer.
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.One thing to consider the Niners are over the projected cap atm. By Cutting VD and Ahmad they can get just a bit under it. So Releasing Kap and who else to get Peyton knowing that you at best could have Peyton or Suh but not both. And I have a feeling if Gase takes the job with the Niners its going to strongly indicate Peyton is hanging it up. Otherwise if the Broncos are offeering he'd stay there
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This is all silly talk. No matter how much bringing Peyton Manning here is discussed, he isn't coming here. There is no hint that 49er management is even interested in bringing him here. From what I'ver read, management is committed to Kaepernick next year. So talking about brining Manning or any other QB like that here or talking about it being gloom and doom with Kaepernick is pointless. If you think that is the case, then you might as well abandon following the team cause mgmt isn't coming to this forum for guidance.
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Pattersonca65 wrote:This is all silly talk. No matter how much bringing Peyton Manning here is discussed, he isn't coming here. There is no hint that 49er management is even interested in bringing him here. From what I'ver read, management is committed to Kaepernick next year. So talking about brining Manning or any other QB like that here or talking about it being gloom and doom with Kaepernick is pointless.
1. It is gloom and doom with Kaeptard.
2. The team doesn't even have a coaching staff, so I don't care what beat writers think is going to happen in the offseason. Has publicly said DumbDumb will be back next year? No? Well then until he does I'll hold out hope that he's not derptastic enough to bring back a guaranteed sucky QB situation.
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NinerSickness wrote:Pattersonca65 wrote:This is all silly talk. No matter how much bringing Peyton Manning here is discussed, he isn't coming here. There is no hint that 49er management is even interested in bringing him here. From what I'ver read, management is committed to Kaepernick next year. So talking about brining Manning or any other QB like that here or talking about it being gloom and doom with Kaepernick is pointless.
1. It is gloom and doom with Kaeptard.
2. The team doesn't even have a coaching staff, so I don't care what beat writers think is going to happen in the offseason. Has publicly said DumbDumb will be back next year? No? Well then until he does I'll hold out hope that he's not derptastic enough to bring back a guaranteed sucky QB situation.
If you think Kaepernick is gloom and doom, you ought to prepare for it now then. All indications from what has been reported is that Kaepernick will be the starter going into the next year. The new coaching staff is not going to have control over personnel decisions. You might as well hope for a trade for Andrew Luck cause the odds of Manning landing here aren't much better
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Sick your cool most of the time but the NFL is not Madden. I could say it with 99% surety the Niners aren't getting Manning because a the Broncos won't trade him and B the Niners don't have the cap room. Its a semi nice pipe dream but the reality is for next year at least it will Be Kaepernick and hopefully Hoyer or Sanchez to come in and push him.
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RedneckNiner wrote:Sick your cool most of the time but the NFL is not Madden. I could say it with 99% surety the Niners aren't getting Manning because a the Broncos won't trade him and B the Niners don't have the cap room. Its a semi nice pipe dream but the reality is for next year at least it will Be Kaepernick and hopefully Hoyer or Sanchez to come in and push him.
1. I know it's not likely to happen. I even said as much. However...
2. Was it a game of Madden when the Packers traded Brett Favre to the Jets? I thought that really happened. Pretty similar situation.
3. The 49ers could EASILY fit Manning under the cap. That's not even one of the top 10 problems with the scenario.
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Here's what happens in 2015 with the following options:
1. Kaepernick - The best the Niners do is lose the NFCCG; Guaranteed. Probably lose in divisional or wildcard round. He will NEVER win a Super Bowl. Ever.
2. Sanchez - could possibly win a SB with all the extra money spent on defense that the QB would've gotten. Most likely wouldn't.
3. Peyton - could easily win a SB w/ the Niners. The defense will be better than anything he's had in a long time, and he'll make the Niners already good OL look like the 2007 Pats' O-line in pass protection. Not to mention Stevie & Vernon having career years (and Boldin if he's back). Running game would dominate.
4. Rookie - Might make the playoffs. Wins 1 playoff game if he's insanely lucky. Probably wins around 8 games.
Only options 2 & 4 help the 2016 situation. Only option 3 can possibly get a HOME Super Bowl. And since Peyton wouldn't leave any dead money, he'd leave plenty of money for the 2016 cap to re-sign Aldon & Vernon.
Imagine the scenario: Peyton's last run will make Ray Lewis' last run look like nothing. He'll get every call. Frank Gore & Justin Smith would come back for 1 more year, and they would get all kinds of sympathy too. Even Boldin would. And the Niners would play at home if they could get around Seattle, who's already peaked (and Wilson's about to sign a monster contract).
I don't think there's any way Peyton is going to play in Denver next year. He's probably either going to be trade or retire. Even Brett Favre was 1 play away from getting back to the SB w/ Minnesota in what should've been his last year, and the Niners are exactly like they were. Except the Niners have a better D than they did. And Manning was open to coming here before! This stuff writes itself! It's a win-win.
1. Kaepernick - The best the Niners do is lose the NFCCG; Guaranteed. Probably lose in divisional or wildcard round. He will NEVER win a Super Bowl. Ever.
2. Sanchez - could possibly win a SB with all the extra money spent on defense that the QB would've gotten. Most likely wouldn't.
3. Peyton - could easily win a SB w/ the Niners. The defense will be better than anything he's had in a long time, and he'll make the Niners already good OL look like the 2007 Pats' O-line in pass protection. Not to mention Stevie & Vernon having career years (and Boldin if he's back). Running game would dominate.
4. Rookie - Might make the playoffs. Wins 1 playoff game if he's insanely lucky. Probably wins around 8 games.
Only options 2 & 4 help the 2016 situation. Only option 3 can possibly get a HOME Super Bowl. And since Peyton wouldn't leave any dead money, he'd leave plenty of money for the 2016 cap to re-sign Aldon & Vernon.
Imagine the scenario: Peyton's last run will make Ray Lewis' last run look like nothing. He'll get every call. Frank Gore & Justin Smith would come back for 1 more year, and they would get all kinds of sympathy too. Even Boldin would. And the Niners would play at home if they could get around Seattle, who's already peaked (and Wilson's about to sign a monster contract).
I don't think there's any way Peyton is going to play in Denver next year. He's probably either going to be trade or retire. Even Brett Favre was 1 play away from getting back to the SB w/ Minnesota in what should've been his last year, and the Niners are exactly like they were. Except the Niners have a better D than they did. And Manning was open to coming here before! This stuff writes itself! It's a win-win.
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Salary cap projections have the Niners at 149 million with a cap projected at 140 million cutting vd and Brooks can clear 11 million need 5+ million for rookies. So while I believe the cap can be managed a bit that 19 million of manning is huge. If Justin retort that's approximately 6 million saved. So yes it can be managed to an extent but that's a lot of work to pay someone to choke at the end
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RedneckNiner wrote:As for Favre the pack had that kid Rodgers waiting to lead them to the promised land just like when the Niners traded Joe to the chiefs cause they had Steve.
But Osweiller's so tall, he could see the whole field and no one would bat his passes down! (Sarcasm) I'm not for or against Manning being here.
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RedneckNiner wrote:As for Favre the pack had that kid Rodgers waiting to lead them to the promised land just like when the Niners traded Joe to the chiefs cause they had Steve.
The Broncos are no longer contenders with or without Manning. They're cleaning house. I highly doubt they even want Manning back next year, and I doubt Manning wants to come back.
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RedneckNiner wrote:Salary cap projections have the Niners at 149 million with a cap projected at 140 million cutting vd and Brooks can clear 11 million need 5+ million for rookies. So while I believe the cap can be managed a bit that 19 million of manning is huge. If Justin retort that's approximately 6 million saved. So yes it can be managed to an extent but that's a lot of work to pay someone to choke at the end
Better to take the risk of Peyton choking than the guarantee Kaepernick's gonna throw a stupid fade to lose the season & get 70 delay-of-game penalties and run out of bounds for a loss and not see open receivers. Or the guarantee that a rookie won't even get to the SB or NFCCG.
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NinerSickness wrote:RedneckNiner wrote:As for Favre the pack had that kid Rodgers waiting to lead them to the promised land just like when the Niners traded Joe to the chiefs cause they had Steve.
The Broncos are no longer contenders with or without Manning. They're cleaning house. I highly doubt they even want Manning back next year, and I doubt Manning wants to come back.
Elway told Peyton and has told the media he wants Peyton back next year. Not that I believe everything I hear from every team's mean that runs the show but this time I do 100%. Whether he'll want to come back or not is up in the air, though.
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ChrisPozz wrote:Elway told Peyton and has told the media he wants Peyton back next year. Not that I believe everything I hear from every team's mean that runs the show but this time I do 100%. Whether he'll want to come back or not is up in the air, though.
Elway's smart. He'd listen to a trade offer if a team put something decent on the table. Of course he's going to tell Peyton he wants him back. What else would he say? But Peyton & Elway know the window in Denver is closed.
Peyton's the Niners' only realistic shot of winning a SB next year. Or in the next 2 or 3 years even because it'll take a while to develop a rookie QB.
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I think Peyton's career post-season record can be set down to him being a great QB who gets good-not-great teams into important playoffs and into Super Bowls.
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shazam_guy wrote:I think Peyton's career post-season record can be set down to him being a great QB who gets good-not-great teams into important playoffs and into Super Bowls.
He easily had the best roster in the NFL in 2005, and he overthrew everyone in the playoffs. HUGE choke job. He's had a number of other great rosters he pissed away choking too.
He's a total choker, but the Niners' defense can be good enough to win with him even if he plays poorly (like the Colts dis against the Bears in the Super Bowl).