Niners promote Mangini

jackwindham · Post #1 » by **jackwindham** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:43 am

It is basically all but official now. Eric Mangini is being promoted from tight ends coach to defensive coordinator. Guy does have a bit of a reputation because of his previous coaching stints. However, the Oakland Raiders liked him enough to interview him for both the head coach and defensive coordinator positions. He also interviewed with the Washington Redskins as well. He could be quite the asset for Jim Tomsula.

49er4life1979 · Post #2 » by **49er4life1979** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:43 am

jackwindham wrote:It is basically all but official now. Eric Mangini is being promoted from tight ends coach to defensive coordinator. Guy does have a bit of a reputation because of his previous coaching stints. However, the Oakland Raiders liked him enough to interview him for both the head coach and defensive coordinator positions. He also interviewed with the Washington Redskins as well. He could be quite the asset for Jim Tomsula.

I like this hire. Mangini is going back to his roots. He also runs the 3-4 defense, but his systems involves a lot of schemes which vary from game to game, and overall, is more aggressive than Fangio's. Will he better than Fangio, we will find out.

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #3 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:19 am

49er4life1979 wrote:
jackwindham wrote:It is basically all but official now. Eric Mangini is being promoted from tight ends coach to defensive coordinator. Guy does have a bit of a reputation because of his previous coaching stints. However, the Oakland Raiders liked him enough to interview him for both the head coach and defensive coordinator positions. He also interviewed with the Washington Redskins as well. He could be quite the asset for Jim Tomsula.

I like this hire. Mangini is going back to his roots. He also runs the 3-4 defense, but his systems involves a lot of schemes which vary from game to game, and overall, is more aggressive than Fangio's. Will he better than Fangio, we will find out.

I strongly agree!

clyde21 · Post #4 » by **clyde21** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:51 am

Mangini and Sparano are both previous HCs. Chud would be another. This was probably wanted they wanted to do - surround Tomsula with guys who've been in his position before.

jackwindham · Post #5 » by **jackwindham** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:26 pm

49er4life1979 wrote:I like this hire. Mangini is going back to his roots. He also runs the 3-4 defense, but his systems involves a lot of schemes which vary from game to game, and overall, is more aggressive than Fangio's. Will he better than Fangio, we will find out.

Fangio did run a simpler scheme, but it produced tremendously over the last couple of years. Defense probably overachieved a little this past season because of the inexperience and injuries.

tallglassowater · Post #6 » by **tallglassowater** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:16 pm

Is he going to Norv Turner us though? Say he has success...is this just an audition for a HC job somewhere else?

jackwindham · Post #7 » by **jackwindham** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:35 pm

tallglassowater wrote:Is he going to Norv Turner us though? Say he has success...is this just an audition for a HC job somewhere else?

You're going to have that risk with just about every coordinator that becomes successful. Personally, I don't mind them leaving. I'd rather have coaches who are ambitious. They can leave behind the base of their scheme and an assistant can then rise up.

Jikkle · Post #8 » by **Jikkle** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:22 am

tallglassowater wrote:Is he going to Norv Turner us though? Say he has success...is this just an audition for a HC job somewhere else?

It's why in general I'm not a fan of defensive minded head coaches because they typically have mediocre offenses unless they have an amazing QB at the helm.

If they get a good OC they are gone quickly as a HC somewhere so either it's someone like a Bevell in Seattle where he's not great but not bad enough to fire either or someone bad enough to get fired.

Post #9 » by **MHSL82** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:29 am

Jikkle wrote:
tallglassowater wrote:Is he going to Norv Turner us though? Say he has success...is this just an audition for a HC job somewhere else?

It's why in general I'm not a fan of defensive minded head coaches because they typically have mediocre offenses unless they have an amazing QB at the helm.

If they get a good OC they are gone quickly as a HC somewhere so either it's someone like a Bevell in Seattle where he's not great but not bad enough to fire either or someone bad enough to get fired.

I agree, but it should be the opposite - a defensive minded coach should be able to bring in assistants that are good, use their expertise in coaching and game planning, and stay away from the offense. A great defense would allow a ball control offense to do better. But instead, these defensive mind coaches get worse OC's and have no clue (some) how to game plan offensively but still try to do it with their perspective. It's like trying to fool yourself, everything you would plan to strategize against defenses, you know how to defend, so you either try to outsmart or resort to physicality too much (hit 'em in da mouf). Or you get the competent ones. Hopefully, that's our case (you can be competent without being great nor necessarily good enough - just not bumbling and stay out of the way. Obviously, not the goal, just saying it can happen before replacement.)

jackwindham · Post #10 » by **jackwindham** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:50 am

Defensive minded coaches aren't oblivious to the offensive side of the ball. Keep in mind that they spent countless hours studying the various offensive schemes in the NFL. They have an idea of what works and what does not work.

tallglassowater · Post #11 » by **tallglassowater** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:51 am

jackwindham wrote:
tallglassowater wrote:Is he going to Norv Turner us though? Say he has success...is this just an audition for a HC job somewhere else?

You're going to have that risk with just about every coordinator that becomes successful. Personally, I don't mind them leaving. I'd rather have coaches who are ambitious. They can leave behind the base of their scheme and an assistant can then rise up.

I'm fine with coaches leaving, just don't like the one year coaches. Unless we got a Superbowl. Then i wouldn't care who left cause I would ride that Superbowl for a decade.

Jikkle · Post #12 » by **Jikkle** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:32 pm

The issue with defensive minded coaches is they tend to be conservative, have a play not to lose mindset, and put too much trust in their defense to win games.

The problem with that is the rules favor offense especially the passing offense so it's far more difficult to be successful with the whole ball control power running game and playing great defense formula.

It does work for Seattle but looking deeper despite having the top rushing attack and top passing attack this season they still needed Wilson to pull of some miracles to get to the SB. If they were just a little worse on defense they're probably watching the SB at home.

The NFL just typically favors the bold and aggressive mentality now than it does the conservative and play not to lose mentality.

49er4life1979 · Post #13 » by **49er4life1979** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:10 pm

I live in Cleveland, so I can attest to some things about Mangini when he was here. Word was that he rubbed some players the wrong way, I guess he was acting too much like Belichick. And I say don't act like Belichick until you win like Belichick. Hopefully he's learned that. But on the positive side, the Browns were among the least penalized teams in the NFL while he was here. The Niners could definitely benefit from that lol

jackwindham · Post #14 » by **jackwindham** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:31 pm

Jikkle wrote:The issue with defensive minded coaches is they tend to be conservative, have a play not to lose mindset, and put too much trust in their defense to win games.

A conservative offense doesn't necessarily mean that the team will fail to win a lot of games. Niners managed to do pretty well with a conservative offense under Harbaugh. Plenty of coaches have won with the "ground and pound" style that defensive coordinators seem to prefer.