Jim Tomsula, the new Niners' head coach

[Dodub]

I'm guessing they requested Harbaugh to retain Tomsula as DL coach, rather than hire someone else that Harbaugh and his staff were familiar with.

Now if they had insisted that Harbaugh make Tomsula the DC 4 years ago, Harbaugh would have signed with Miami or someone else.

Makes you wonder what they'd have done with a more in-demand candidate like Quinn or Ryan.

Most coordinators earn their position because of the body of work, not because the ownership demands that the HC hire the coordinator they want.

Stop guessing, it's meaningless.

How hasn't Tomsula's body of work earneda DC spot?

[generaldreedle]

The Gase issue is like Patterson said, it's the process that's concerning. It's like the firing of Harbaugh; I can understand Harbaugh has a shelf life, and that his offense had problems that maybe he was too stubborn to address, but the whisper campaign, the bs press conference, etc., was not good , Kawakami even republished an old column he wrote about Singletary, that he deserved to be fired but that the whisper campaign, again by the Yorks, was unfair.

[I_am_1z]

The Gase issue is like Patterson said, it's the process that's concerning. It's like the firing of Harbaugh; I can understand Harbaugh has a shelf life, and that his offense had problems that maybe he was too stubborn to address, but the whisper campaign, the bs press conference, etc., was not good , Kawakami even republished an old column he wrote about Singletary, that he deserved to be fired but that the whisper campaign, again by the Yorks, was unfair.

But they were right in firing Sing and they were right in hiring Harbaugh. I'm thankful they didn't wait another year to fire Harbaugh just because they felt they owed it to him.

[generaldreedle]

But they were right in firing Sing and they were right in hiring Harbaugh. I'm thankful they didn't wait another year to fire Harbaugh just because they felt they owed it to him.

If at the end of this year, York and Baalke had met with Harbaugh and basically said, "Look, the offense is a mess, Kaepernick has not developed the way we had all envisioned, you have a ton of offensive coaches each calling plays, what is your plan for moving forward and improving?" and Harbaugh had no new ideas beyond sticking loyally with his guys, then letting him go would be reasonable, but these things started this time last year, when Kaepernick and co came within a Richard Sherman fingertip of going to their 2nd Super Bowl, so it was obviously personality driven, and they knew Harbaugh was going to be difficult when they hired him. Also their fascination with Tomsula was interesting, if they were so intent on having continuity in the defense, they probably could have hired Gase and maybe kept Fangio, Gase MIGHT have been more willing to accept Fangio as his DC and Fangio might have been more willing to stay if he wasn't passed over for someone below him.

[Ray_Dogg]

@AlbertBreer: Source said Adam Gase's pitch to the Niners was to a) keep Vic Fangio as DC if he was willing or b) hire Vance Joseph from Cincinnati. ...
@AlbertBreer: ... There was the chance Fangio would've left any way, and the Bengals did block Joseph. But interesting Gase wanted to keep Fangio.

Then Jed insisted on Tomsula as the DC and eventually HC.

[I_am_1z]

But they were right in firing Sing and they were right in hiring Harbaugh. I'm thankful they didn't wait another year to fire Harbaugh just because they felt they owed it to him.

If at the end of this year, York and Baalke had met with Harbaugh and basically said, "Look, the offense is a mess, Kaepernick has not developed the way we had all envisioned, you have a ton of offensive coaches each calling plays, what is your plan for moving forward and improving?" and Harbaugh had no new ideas beyond sticking loyally with his guys, then letting him go would be reasonable, but these things started this time last year, when Kaepernick and co came within a Richard Sherman fingertip of going to their 2nd Super Bowl, so it was obviously personality driven, and they knew Harbaugh was going to be difficult when they hired him. Also their fascination with Tomsula was interesting, if they were so intent on having continuity in the defense, they probably could have hired Gase and maybe kept Fangio, Gase MIGHT have been more willing to accept Fangio as his DC and Fangio might have been more willing to stay if he wasn't passed over for someone below him.

I think this whole thing started in the SB vs the Ravens. How Gore wasn't able to run it, when we had the ball on their GL. The next year we lost some silly games because of playcalling and it allowed the Seahawks to take home field advantage throughout the playoffs. Then there were reports of wanting to trade Harbaugh. Despite the reports we kept the gun aimed at our foot, consistently losing games due to bad playcalling. I think he was deservingly fired

[Pattersonca65]

@AlbertBreer: Source said Adam Gase's pitch to the Niners was to a) keep Vic Fangio as DC if he was willing or b) hire Vance Joseph from Cincinnati. ...
@AlbertBreer: ... There was the chance Fangio would've left any way, and the Bengals did block Joseph. But interesting Gase wanted to keep Fangio.

Then Jed insisted on Tomsula as the DC and eventually HC.

If that was Jed who was insisting on Tomsula, that is truly ridiculous. Jed doesn't have a football background. This is what Al Davis did. It doesn't work and top head coaching prospects will not go to a team where the owner dictates who the assistants are going to be

[generaldreedle]

@AlbertBreer: Source said Adam Gase's pitch to the Niners was to a) keep Vic Fangio as DC if he was willing or b) hire Vance Joseph from Cincinnati. ...
@AlbertBreer: ... There was the chance Fangio would've left any way, and the Bengals did block Joseph. But interesting Gase wanted to keep Fangio.

Then Jed insisted on Tomsula as the DC and eventually HC.

Ughh, that type of meddling is a recipe for a bad franchise, I can't imagine Baalke would have insisted on tomsula over fangio.

[-AC-]

@AlbertBreer: Source said Adam Gase's pitch to the Niners was to a) keep Vic Fangio as DC if he was willing or b) hire Vance Joseph from Cincinnati. ...
@AlbertBreer: ... There was the chance Fangio would've left any way, and the Bengals did block Joseph. But interesting Gase wanted to keep Fangio.

Then Jed insisted on Tomsula as the DC and eventually HC.

Wasn't it Baalke who met with Gase for seven hours in Denver... Was York in Denver as well?

[DoobieKeebler]

"Sources: If 49ers hired Gase, Fangio would have stayed"

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/sources-if-49ers-hired-gase-fangio-would-have-stayed

[generaldreedle]

"Sources: If 49ers hired Gase, Fangio would have stayed"

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/sources-if-49ers-hired-gase-fangio-would-have-stayed

So their options were: 1) Gase running the team as HC and offensive mind, turning the defensive side of the ball over to Fangio, whom the players respected; or 2) Make Tomsula HC, and then _____ as OC?

[Pattersonca65]

@AlbertBreer: Source said Adam Gase's pitch to the Niners was to a) keep Vic Fangio as DC if he was willing or b) hire Vance Joseph from Cincinnati. ...
@AlbertBreer: ... There was the chance Fangio would've left any way, and the Bengals did block Joseph. But interesting Gase wanted to keep Fangio.

Then Jed insisted on Tomsula as the DC and eventually HC.

Wasn't it Baalke who met with Gase for seven hours in Denver... Was York in Denver as well?

Not sure, I am sure Jed would have told Baalke what the conditions were including retaining Tomsula as DC. They could have even done a phone conference. I just find it hard to believe Baalke, who is pretty bright football guy, would insist on retaining Tomsula this way. This just appears Jed has a thing for Tomsula.

[Ray_Dogg]

@AlbertBreer: Source said Adam Gase's pitch to the Niners was to a) keep Vic Fangio as DC if he was willing or b) hire Vance Joseph from Cincinnati. ...
@AlbertBreer: ... There was the chance Fangio would've left any way, and the Bengals did block Joseph. But interesting Gase wanted to keep Fangio.

Then Jed insisted on Tomsula as the DC and eventually HC.

Wasn't it Baalke who met with Gase for seven hours in Denver... Was York in Denver as well?

Baalke flew back and talked to York. That is when the decision changed. It's pretty obvious Jed want d to keep Tomsula. Baalke is paid by Jed so he isn't gonna draw a line in the sand on that.

[Pattersonca65]

"Sources: If 49ers hired Gase, Fangio would have stayed"

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/sources-if-49ers-hired-gase-fangio-would-have-stayed

So their options were: 1) Gase running the team as HC and offensive mind, turning the defensive side of the ball over to Fangio, whom the players respected; or 2) Make Tomsula HC, and then _____ as OC?

I would have taken option 1. I was not thrilled with Gase, but if it meant keeping the defensive coaching staff intact, at least we retained one of the top DCs and there was continuity. Add to that, Gase doesn't have to get that much out of the offense when comparing it to Harbaugh/Roman's tenure.

[CalamityX12]

I hate York n baalke more than ever

[Jikkle]

I don't have a problem with Tomsula getting a shot as a DC but the issue is that being made a condition for Gase and possibly other candidates as well.

It's just not a good way of doing business to force coaches especially coordinators on new head coaches. Of course guys are going to turn you down because they want to work with people they know and have a shared vision and comfort level with. I wouldn't want a guy that I didn't chose for the job to be a reason my career could be adversely affected if he isn't up to snuff.

And to top it all off the front office has the audacity to offer him the OC position to work under the guy he wouldn't take as DC. So the only reason he doesn't get the HC gig is because he wouldn't take Tomsula as DC but now for some reason completely beyond my comprehension they think he would work UNDER Tomsula as OC?

If all this is true then I'm deeply concerned as a fan.

Instead of bringing in an offensive minded guy that potentially could've brought a system and life to the offense while keeping the defensive staff that had the defense playing at an elite level Jed just decided to completely blow the whole thing up for one guy that is unproven whose coaching chops mainly come from NFL Europe.

[Pattersonca65]

I don't have a problem with Tomsula getting a shot as a DC but the issue is that being made a condition for Gase and possibly other candidates as well.

It's just not a good way of doing business to force coaches especially coordinators on new head coaches. Of course guys are going to turn you down because they want to work with people they know and have a shared vision and comfort level with. I wouldn't want a guy that I didn't chose for the job to be a reason my career could be adversely affected if he isn't up to snuff.

And to top it all off the front office has the audacity to offer him the OC position to work under the guy he wouldn't take as DC. So the only reason he doesn't get the HC gig is because he wouldn't take Tomsula as DC but now for some reason completely beyond my comprehension they think he would work UNDER Tomsula as OC?

If all this is true then I'm deeply concerned as a fan.

Instead of bringing in an offensive minded guy that potentially could've brought a system and life to the offense while keeping the defensive staff that had the defense playing at an elite level Jed just decided to completely blow the whole thing up for one guy that is unproven line coach whose coaching chops mainly come from NFL Europe.

I added line coach to your statement. That is it in a nutshell. I think if Fangio was HC, he would have been able to attract a good OC here.

[zman1]

I was told by a family member last night that he had seen an SI article on the Niners coaching hiring. It said that they had Gase set to hire as HC, and at the last minute told him he had to hire Tomsula for OC. He said no and walked. Anyone else seen that article?

[-AC-]

I was told by a family member last night that he had seen an SI article on the Niners coaching hiring. It said that they had Gase set to hire as HC, and at the last minute told him he had to hire Tomsula for OC. He said no and walked. Anyone else seen that article?

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