Thanks Jed

[Pattersonca65]

I can see this now. The 49ers are one of these teams that is going to rotate QBs all season long. Gabbert will completely stink it up a couple of games. Then they'll put Kap back he will struggle. Then we will have a QB controversy of which QB stinks less, Then some will start talking about giving the Dylan Thompson a chance to start.

[Pattersonca65]

Another article talking about all this.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/11/3/9661754/we-knew-colin-kaepernicks-days-were-numbered-but-49ers-should-have-handled-this-better

[ChrisPozz]

Where did you see Marathe is the leaker?

I hate to post another forum's post but this is what I saw

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/183738-there-report-paraag-marathe-leaker/

Thanks for posting. I don't know who these people are or how accurate any of that is. I never liked Marathe anyway. Seems like an arrogant guy. He has been involved in football related matters way more than he should be. If I took over the team, one of the first things I would do is remove him from any football related operations. Let him crunch cap nimbers, work on stadium and team related business. But he should have no part in the hiring process of any of the coaches or in personnel decisions. Marathe is starting to remind me of Robert Rowell,

Speaking of the Warriors, I was watching them blow away Memphis on TV last night and got me thinking of Jed's comments about the Warrior coaching change and the parallel to the Tomsula hiring. Looking back at those comments, man does he look like an idiot right now.

I'm still waiting for even a small percentage of 49ers fans to gain an accurate picture of Marathe's job responsibilities based on what's actually known. Until then, it's going to continue to be too much of emotional projecting for my liking based on things people inaccurately stretched (solely using a computer to make draft picks, sign players, hire coaches, etc). This stuff has been going on for over 10 freaking years.

[ChrisPozz]

Thanks Jed.

I'm almost at the point where I would rather see the team get demolished every week so you can get torn to shreds by fans and the media than see the team win.

That's my only hope is that Jed will get so tired of being embarrassed and people calling him an idiot that he'll get fed up enough that he'll wipe the board clean, bring in an actual smart football guy to run things, and step away like all owners should do.

Who do you propose?

[Pattersonca65]

Here is a sobering article

http://www.forbes.com/sites#/sites/vincentfrank/2015/11/02/for-the-san-francisco-49ers-its-been-an-organization-wide-failure/

[wco81]

What we're going to get a look at Paarag's HR file?

It doesn't have to say "leak vicious rumors to the media about the HC and QB" for him to do it, if that's what Jed wants the lackey to do.

[Jikkle]

Thanks Jed.

I'm almost at the point where I would rather see the team get demolished every week so you can get torn to shreds by fans and the media than see the team win.

That's my only hope is that Jed will get so tired of being embarrassed and people calling him an idiot that he'll get fed up enough that he'll wipe the board clean, bring in an actual smart football guy to run things, and step away like all owners should do.

Who do you propose?

Off hand I would bring in a guy like Ron Wolf as consultant to help Jed put together a more football oriented structure to the front office.

Jed needs to look outside the organization and start looking to bring in guys that come from other successful organizations like say the Steelers who usually a consistent and stable team.

It's clear what the York's and by extension Jed have had and have in place isn't really working. Aside from a brief respite with Harbaugh the team has been the model for dysfunction and ineptness.

I do actual believe Jed wants to win and be an owner like Eddie D but on the flipside I think he's in love with Silicon Valley and is trying to run a team in that fashion and wants to be know for how much "smarter" his team is compared to everybody else.

The funny thing if Jed wants to be a beloved owner all he has to do is find the right guy to run the operations and kick back in his office and sign the checks while counting his money and collecting the accolades. Everyone praises Robert Kraft for being such a great owner but what does he do except let Belichick and Brady do all the work.

[tallglassowater]

I wish people could get organized enough to just stop supporting the team with Jed in command. If they started losing money hand over foot he would be forced out pretty damned quick.

You would never get enough people to organize to a level where they would lose money. They rake a good chunk of their money from the TV deals and merchandising.

The only realistic hope I can see is just embarrassing him to the point where they want to sell or he'll have no choice but to keep making moves until the team is good. People booing at the games especially nationally televised ones, trolling his twitter account (within reason), and the media hounding him nonstop are all ways to keep the pressure up.

Right now he's taking an absolute pounding from everywhere from fans, local media, and national media so there is no way he hasn't notice and there is no way he can be happy about it which is what is needed.

Yeah, I know it won't happen but I honestly think that losing money is the only thing that will change things. Sure people have egos, but if I have cash rolling in, I don't care who boos me, harasses me on twitter or anything else. You need ownership that cares first about the team and second about the money. Winning will bring more value than anything else.

[generaldreedle]

I don't know enough about Marathe to criticize what he does, but the reporters seem to be saying that he was the source of some of the undermining leaks that have made this franchise "lacking in class." My problem is with the Yorks, period, they have hired crappy coaches with the exception of Harbaugh who reportedly wanted to stay in the Bay Area, they seem to be responsible for very management friendly leaks that implicate anyone but them, whether it's Harbaugh, Kaepernick, etc. And now Baalke's tenure, despite being a mentee of Bill Parcels, has not worked out well-- he has had a slew of extra picks over the last few years and yet this team looks decimated, with no one available to take over from the departed players. They badly misjudged this team and IF they were going to let Harbaugh go they should have recognized that the quarterback is the most important position in football and they should have gone out and gotten the best offensive staff they could have --- instead of Tomsula and Chryst. And finally Jed seemed to have interfered with us getting Gase and being able to retain Fangio when he insisted his mole (Tomsula) be the DC.

[ChrisPozz]

Thanks Jed.

I'm almost at the point where I would rather see the team get demolished every week so you can get torn to shreds by fans and the media than see the team win.

That's my only hope is that Jed will get so tired of being embarrassed and people calling him an idiot that he'll get fed up enough that he'll wipe the board clean, bring in an actual smart football guy to run things, and step away like all owners should do.

Who do you propose?

Off hand I would bring in a guy like Ron Wolf as consultant to help Jed put together a more football oriented structure to the front office.

Jed needs to look outside the organization and start looking to bring in guys that come from other successful organizations like say the Steelers who usually a consistent and stable team.

It's clear what the York's and by extension Jed have had and have in place isn't really working. Aside from a brief respite with Harbaugh the team has been the model for dysfunction and ineptness.

I do actual believe Jed wants to win and be an owner like Eddie D but on the flipside I think he's in love with Silicon Valley and is trying to run a team in that fashion and wants to be know for how much "smarter" his team is compared to everybody else.

The funny thing if Jed wants to be a beloved owner all he has to do is find the right guy to run the operations and kick back in his office and sign the checks while counting his money and collecting the accolades. Everyone praises Robert Kraft for being such a great owner but what does he do except let Belichick and Brady do all the work.

Love Ron Wolf as a football mind and I was one who called for his possible hiring in a large role when they were going through the whole Nolan thing because he had sent it out that he could maybe be persuaded to get back into things. Since then he's disclosed that a large role would no longer be an option for him at his age (76, I think).

I know you said as a consultant. I was just pointing out how I've felt about Ron Wolf for many years now. That would be a very interesting idea if he felt like he wanted to join short term in some kind of role. He joined the Jets last December as a consultant with Charley Casserly to help them hire and re-structure the football and front office sides of the organization. Casserly was reportedly more of the lead dog in that effort, though.

I'm not sure what the stipulations would be for a guy like Wolf at his age anymore but I'll give you some credit - not that you care - for presenting an interesting name at least. He still has impressive ties to several guys in the NFL based on what I've gathered on him. Would his people who advise him recommend he step into this big of a mess at his age? I'm not sure. That could be a problem. Sadly.

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To me, the most realistic and simplest way of doing business now is to promote to Tom Gamble as far up the ladder as you possibly can where everybody who is realistically going to still be in the picture could live and work with each other.

I'm assuming that Gamble would even want to undertake such a task and the major players who are going to be in their positions no matter what (Jed, Sobrato, Wan, Yu, and likely Baalke) would be willing to work alongside him. I don't know if Gamble would now be open to that or if those major players would be open to that kind of thing but that's the move that makes the most sense.

Many of the names that appeal to me are probably going to be scared off by the organization at this point, feel like they have better situations where they currently reside, or could go elsewhere for other various reasons.

That's the major thing people need to keep on considering more often IMO. Who can you get? And if you're going to continue to let go of people who are currently there, how close to a guarantee can you give yourself that you'll upgrade?

Gamble is already one of the most highly respected personnel men in the game, has the kind of background that appeals to me personally, supposedly has the make up to work with the people who are going to be in this organization no matter what people want, and supposedly likes the area and is again supposedly comfortable without being close to his extended family in Philadelphia.

Now, as I said before, would he want to make the jump up in job title and responsibilities given the current state of where the organization is at and who is likely going to be there? I can't say that for sure, but I have a hard time believing that there are going to be too many better fits for this organization than him when you think of everything realistically.

[generaldreedle]

Gamble would be great.

[Pattersonca65]

I hate to post another forum's post but this is what I saw

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/183738-there-report-paraag-marathe-leaker/

Thanks for posting. I don't know who these people are or how accurate any of that is. I never liked Marathe anyway. Seems like an arrogant guy. He has been involved in football related matters way more than he should be. If I took over the team, one of the first things I would do is remove him from any football related operations. Let him crunch cap nimbers, work on stadium and team related business. But he should have no part in the hiring process of any of the coaches or in personnel decisions. Marathe is starting to remind me of Robert Rowell,

Speaking of the Warriors, I was watching them blow away Memphis on TV last night and got me thinking of Jed's comments about the Warrior coaching change and the parallel to the Tomsula hiring. Looking back at those comments, man does he look like an idiot right now.

I'm still waiting for even a small percentage of 49ers fans to gain an accurate picture of Marathe's job responsibilities based on what's actually known. Until then, it's going to continue to be too much of emotional projecting for my liking based on things people inaccurately stretched (solely using a computer to make draft picks, sign players, hire coaches, etc). This stuff has been going on for over 10 freaking years.

Pozz,

I've picked up bits and pieces of things. From what I've read, Marathe and Jed were the ones interviewing candidates when Nolan was hired. The team has also been using analytics from Marathe to help select players. According to recent reports, Marathe and Jed were the ones having difficulty with harbaugh and now marathe is having some sort of issues with Kap. It seems Marathe is involved in both the business and football operations. How much of that is true i don't know. But I think what is apparent to most people is that there clearly is something lacking in the front office. It is becoming evident that Baalke is missing far more with his draft picks than he is hitting. He has also made some free agent mistakes. The FO clearly has not brought in the players to replace those players retiring or leaving via free agency. The hiring of Tomsula right now appears headed for a disaster.

I think what another poster said about bringing in someone like Ron Wolf as a consultant would be great. I don't have faith jed would do that. At least replacing Baalke with Gamble might be a good move.

[wco81]

They won't ever give a coach too much power. Jed wants to forget about the Harbaugh years, supposedly had his tenure erased from some team history.

It'll be like the HCs that Al Davis hired in the last 10-15 years before he passed. Players and even some assistants knew they could make an end run around the HC and go to Davis with problems.

If another HC were to become successful and started to get too much adulation, Jed would fire him too.

[ChrisPozz]

They won't ever give a coach too much power. Jed wants to forget about the Harbaugh years, supposedly had his tenure erased from some team history.

It'll be like the HCs that Al Davis hired in the last 10-15 years before he passed. Players and even some assistants knew they could make an end run around the HC and go to Davis with problems.

If another HC were to become successful and started to get too much adulation, Jed would fire him too.

Who in the league right now interests you that would be/could be worth hiring as HC and giving him that much power?

[wco81]

Hue Jackson, the Shanahans. Let them hire whichever assistants they want and let them choose whether to draft a QB or not.

Let those assistants determine the prospects they want to plug into their systems.

By the end of the year, some HCs may become available, like maybe Andy Reid.

And to be honest, I'd take Whisenhunt over Tomsula any day.

[generaldreedle]

Tomsula seems clearly out of his depth when he's trying to explain things. Anything might be better.

[ChrisPozz]

Thanks for posting. I don't know who these people are or how accurate any of that is. I never liked Marathe anyway. Seems like an arrogant guy. He has been involved in football related matters way more than he should be. If I took over the team, one of the first things I would do is remove him from any football related operations. Let him crunch cap nimbers, work on stadium and team related business. But he should have no part in the hiring process of any of the coaches or in personnel decisions. Marathe is starting to remind me of Robert Rowell,

Speaking of the Warriors, I was watching them blow away Memphis on TV last night and got me thinking of Jed's comments about the Warrior coaching change and the parallel to the Tomsula hiring. Looking back at those comments, man does he look like an idiot right now.

I'm still waiting for even a small percentage of 49ers fans to gain an accurate picture of Marathe's job responsibilities based on what's actually known. Until then, it's going to continue to be too much of emotional projecting for my liking based on things people inaccurately stretched (solely using a computer to make draft picks, sign players, hire coaches, etc). This stuff has been going on for over 10 freaking years.

Pozz,

I've picked up bits and pieces of things. From what I've read, Marathe and Jed were the ones interviewing candidates when Nolan was hired. The team has also been using analytics from Marathe to help select players. According to recent reports, Marathe and Jed were the ones having difficulty with harbaugh and now marathe is having some sort of issues with Kap. It seems Marathe is involved in both the business and football operations. How much of that is true i don't know. But I think what is apparent to most people is that there clearly is something lacking in the front office. It is becoming evident that Baalke is missing far more with his draft picks than he is hitting. He has also made some free agent mistakes. The FO clearly has not brought in the players to replace those players retiring or leaving via free agency. The hiring of Tomsula right now appears headed for a disaster.

I think what another poster said about bringing in someone like Ron Wolf as a consultant would be great. I don't have faith jed would do that. At least replacing Baalke with Gamble might be a good move.

1) On Marathe and Jed interviewing candidates before Nolan was hired. They also hired a search firm, as almost every team does or already has in the fold, to help get a better idea of what candidates could be worth interviewing. I'm not pointing this out for any other reason other than to suggest that there were more people involved in identifying their candidates than just the Yorks or Marathe. Terry Tumey and somebody else whose name slips my mind right now were also involved in the decision of who to target.

2) On the analytics. Almost every single team in the league has been doing this for several years. The 49ers, Eagles, and Patriots were three of the first, if not the first, to use analytics to identifying, grading and selecting players for the draft, free agency, and player retention. It's become commonplace in the league. When the 49ers first started doing it, it wasn't nearly as common but it's become a common practice in today's league.

Whether or not one wants to argue the WAY they are doing it is a problem is another issue and there isn't one fan out there that can speak to whether or not the way they implement that is good or not because none of us know how they do it exactly compared to other teams. Again, not a huge point of emphasis but I come into contact with quite a few fans who are unaware that this stuff goes on so I'm just pointing out in case there is anybody here who falls into that boat that analytics are a common tool in today's game but obviously it would be silly to think every single team uses them in the exact same ways.

3) Yes, Paraag has an influence on the football and business side of things. That's been known for a while now. My only issue here with some people's takes is that I've seen a whole lot of assumptions as to what he exactly does on either side without exact evidence that he does PRECISE things. It would take too long to go over every single accusation and variation of it that I've seen, but I just don't particularly care for certain assumptions that are made on him such as assuming his analytics factor into the draft way more than they actually do, or using formulas to determine which free agents they should target, etc..

If there was more evidence to suggest that they use these things to a stronger degree than they do I could maybe get on board with all the assuming that goes on with it, but I haven't found evidence yet to suggest that it goes on to the degree that I think people have made it out to be.

This point may not be worth arguing with some people because not everybody assumes the same points with him, nor does everybody think it goes on to the same degrees as each other, and I'm being far too vague to probably get into it with those people because of lack of time right now. I'll drop that point for now because it's very complicated and I'm not sure I made enough sense for now.

4) Some of the Baalke stuff I can live with. I still think the majority of common, every day, run of the mill fans who don't look at the big picture and study this stuff have an inaccurate picture of how well the rest of the league does in the draft and just how few quality personnel people in the league there actually are.

I despise people who want to call them the first of anything or that they are the biggest fan of anybody there is because those phrases and the way they are used so many times is so stupid, and often incorrect and childish, but I'm going to sort of do that here.

I can live with more of the Baalke stuff that gets thrown around than a lot of other subjects where I nitpick at things because I was one of the first people on any board I go to, to suggest that Baalke may need to go in order for the team to hit a new level of success. I did not particularly care for what appeared to be a lack of trying to hit home runs while the window appeared to be pretty open while appearing to favor more of a long-term, sustained success as opposed to going for the home run at the expense of having to deal with certain things such as cap figures down the road.

However, here's a part that does bother me quite a bit when it comes to suggesting the team just get rid of him completely. I don't know if I've seen too many people I've talked with that think or believe it could get so much worse than Baalke as I've said in the past. Is that reason enough to keep Baalke? No. I just don't know that with the current men in place who are definitely going to remain in place, if they can go out and do better than Baalke and still fit the style of players and coaches I personally think you almost have to roll with in order to stay successful in the league.

Again, I don't think that means you stay with the status quo if things continue to not work, especially if certain ego things are really bad and it's even worse behind the scenes with people he works with, but on this I kind of just wish more people had a better idea of how successfull or unsuccessful other personnel men in the league are when it comes to the draft so that when Baalke gets debated on his track record, it is done fairly and a more accurate picture gets painted on him.

It feels weird to even defend him the way that I do sometimes because I've probably wanted him gone longer than most people I know but I guess I just wish the outer things on him that don't involve him directly were more well known or thought out for some reason.

Oh yeah. One more thing. I wish others, and even myself, could grasp the idea of how good coaches tie into the personnel side and visa versa better than we do. That's another fascinating topic that I don't think gets acknowledged enough either. While I do think a number of questionable players were brought in this year, and in prior years, I just wish more often the lack of quality people and a quality environment around them would be acknowledged more than just the idea that questionable players were signed. This probably doesn't make as much sense as I wish it did either but again I'm running out of time to expand and I've probably bored people to death with my rambling.

Finally, one more gripe I have is the lack of names that are often not included in people's rants. The majority of fans don't have the time or the desire to get into this side of football but coming from somebody that loves this side and tries to look into it as best as a person possibly can, I just wish more people had a stronger passion for it so that when they did go on a rant like I do that they could speak on it with a better sense and understanding of what's out there and the knowledge to suggest more names and solutions for this or that. It just makes for reading these rants more interesting than if something is included with emotion and not much substance.

Forgive me for rambling on and on. I don't know how interesting that was for anybody or how many of you got to the bottom of that but those are just some of my thoughts on a lot of the things I'm seeing.

[wco81]

BTW, if they bring in widely respected football people, including coaches, I wouldn't expect a quick turnaround.

Or maybe a turnaround at all.

There are a lot of franchises who hire people with the right resumes and they never return. Some of it is bad luck, some of it is that the decisions which they made are reasonable at the time never pan out.

Maybe Trent will be chastened by this season and be more willing to work with a future head coach. Or he just wants to steamroll Tomsula and they keep him around so they could do whatever they wanted.

I would like to think that if Harbaugh was still here, he'd have fought all the personnel moves which have led to where the team is right now, where the team might end up at the end of the season. If he didn't think Thomas or Martin could be any good, he would have fought against letting Iupati go in free agency.

I wish he'd have made Trent's life miserable than to quietly let Trent make these crappy moves. That includes letting both starting CBs go too. And maybe he would have fought to keep Aldon Smith.

You can only hope they've learned from this garbage season that they can't just instill anyone to run the team. But maybe they'll just settle for getting off the hook for Kap's $14 million for 2016 season and keep everyone else in place.

[RedneckNiner]

I love the idea of Ron Wolf in a consultant role, I also like promoting gamble way up the food chain. For gm I forget names but Newsome's understudy in Baltimore, maybe one of Thompsons understudy especially from Green Bay. The Packers are largely a home grown team through there draft picks. The Niners need a lot of pieces and it starts with drafting. For coaching I would look at Holmgren, Hue Jackson, Gase, David Shaw, Kevin Sumlin, or Kyle Shanahan in no particular order... I would love Les Miles or Saban but there is no chance in hell either of them would leave their regime's in my opinion.