49ERS AT BROWNS POSTGAME

49er4life1979 · Post #1 » by **49er4life1979** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:25 pm

What an awful performance, in particular the OL. Gave Gabbert absolutely no time to step up in the pocket whatsoever. 9 sacks!...Gabbert still looked decent statistically 18/28 194 yards 1TD and a 96.4 rating....What else? The run defense sucked, very little pass rush, stupid penalties, dropped pass by Ellington. Couple more blowouts and Tomsula gone maybe?

49rangER · Post #2 » by **49rangER** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:38 pm

Everyone was garbage except for the D at times. Nobody played well

Jikkle · Post #3 » by **Jikkle** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:07 pm

Everything was putrid in all facets except special teams.

The Browns defense had only given up less than 20 points in ONE game prior to today's game and had give up 30+ in their last 5 games.

The 9ers offense got 3 points off of good field position, a garbage time TD when the game was well out of hand, and the offense didn't get pass 100 yards of total offense until the middle of the 4th quarter.

The Browns offense was LAST in rushing in the league and as a team they were averaging 3.4 yards a carry and 73.9 yards a game. Today they rushed the ball 41 times for 230 yards at 5.6 yards a rush. Crowell who was averaging 33 yards a game got 145 yards on 20 carries with a 7.3 yards a rush.

It's hard to get any more atrocious than that against anybody in the league but the 9ers didn't just pull that off against anybody they pulled it off playing against the worst team in the league going into that game.

It's just beyond belief that the Yorks would even think just a little bit about keeping Tomsula for next season after that performance.

Post #4 » by **MHSL82** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:54 pm

49er4life1979 wrote:What an awful performance, in particular the OL. Gave Gabbert absolutely no time to step up in the pocket whatsoever. 9 sacks!...Gabbert still looked decent statistically 18/28 194 yards 1TD and a 96.4 rating....What else? The run defense sucked, very little pass rush, stupid penalties, dropped pass by Ellington. Couple more blowouts and Tomsula gone maybe?

I don't think we can really say that Gabbert was decent statistically because the last drive was pure garbage time. He got like 80 of those 194 yards and he got the touchdown on that drive.

He deserves a touchdown, but if we're evaluating the game, I don't think anyone really played decent or good. Except maybe the guy that got the interception and a few others. It is about development.

Hangman_52 · Post #5 » by **Hangman_52** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:57 pm

People used to call Alex Smith captain check down. He has nothing on Gabbert and his first read is the check down to the rb 4 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

GS Warriors 1 · Post #6 » by **GS Warriors 1** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:54 am

Just downright ugly football. I thought it would be a close game that was 50/50, Browns had a solid hold of this game for most of it.

CrimsonCrew · Post #7 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:11 am

Frankly, it should have been worse. A blocked FG and an absolutely idiotic INT by Manziel cost them points.

Post #8 » by **MHSL82** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:24 am

CrimsonCrew wrote:Frankly, it should have been worse. A blocked FG and an absolutely idiotic INT by Manziel cost them points.

Plus, a gimmie garbage time touchdown. Could have been 30-3 to the Browns.

Yes, I know, a made FG or no INT could've changed the rest of the game so that we couldn't project a score. Maybe the INT or blocked FG led to our three? 30-0?

zman1 · Post #9 » by **zman1** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:57 pm

Amazed to hear any discussion about coaching changes. Does anyone here really think that replacing Tomsula alone will fix this ship of fools? You gotta look at who hired Tomsula. Sonny Boy has to go or there is no hope.

Pattersonca65 · Post #10 » by **Pattersonca65** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:49 pm

zman1 wrote:Amazed to hear any discussion about coaching changes. Does anyone here really think that replacing Tomsula alone will fix this ship of fools? You gotta look at who hired Tomsula. Sonny Boy has to go or there is no hope.

I don't think anyone really believes that. It isn't just Tomsula. I think most people recognize that Baalke has missed too often on his draft picks and the team is suffering for it. Baalke needs to go too. You could say Jed should be gone also but we know he isn't going anywhere.

Pattersonca65 · Post #11 » by **Pattersonca65** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:59 pm

Apparently, the York family was at the game yesterday because of this game being in their home state. I hope the whole family got a shot a reality yesterday.

Post #12 » by **MHSL82** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:51 pm

zman1 wrote:Amazed to hear any discussion about coaching changes. Does anyone here really think that replacing Tomsula alone will fix this ship of fools? You gotta look at who hired Tomsula. Sonny Boy has to go or there is no hope.

I get what you're saying, but do we keep him because he is not our only problem? Get rid of every problem you can see and try to replace them with somebody that's better. I don't really trust our guys to find the right people who want to be here, but that's not the point.

Jikkle · Post #13 » by **Jikkle** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:05 am

zman1 wrote:Amazed to hear any discussion about coaching changes. Does anyone here really think that replacing Tomsula alone will fix this ship of fools? You gotta look at who hired Tomsula. Sonny Boy has to go or there is no hope.

We'd all love to fire the owner but we simply can't and all you can do is hope a blind squirrel finds a nut eventually.

The odds aren't high a new coach and staff will be better but at least there is a chance as slim as it may be. With Tomsula and his staff we already know it doesn't work so it's better to take the slim odds than the 0 odds.

Post #14 » by **CalamityX12** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:45 am

49er4life1979 · Post #15 » by **49er4life1979** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:27 am

Pattersonca65 wrote:
zman1 wrote:Amazed to hear any discussion about coaching changes. Does anyone here really think that replacing Tomsula alone will fix this ship of fools? You gotta look at who hired Tomsula. Sonny Boy has to go or there is no hope.

I don't think anyone really believes that. It isn't just Tomsula. I think most people recognize that Baalke has missed too often on his draft picks and the team is suffering for it. Baalke needs to go too. You could say Jed should be gone also but we know he isn't going anywhere.

Baalke has done just OK. But with a superior coaching staff, like maybe the one we used to have, would cover up for some of that. But the biggest coaching problem on this team is the OC, followed closely by Tomsula who is in way over his head.

Pattersonca65 · Post #16 » by **Pattersonca65** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:59 pm

49er4life1979 wrote:
Pattersonca65 wrote:
zman1 wrote:Amazed to hear any discussion about coaching changes. Does anyone here really think that replacing Tomsula alone will fix this ship of fools? You gotta look at who hired Tomsula. Sonny Boy has to go or there is no hope.

I don't think anyone really believes that. It isn't just Tomsula. I think most people recognize that Baalke has missed too often on his draft picks and the team is suffering for it. Baalke needs to go too. You could say Jed should be gone also but we know he isn't going anywhere.

Baalke has done just OK. But with a superior coaching staff, like maybe the one we used to have, would cover up for some of that. But the biggest coaching problem on this team is the OC, followed closely by Tomsula who is in way over his head.

Judging today, Baalke has missed on too many draft picks. No way his drafts from 2012 would build a contending roster, He's had some decent picks in the sccondary, but offensive picks have been pretty bad so far.

49er4life1979 · Post #17 » by **49er4life1979** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:13 pm

Pattersonca65 wrote:
49er4life1979 wrote:
Pattersonca65 wrote:
I don't think anyone really believes that. It isn't just Tomsula. I think most people recognize that Baalke has missed too often on his draft picks and the team is suffering for it. Baalke needs to go too. You could say Jed should be gone also but we know he isn't going anywhere.

Baalke has done just OK. But with a superior coaching staff, like maybe the one we used to have, would cover up for some of that. But the biggest coaching problem on this team is the OC, followed closely by Tomsula who is in way over his head.

Judging today, Baalke has missed on too many draft picks. No way his drafts from 2012 would build a contending roster, He's had some decent picks in the sccondary, but offensive picks have been pretty bad so far.

He's been drafting since 2010. Navarro Bowman, Eric Reid, Quinton Dial, Aaron Lynch have been good picks. Dial and Lynch were 5th rounders...Of course Anthony Davis and Mike Iupati on offense, but they are gone. His best pick has been Aldon Smith but obviously we know what happened there...Like you said, some nice secondary picks too...But a few whifs as well, like all of 2012 draft, Tank Carradine, Corey Lemonier, and possibly Ward...I do however like Carlos Hyde and I think Vance McDonald will turn out to be solid.

zman1 · Post #18 » by **zman1** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:08 pm

49er4life1979 wrote:
Pattersonca65 wrote:
49er4life1979 wrote:
Baalke has done just OK. But with a superior coaching staff, like maybe the one we used to have, would cover up for some of that. But the biggest coaching problem on this team is the OC, followed closely by Tomsula who is in way over his head.

Judging today, Baalke has missed on too many draft picks. No way his drafts from 2012 would build a contending roster, He's had some decent picks in the sccondary, but offensive picks have been pretty bad so far.

He's been drafting since 2010. Navarro Bowman, Eric Reid, Quinton Dial, Aaron Lynch have been good picks. Dial and Lynch were 5th rounders...Of course Anthony Davis and Mike Iupati on offense, but they are gone. His best pick has been Aldon Smith but obviously we know what happened there...Like you said, some nice secondary picks too...But a few whifs as well, like all of 2012 draft, Tank Carradine, Corey Lemonier, and possibly Ward...I do however like Carlos Hyde and I think Vance McDonald will turn out to be solid.

I watched a little of the start of the last Seattle game. Announcer said he was amazed at how many undrafted free agents start for the Seattle D. Nuff said.

Jikkle · Post #19 » by **Jikkle** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:19 am

49er4life1979 wrote:
Pattersonca65 wrote:
49er4life1979 wrote:
Baalke has done just OK. But with a superior coaching staff, like maybe the one we used to have, would cover up for some of that. But the biggest coaching problem on this team is the OC, followed closely by Tomsula who is in way over his head.

Judging today, Baalke has missed on too many draft picks. No way his drafts from 2012 would build a contending roster, He's had some decent picks in the sccondary, but offensive picks have been pretty bad so far.

He's been drafting since 2010. Navarro Bowman, Eric Reid, Quinton Dial, Aaron Lynch have been good picks. Dial and Lynch were 5th rounders...Of course Anthony Davis and Mike Iupati on offense, but they are gone. His best pick has been Aldon Smith but obviously we know what happened there...Like you said, some nice secondary picks too...But a few whifs as well, like all of 2012 draft, Tank Carradine, Corey Lemonier, and possibly Ward...I do however like Carlos Hyde and I think Vance McDonald will turn out to be solid.

2010 was more of a Mccloughan, Singletary, Baalke mashup so I don't really credit Baalke for the good parts or the bad parts of that draft.

Baalke has been horrible in the first couple of rounds which is one big reason the team is in the mess it's in right now. Hyde and Reid have been the only early round picks that have lived up to their draft status and Reid is stretching it now since he's gone downhill since his rookie year.

And Baalke has just been terrible on the offensive side of the ball as well. He's yet to draft any sort of meaningful WRs and OL aside from Kilgore who really isn't anything special at C but just a solid starter. Heck Hyde is the only good offensive guy he's drafted and it remains to be seen if he can stay healthy.

Now he's actually been solid in the late rounds on defense. It's just that the majority of those picks just are playing to their draft status for the most part. Which isn't a bad thing but a bad thing when you're completely whiffing on the rounds you need impact starters and now you need 5th round and up guys who should be core special teamers and backups to come in and be starters.

49er4life1979 · Post #20 » by **49er4life1979** » Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:52 am

2010 was more of a Mccloughan, Singletary, Baalke mashup so I don't really credit Baalke for the good parts or the bad parts of that draft.

Baalke has been horrible in the first couple of rounds which is one big reason the team is in the mess it's in right now. Hyde and Reid have been the only early round picks that have lived up to their draft status and Reid is stretching it now since he's gone downhill since his rookie year.

And Baalke has just been terrible on the offensive side of the ball as well. He's yet to draft any sort of meaningful WRs and OL aside from Kilgore who really isn't anything special at C but just a solid starter. Heck Hyde is the only good offensive guy he's drafted and it remains to be seen if he can stay healthy.

Now he's actually been solid in the late rounds on defense. It's just that the majority of those picks just are playing to their draft status for the most part. Which isn't a bad thing but a bad thing when you're completely whiffing on the rounds you need impact starters and now you need 5th round and up guys who should be core special teamers and backups to come in and be starters.[/quote]

Speaking of Reid, yea he's been decent but I think he is totally replaceable. He is just not a big playmaker. Do you agree? I say they let him walk after next year and insert Ward at FS. Ward and Tartt combo.