2016-17 CFB SEASON / '17 NFL DRAFT

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #1081 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:30 pm

Jamal Adams - DB - Tigers

An AFC director of scouting believes that four safeties could go on Day 1.

"I've been doing this for a while now and I don't remember a draft with this many quality safeties in it," he said. "You will look back and find a lot of starters that came from (this draft) and you might see four (safeties) in the first round." We don't know about four, but there will definitely be three with LSU's Jamal Adams, Ohio State's Malik Hooker and Michigan's Jabrill Peppers all locks. Washington's Budda Baker and Utah's Marcus Williams both look like second-rounders at this juncture, but you never know.
Source: NFL.com

Jan 27 - 3:49 PM

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #1082 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:31 pm

Antonio Garcia - T - Trojans

Panthers OL coach Ray Brown told Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline that Troy T Antonio Garcia's hands have stood out during the Senior Bowl practice week.

"Brown said Garcia’s hand use -- specifically the way he properly places his hands into opponents and extends to keep defenders away -- is a trait not often found in college linemen, who usually prefer to lean on opponents," Pauline wrote, adding that this aspect of the 6-foot-7, 302-pounder's game "has separated Garcia from many of the blockers in attendance." As far as prospects go, you would be hard-pressed to find one who is hotter than Garcia, who has steadily worked his way into the conversation as an early Day 2 selection during the early portion of the draft process.
Source: Draft Analyst

Jan 27 - 4:59 PM

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #1083 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:37 pm

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2017/01/27/joe-mixon-oklahoma-first-round-grade-advisory-committee/97154524/

NinerSickness · Post #1084 » by **NinerSickness** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:51 am

Ray_Dogg wrote:
NinerSickness wrote:
Ray_Dogg wrote:
True but history has shown it has been a concern for teams drafting high.

I don't remember any QBs being considered for the first pick overall dropping because they weren't as tall as advertised.

I'm not talking about advertising or the drop pertaining to false advertising.

I'm talking about guys not getting drafted at the top that are 6'1".

How high would Drew Brees have been drafted if he was 6'3"?

To further expand on this. How many good starting QBs in the NFL are 6'1" and change right now?

Anywhere between around 6'0 & 6'6 is fine for a QB IMO. Saying "how many good QBs are 6'1" is like saying, "How many good QBs are blonde." It's not important. He's plenty tall enough to be a great QB, and if he fails, 0% of his failure will be because of his height.

NinerSickness · Post #1085 » by **NinerSickness** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:08 pm

Mitch Trubisky, on 3rd-and-long this year UNC converted 56% of the time, much higher than FBS avg. of 35% Per PFF (college version).

Post #1086 » by **Ray_Dogg** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:07 pm

NinerSickness wrote:
Ray_Dogg wrote:
NinerSickness wrote:
I don't remember any QBs being considered for the first pick overall dropping because they weren't as tall as advertised.

I'm not talking about advertising or the drop pertaining to false advertising.

I'm talking about guys not getting drafted at the top that are 6'1".

How high would Drew Brees have been drafted if he was 6'3"?

To further expand on this. How many good starting QBs in the NFL are 6'1" and change right now?

Anywhere between around 6'0 & 6'6 is fine for a QB IMO. Saying "how many good QBs are 6'1" is like saying, "How many good QBs are blonde." It's not important. He's plenty tall enough to be a great QB, and if he fails, 0% of his failure will be because of his height.

The NFL has placed a very high importance on height and not hair color. So no it's not the saying the same thing. History has shown that being on the short side for a QB hasn't been fine enough to be drafted at the top. I literally can think of one QB drafted at the top that was short by their standards.

NinerSickness · Post #1087 » by **NinerSickness** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:33 am

Ray_Dogg wrote:
NinerSickness wrote:
Ray_Dogg wrote:
I'm not talking about advertising or the drop pertaining to false advertising.

I'm talking about guys not getting drafted at the top that are 6'1".

How high would Drew Brees have been drafted if he was 6'3"?

To further expand on this. How many good starting QBs in the NFL are 6'1" and change right now?

Anywhere between around 6'0 & 6'6 is fine for a QB IMO. Saying "how many good QBs are 6'1" is like saying, "How many good QBs are blonde." It's not important. He's plenty tall enough to be a great QB, and if he fails, 0% of his failure will be because of his height.

The NFL has placed a very high importance on height and not hair color. So no it's not the saying the same thing. History has shown that being on the short side for a QB hasn't been fine enough to be drafted at the top. I literally can think of one QB drafted at the top that was short by their standards.

6'2 / 6'1 isn't short, though.

Dodub · Post #1088 » by **Dodub** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:26 am

6'2" has been the cut off for a while if I'm not mistaken.

NinerSickness · Post #1089 » by **NinerSickness** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:45 am

Dodub wrote:6'2" has been the cut off for a while if I'm not mistaken.

The "cut off"?

Post #1090 » by **Ray_Dogg** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:55 am

NinerSickness wrote:
Ray_Dogg wrote:
NinerSickness wrote:
Anywhere between around 6'0 & 6'6 is fine for a QB IMO. Saying "how many good QBs are 6'1" is like saying, "How many good QBs are blonde." It's not important. He's plenty tall enough to be a great QB, and if he fails, 0% of his failure will be because of his height.

The NFL has placed a very high importance on height and not hair color. So no it's not the saying the same thing. History has shown that being on the short side for a QB hasn't been fine enough to be drafted at the top. I literally can think of one QB drafted at the top that was short by their standards.

6'2 / 6'1 isn't short, though.

They consider below 6'2" to be short.

Post #1091 » by **Ray_Dogg** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:56 am

Dodub wrote:6'2" has been the cut off for a while if I'm not mistaken.

Yep.

Dodub · Post #1092 » by **Dodub** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:59 am

NinerSickness wrote:
Dodub wrote:6'2" has been the cut off for a while if I'm not mistaken.

The "cut off"?

Check Ray's above post, that's been the unspoken standard for a while

NinerSickness · Post #1093 » by **NinerSickness** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:32 am

Dodub wrote:
NinerSickness wrote:
Dodub wrote:6'2" has been the cut off for a while if I'm not mistaken.

The "cut off"?

Check Ray's above post, that's been the unspoken standard for a while

Who's standard is that?

Mitch is probably going to be about 6'2. So his height is fine. If he's lower by half an inch, that's not going to lower his draft stock.

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #1094 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:47 pm

Third round?! Hadn't we addressed the end positions already, I would have advocated for him in the 3rd round. He's huge and can really move for his size. A lot of people are saying that he has a huge upside too:

https://www.google.com/amp/thebiglead.com/2017/01/27/tanoh-kpassagnons-beautiful-body-is-on-the-mind-of-many-nfl-executives/amp/?client=safari

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Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #1095 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:36 pm

Tanoh Kpassagnon - DL - Wildcats

When asked about prospects who have grabbed his attention, Panthers GM Dave Gettleman pointed to Villanova DE Tanoh Kpassagnon.

You might ask what the significance is? Gettleman only brought up three names: Texas A&M edge rusher Myles Garrett, Alabama tight end O.J. Howard and Kpassagnon. The other two prospects are top 20 prospects, which cannot be said for Kpassagnon. We know Gettleman loves size at every position: Offensive line, defensive tackles, corners and receivers. Kpassagnon fits that label at defensive, weighing in at 6-goot-7 and 280-pounds. He has not learned to use that size and perceive strength consistently.
Source: Charlotte Observer

Jan 30 - 9:18 AM

Post #1096 » by **CalamityX12** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:46 pm

Bingo_AlphaMan wrote:Tanoh Kpassagnon - DL - Wildcats

When asked about prospects who have grabbed his attention, Panthers GM Dave Gettleman pointed to Villanova DE Tanoh Kpassagnon.

You might ask what the significance is? Gettleman only brought up three names: Texas A&M edge rusher Myles Garrett, Alabama tight end O.J. Howard and Kpassagnon. The other two prospects are top 20 prospects, which cannot be said for Kpassagnon. We know Gettleman loves size at every position: Offensive line, defensive tackles, corners and receivers. Kpassagnon fits that label at defensive, weighing in at 6-goot-7 and 280-pounds. He has not learned to use that size and perceive strength consistently.
Source: Charlotte Observer

Jan 30 - 9:18 AM

i'd take on that challenge... make him into something.....

hell, can create a new identity on defense with all these towers of terrors....

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #1097 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:15 pm

Corey Davis - WR - Broncos

One NFL scout compared Western Michigan WR Corey Davis to Jordan Matthews.

"Very reliable. Very productive," the scout said. "Could go in the first round, but he's really a second." We don't see this comparison from a few viewpoints. One, Matthews is solely a slot receiver at this point in his career, Davis has thrived on the outside and projects to that spot in the NFL. Second, Matthews is not the most reliable receiver in terms of drops. Perhaps the comparison was made based on size and post catch running ability.
Source: NJ.com

Jan 30 - 10:44 AM

Post #1098 » by **Ray_Dogg** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:51 pm

What a terrible comp

thesack12 · Post #1099 » by **thesack12** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:31 pm

Ray_Dogg wrote:
I_am_1z wrote:
Ray_Dogg wrote:This is huge news on Trubisky if true.

If his hands are at least 9.75 inches to go along with his the 6'1", I'll let it pass.

Who is the last QB to be drafted in top two that was sub 6' 2"?

I can't recall off the top of my head.

In the last 15 years, only two were drafted in the 1ST ROUND

Mitch Trubisky - QB - Player

According to NFL Network's Mike Mayock, some league evaluators believe UNC QB Mitch Trubisky will measure in closer to 6-foot-1 than 6-foot-3, the height at which he was listed at North Carolina.

This nugget was passed along by Mocking the Draft's Dan Kadar, who does an outstanding job covering the draft each year. While being 6-foot-1 in and of itself won't make or break Trubisky's big-league career, it could affect his draft stock. Only two quarterbacks over the last 15 years measuring 6-foot-1 or shorter have been drafted in the first round. UNC listed Trubisky at 6-foot-3, 220.

Source: Dan Kadar on Twitter
Jan 30 - 4:02 PM

I personally put more of an emphasis on hand size as opposed to height, but its obvious height plays a large factor in the value and draft grades NFL teams place on QB prospects.

But for me, its a non issue because I want nothing to do with Trubisky at #2.

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #1100 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:55 pm

Mitch Trubisky - QB - Player

According to NFL Network's Mike Mayock, some league evaluators believe UNC QB Mitch Trubisky will measure in closer to 6-foot-1 than 6-foot-3, the height at which he was listed at North Carolina.

This nugget was passed along by Mocking the Draft's Dan Kadar, who does an outstanding job covering the draft each year. While being 6-foot-1 in and of itself won't make or break Trubisky's big-league career, it could affect his draft stock. Only two quarterbacks over the last 15 years measuring 6-foot-1 or shorter have been drafted in the first round. UNC listed Trubisky at 6-foot-3, 220.
Source: Dan Kadar on Twitter

Jan 30 - 4:02 PM