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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#1081 » by Big J » Sun Aug 4, 2024 12:33 pm

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You said average QB with better players elsewhere would be good enough. Jefferson is one of the best if not the best WR out there, getting the most money with his new extension.

Do you think the 49ers would have won more if Darnold or Nick Mullens -- not sure if he's still with the Vikings this upcoming season -- started for them instead of Purdy?


I said stacked roster, which the Vikings don’t have.


OK, so I ask again, would Darnold and Mullens have done better than Purdy on the 49ers? They have a stacked roster and you said average QB.

No because neither of those guys are average. They are bad.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#1082 » by WentzerWuver » Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:09 pm

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I said stacked roster, which the Vikings don’t have.


OK, so I ask again, would Darnold and Mullens have done better than Purdy on the 49ers? They have a stacked roster and you said average QB.

No because neither of those guys are average. They are bad.


Lol whoever thinks passing to ghosts is better than Purdy has got to be joking and not being serious. Can't imagine the Panthers trading a bunch of picks including a high 2nd rounder as well as picking up his 5 year option at 18.5 mil after 3 seasons of this with the Jets which cost that GM his job.

https://youtube.com/shorts/KFMQAtLT_3Q?si=3B-QMydYIhjfkHA7

Playing under Kyle doesn't count as he can make any backup look decent but the Viking was sold on it by signing him for 5 million instead of resigning Dobbs for half that.

https://youtube.com/shorts/U4UXncEo918?si=CvSS0ZdtZdt69KTM
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#1083 » by CrimsonCrew » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:28 pm

JT's review of Purdy's preseason. Not as bad as it might have looked at first blush, though the almost-INT was incredibly dicey. Lots of mishaps by his blocking and receiving corps. Probably not worth posting this at all, but what the heck.

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Post#1084 » by CrimsonCrew » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:31 pm

Oh, and some criticism of the dropback game that we've heard from JT before that rings true. Definitely room to improve the offense outside the playaction game.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#1085 » by Big J » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:39 pm

I found it interesting that Dobbs looked way better than Purdy playing with those same second string guys.
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Post#1086 » by WentzerWuver » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:30 pm

Big J wrote:I found it interesting that Dobbs looked way better than Purdy playing with those same second string guys.
Ok, that's not fair to Purdy when the pastronaut is even smarter than Shanahan with a 4 0 GPA in aerospace engineering at Tennessee and interned with Nasa twice which mean he can step in cold to run an offense in pressure situations without any team practices beforehand right after being traded from the Cardinals.

https://youtu.be/I6ks9wWfQwM?si=qQQrA4PAg3J1Iyvr

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/joshua-dobbs-college-degree-rocket-science/6eb67c7bd01637e9c6416ef4
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#1087 » by CrimsonCrew » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:36 pm

Big J wrote:I found it interesting that Dobbs looked way better than Purdy playing with those same second string guys.


Yes, he was playing with the second- and third-string guys just like Purdy. But unlike Purdy, he was also playing AGAINST second- and third-string guys. And Dobbs was playing for his roster spot, so he had much more pressure than Purdy to make something happen. Purdy was just trying to get some live action and come out of the game healthy. Preseason stats and performance are irrelevant for him at this stage of his career.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#1088 » by CrimsonCrew » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:43 pm

WentzerWuver wrote:
Big J wrote:I found it interesting that Dobbs looked way better than Purdy playing with those same second string guys.
Ok, that's not fair to Purdy when Dobbs is even smarter than Shanahan since he has a 4 0 GPA in aerospace engineering at Tennessee and had interned for Nasa twice which mean he can step in cold to run an offense in pressure situations without any team practices beforehand right after being traded from the Cardinals.

https://youtu.be/I6ks9wWfQwM?si=qQQrA4PAg3J1Iyvr

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/joshua-dobbs-college-degree-rocket-science/6eb67c7bd01637e9c6416ef4


Got to push back on that one. Being very conventionally intelligent does not mean a guy excels at running an NFL offense. Particularly when he's new to it as compared to a guy who has been in the system. Tom Brady is on the smarter end of the scale for the general public, but he's not unusually intelligent (solid but not remarkable Wonderlic score of 33/50). Peyton Manning, arguably the headiest QB ever, scored a 28. Obviously those guys understood how to run an NFL offense. Meanwhile, Colin Kaepernick scored markedly higher (38), as did Blaine Gabbert (42) and Carson Wentz (40).
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#1089 » by WentzerWuver » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:59 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:
Big J wrote:I found it interesting that Dobbs looked way better than Purdy playing with those same second string guys.
Ok, that's not fair to Purdy when Dobbs is even smarter than Shanahan since he has a 4 0 GPA in aerospace engineering at Tennessee and had interned for Nasa twice which mean he can step in cold to run an offense in pressure situations without any team practices beforehand right after being traded from the Cardinals.

https://youtu.be/I6ks9wWfQwM?si=qQQrA4PAg3J1Iyvr

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/joshua-dobbs-college-degree-rocket-science/6eb67c7bd01637e9c6416ef4


Got to push back on that one. Being very conventionally intelligent does not mean a guy excels at running an NFL offense. Particularly when he's new to it as compared to a guy who has been in the system. Tom Brady is on the smarter end of the scale for the general public, but he's not unusually intelligent (solid but not remarkable Wonderlic score of 33/50). Peyton Manning, arguably the headiest QB ever, scored a 28. Obviously those guys understood how to run an NFL offense. Meanwhile, Colin Kaepernick scored markedly higher (38), as did Blaine Gabbert (42) and Carson Wentz (40).


I agree with you on the s2 via wonderlic means nothing on the playing field since CJ had like a score of 8 while Bryce was nearly perfect. I took the test myself late one night last year and scored 17 while half asleep so I assume CJ was probably wasted when he took it and will try it again next time when I am drunk following a defeat on Sunday :)
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#1090 » by CrimsonCrew » Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:16 pm

WentzerWuver wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:Ok, that's not fair to Purdy when Dobbs is even smarter than Shanahan since he has a 4 0 GPA in aerospace engineering at Tennessee and had interned for Nasa twice which mean he can step in cold to run an offense in pressure situations without any team practices beforehand right after being traded from the Cardinals.

https://youtu.be/I6ks9wWfQwM?si=qQQrA4PAg3J1Iyvr

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/joshua-dobbs-college-degree-rocket-science/6eb67c7bd01637e9c6416ef4


Got to push back on that one. Being very conventionally intelligent does not mean a guy excels at running an NFL offense. Particularly when he's new to it as compared to a guy who has been in the system. Tom Brady is on the smarter end of the scale for the general public, but he's not unusually intelligent (solid but not remarkable Wonderlic score of 33/50). Peyton Manning, arguably the headiest QB ever, scored a 28. Obviously those guys understood how to run an NFL offense. Meanwhile, Colin Kaepernick scored markedly higher (38), as did Blaine Gabbert (42) and Carson Wentz (40).


I agree with you on the s2 via wonderlic means nothing on the playing field since CJ had like a score of 8 while Bryce was nearly perfect. I took the test myself late one night last year and scored 17 while half asleep so I assume CJ was probably wasted when he took it and will try it again next time when I am drunk following a defeat on Sunday :)


The S2 is a little different as it measures processing speed, which is more pertinent to NFL QBs than what amounts to an IQ test. But there are certainly exceptions to any of these tests.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#1091 » by WentzerWuver » Thu Aug 22, 2024 11:07 am

CrimsonCrew wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
Got to push back on that one. Being very conventionally intelligent does not mean a guy excels at running an NFL offense. Particularly when he's new to it as compared to a guy who has been in the system. Tom Brady is on the smarter end of the scale for the general public, but he's not unusually intelligent (solid but not remarkable Wonderlic score of 33/50). Peyton Manning, arguably the headiest QB ever, scored a 28. Obviously those guys understood how to run an NFL offense. Meanwhile, Colin Kaepernick scored markedly higher (38), as did Blaine Gabbert (42) and Carson Wentz (40).


I agree with you on the s2 via wonderlic means nothing on the playing field since CJ had like a score of 8 while Bryce was nearly perfect. I took the test myself late one night last year and scored 17 while half asleep so I assume CJ was probably wasted when he took it and will try it again next time when I am drunk following a defeat on Sunday :)


The S2 is a little different as it measures processing speed, which is more pertinent to NFL QBs than what amounts to an IQ test. But there are certainly exceptions to any of these tests.
True. Since this is a Purdy specific thread, what would you need from him performance wise before you think he should get paid 60 million per in resetting the payscale for starting QB?

https://youtu.be/WzxDtkcDCVg?si=a21W2VDRGv09Ucud

https://youtu.be/D5Z8Db4hFoQ?si=kdH_4Rr_mcHokOiV

Also, what if he has shown no improvement since last season exceptional play in the SB, which was already great when compared to the previous QB who took them to the SB.

https://youtu.be/xqkKMkQdmZk?si=UT7q91mPmUUVBnQz
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#1092 » by Pattersonca65 » Thu Aug 22, 2024 4:07 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:
Big J wrote:I found it interesting that Dobbs looked way better than Purdy playing with those same second string guys.
Ok, that's not fair to Purdy when Dobbs is even smarter than Shanahan since he has a 4 0 GPA in aerospace engineering at Tennessee and had interned for Nasa twice which mean he can step in cold to run an offense in pressure situations without any team practices beforehand right after being traded from the Cardinals.

https://youtu.be/I6ks9wWfQwM?si=qQQrA4PAg3J1Iyvr

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/joshua-dobbs-college-degree-rocket-science/6eb67c7bd01637e9c6416ef4


Got to push back on that one. Being very conventionally intelligent does not mean a guy excels at running an NFL offense. Particularly when he's new to it as compared to a guy who has been in the system. Tom Brady is on the smarter end of the scale for the general public, but he's not unusually intelligent (solid but not remarkable Wonderlic score of 33/50). Peyton Manning, arguably the headiest QB ever, scored a 28. Obviously those guys understood how to run an NFL offense. Meanwhile, Colin Kaepernick scored markedly higher (38), as did Blaine Gabbert (42) and Carson Wentz (40).


Dan Marino scored 14. That tool is just one of many things that goes into evaluating a QB. Alex Smith was in his 40s I think and both Alex and Kap had on the field processing issues. Having a good GPA and student is a plus but that doesn't guarantee a QB has good vision and can quickly process on the field.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#1093 » by Pattersonca65 » Thu Aug 22, 2024 4:10 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:
Big J wrote:I found it interesting that Dobbs looked way better than Purdy playing with those same second string guys.
Ok, that's not fair to Purdy when Dobbs is even smarter than Shanahan since he has a 4 0 GPA in aerospace engineering at Tennessee and had interned for Nasa twice which mean he can step in cold to run an offense in pressure situations without any team practices beforehand right after being traded from the Cardinals.

https://youtu.be/I6ks9wWfQwM?si=qQQrA4PAg3J1Iyvr

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/joshua-dobbs-college-degree-rocket-science/6eb67c7bd01637e9c6416ef4


Got to push back on that one. Being very conventionally intelligent does not mean a guy excels at running an NFL offense. Particularly when he's new to it as compared to a guy who has been in the system. Tom Brady is on the smarter end of the scale for the general public, but he's not unusually intelligent (solid but not remarkable Wonderlic score of 33/50). Peyton Manning, arguably the headiest QB ever, scored a 28. Obviously those guys understood how to run an NFL offense. Meanwhile, Colin Kaepernick scored markedly higher (38), as did Blaine Gabbert (42) and Carson Wentz (40).


The test didn't measure Kap's lack of vision and ability to quickly process what was going on the field or Gabbert's poor pocket presence, lol
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#1094 » by WentzerWuver » Thu Aug 22, 2024 6:08 pm

Pattersonca65 wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:Ok, that's not fair to Purdy when Dobbs is even smarter than Shanahan since he has a 4 0 GPA in aerospace engineering at Tennessee and had interned for Nasa twice which mean he can step in cold to run an offense in pressure situations without any team practices beforehand right after being traded from the Cardinals.

https://youtu.be/I6ks9wWfQwM?si=qQQrA4PAg3J1Iyvr

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/joshua-dobbs-college-degree-rocket-science/6eb67c7bd01637e9c6416ef4


Got to push back on that one. Being very conventionally intelligent does not mean a guy excels at running an NFL offense. Particularly when he's new to it as compared to a guy who has been in the system. Tom Brady is on the smarter end of the scale for the general public, but he's not unusually intelligent (solid but not remarkable Wonderlic score of 33/50). Peyton Manning, arguably the headiest QB ever, scored a 28. Obviously those guys understood how to run an NFL offense. Meanwhile, Colin Kaepernick scored markedly higher (38), as did Blaine Gabbert (42) and Carson Wentz (40).


Dan Marino scored 14. That tool is just one of many things that goes into evaluating a QB. Alex Smith was in his 40s I think and both Alex and Kap had on the field processing issues. Having a good GPA and student is a plus but that doesn't guarantee a QB has good vision and can quickly process on the field.
Unlike Marino, Bradshaw won back to back SB MVP with a 16 wonderlic score compared to bust Leinart with 45.

https://youtu.be/jDGTCOCi4ec?si=5sQEuJQsp2X20BGG

So we all know the score has no impact since the 70s.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#1095 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Aug 22, 2024 7:05 pm

WentzerWuver wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:
I agree with you on the s2 via wonderlic means nothing on the playing field since CJ had like a score of 8 while Bryce was nearly perfect. I took the test myself late one night last year and scored 17 while half asleep so I assume CJ was probably wasted when he took it and will try it again next time when I am drunk following a defeat on Sunday :)


The S2 is a little different as it measures processing speed, which is more pertinent to NFL QBs than what amounts to an IQ test. But there are certainly exceptions to any of these tests.
True. Since this is a Purdy specific thread, what would you need from him performance wise before you think he should get paid 60 million per in resetting the payscale for starting QB?

https://youtu.be/WzxDtkcDCVg?si=a21W2VDRGv09Ucud

https://youtu.be/D5Z8Db4hFoQ?si=kdH_4Rr_mcHokOiV

Also, what if he has shown no improvement since last season exceptional play in the SB, which was already great when compared to the previous QB who took them to the SB.

https://youtu.be/xqkKMkQdmZk?si=UT7q91mPmUUVBnQz


If that's the case, I'm going to thank God that I'm not saddled with these decisions. Ultimately, I think I'd bite the bullet and pay him what we have to in order to retain him. He's proven to be elite in this system, and another year at that level would just confirm that. And you probably need a very good QB to win longterm in this league. But man, I hate paying guys who aren't absolute game-changers top dollar at the QB position. As said previously, not many guys have made that work once they get paid.
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Post#1096 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Aug 22, 2024 7:08 pm

Re: IQ, definitely plenty of examples of great QBs who scored positively poorly. Favre scored a 22. Plenty of other good players at the position have been bad. It's a piece of the puzzle. A good Wonderlic score can help a guy grasp a playbook, possibly communicate with his teammates, but I think the cognitive speed is probably a bigger benefit once your IQ is above a certain(not necessarily high) level.
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Post#1097 » by wco81 » Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:53 pm

On one of the ESPN morning shows they were discussing Brady’s recent comments that teams were rushing rookie QBs to start, dumbing down the offenses.

Under this trend they favored athletic QBs because they didn’t have to master the passing offense fully in order to be productive.

For instance, some RPO actions would produce easy reads, as young QBs in shotgun could fake a handoff to a RB and if the inside LBs responded to the run fake, easy slant pass but if the LB dropped back then run would produce a 5-yard or more gain.

The other part is that second reaction ability was more valued from QB prospects, again being able to make plays without going through a couple of offseasons to learn the offense fully.

The part they didn’t mention is that many teams are trying to contend before QBs earn big money because of the cap and the CBA.
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Post#1098 » by Jikkle » Fri Aug 23, 2024 9:31 am

wco81 wrote:On one of the ESPN morning shows they were discussing Brady’s recent comments that teams were rushing rookie QBs to start, dumbing down the offenses.

Under this trend they favored athletic QBs because they didn’t have to master the passing offense fully in order to be productive.

For instance, some RPO actions would produce easy reads, as young QBs in shotgun could fake a handoff to a RB and if the inside LBs responded to the run fake, easy slant pass but if the LB dropped back then run would produce a 5-yard or more gain.

The other part is that second reaction ability was more valued from QB prospects, again being able to make plays without going through a couple of offseasons to learn the offense fully.

The part they didn’t mention is that many teams are trying to contend before QBs earn big money because of the cap and the CBA.


I think a lot of it boils down to coaches only have a small window to show the team is moving in the right direction before they are canned.

Unless they are a firmly established coach they basically get one QB to make work or they are gone before the next one. Guys like Matt LeFluer are lucky they had top QB starting so their rookie QB could develop but a majority of rookie QBs are going to teams with no QBs and coaches that aren't established enough to convince ownership to play the long game.
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Post#1099 » by WentzerWuver » Fri Aug 23, 2024 1:05 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
The S2 is a little different as it measures processing speed, which is more pertinent to NFL QBs than what amounts to an IQ test. But there are certainly exceptions to any of these tests.
True. Since this is a Purdy specific thread, what would you need from him performance wise before you think he should get paid 60 million per in resetting the payscale for starting QB?

https://youtu.be/WzxDtkcDCVg?si=a21W2VDRGv09Ucud

https://youtu.be/D5Z8Db4hFoQ?si=kdH_4Rr_mcHokOiV

Also, what if he has shown no improvement since last season exceptional play in the SB, which was already great when compared to the previous QB who took them to the SB.

https://youtu.be/xqkKMkQdmZk?si=UT7q91mPmUUVBnQz


If that's the case, I'm going to thank God that I'm not saddled with these decisions. Ultimately, I think I'd bite the bullet and pay him what we have to in order to retain him. He's proven to be elite in this system, and another year at that level would just confirm that. And you probably need a very good QB to win longterm in this league. But man, I hate paying guys who aren't absolute game-changers top dollar at the QB position. As said previously, not many guys have made that work once they get paid.
Noted but if it was me and have already stated this, the ONLY way for Purdy to be paid 60+ million per is to be able to win without Aiyuk. Win as in winning 2 rounds in the playoffs this season using other playmakers to get there. Can he do that without his favorite guy? As long as Aiyuk is on this team, Purdy would never get his 60+ plus unless they win the SB with Purdy as the starter. Those are my terms as GM. Some QB struggle without their glue guy even tho he has more top playmakers than any other team in the league. Purdy just needs to feed the other mouths on the team more but if I recall, those 3 straight games they lost were without his guy when he struggled along with these preseason games without him. Good QB can win with any playmakers, not just one to save his hyde.

https://youtu.be/lFQGbc3PW4o?si=S5fMCIB-6sOR4ndW

Without Aiyuk, I suggest a team friendly mega contract exactly like Mahomes 500 million after single handedly winning his SB MVP which would be more than fair and will remain in place until he can win the SB to be able to renegotiate it and only then as structured in his contract which also includes 150 million guaranteed if he suffers a career ending injury on the field which nobody on the team in history ever has. Many probably think I am crazy for doing that but I am a nice guy who wants to make sure Purdy is set for life even if he doesn't win the SB.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2023/7/26/23808345/patrick-mahomes-nfl-contract-kansas-city-chiefs

Purdy will be rich like Mahomes. Just don't put ketchup on your steaks like him.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#1100 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Aug 23, 2024 5:57 pm

Not sure we'll get to see Purdy without Aiyuk. What if he improves a bit over his performance last year (i.e., doesn't have a real stinker like the game against the Ravens), we win the division, win a playoff game, but lose in the NFC Championship game in a shootout with the Eagles where Purdy plays well but the D allows a late FG to win it?

I'm not at all confident I'd pay Purdy $60+ million regardless, but let's see what happens this season and then we can revisit it.

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