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Big J wrote:thesack12 wrote:Big J wrote:Shoulda kept Darnold
Why?
Do I have to remind you that you couldn't stand Darnold last year because he beat out your boy for QB2.
Both of those guys have a higher ceiling than Purdy though.
WentzerWuver wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Okay, turning to this.
Are we seriously looking at Purdy's performance in the preseason? Who cares? Preseason evaluations are somewhat valuable to evaluate back-of-the-roster players. It's not the time to evaluate an established QB. Shanahan himself puts almost no stock in preseason games, and if it were up to him, he probably wouldn't have put Purdy out there at all.
Purdy got out there (because he asked to) to get a taste of live action before the games count, but that experience is so far from an actual NFL start that it's barely comparable for a QB. There is no game planning. There is no film study. It's a glorified practice.
I'm starting to think you don't understand what goes into playing QB at a high level in the NFL. These guys don't just trot out there and play pickup ball with a bunch of guys on Sunday (well, maybe Murray does). They spend dozens of hours every week implementing game plans designed by creative offensive minds. The players and coaches consume tons of film each week looking for tendencies and things to exploit. And that appears to be a big part of what makes Purdy good. He gets it. He understands the offense. He knows his cues and can see guys who are NFL open (i.e., not open yet, but about to be). MANY players cannot do that after a decade in the league. He can see things and make decisions extremely quickly for such a young player.
Is he always right? Of course not. Will he occasionally panic and make awful plays? Of course. So does everyone. You catch that Eagles-Packers game last week? Hell, Mahomes is good for several head-scratching plays every year, including his INT in the super bowl. But Purdy checks a lot of boxes when implementing Shanahan's game plan.
That doesn't mean I don't still have questions. In the two weather games he's played, Purdy struggled in both. He has had games against higher levels of competition where he was bad. He struggled almost the entire game against Cleveland (one of the weather games), though he put us in FG range to win at the end. He was pretty bad against Cincy and Baltimore. But in a QB-driven league, I'd be really reluctant to let a guy like Purdy walk. I think he can play at a high level for 15 more years.
Okay, I have closely read your response in Purdy's defense for the bag, like we are in a courtroom and you are his attorney aka agent in response to my constant point on his struggles during the preseason. Has it ever occurred to you that he may not be comfortable playing QB unless it's with a team stack with playmakers along with the best OT in the game and paid handsomely to make him look good? Yes, he struggled during preseason with backups for the past two seasons, but like you so eloquently pointed out that he puts no stock on them and probably was not in football shape. I give you that, but what if that is NOT the case???
Are you willing to give him his gucci bag with that possibility in mind? Ghost passer even look good last season with a loaded team and a Silverback to protect his back. Dobbs has played better with backups and players who didn't make the cut this preseason facing similar competition but not your rose petaled boy as he always struggles under those conditions when every other starter in the league didn't struggle like he did. Then again, what did you expect with a coached up QB taken with the last pick in the draft because that's what a smart QB guru can and has done or did you not get the memo?
https://youtube.com/shorts/AOGNkkFqIuM?si=NRm4mPofeKfSmrvi
WentzerWuver wrote:Not to you because you have your rose petals on along with the others on here. Did you guys get them at Gucci where Purdy will get his bag this coming off-season after he holds out like BA did to avoid struggling in the preseason once again while missing all those practices to be in football shape, in courtesy of Lynch's old habits of waiting just before week 1 to pay those gucci bags or did you not get the memo?Harry Palmer wrote:Purdy was reportedly terrible at last year’s training camp/preseason too. It didn’t mean anything.
This is what "coached up" QBs from a self proclaimed guru looks like but Purdy will be the one getting the 60 mil per contract while losing key players to make it happen.
https://youtu.be/iuSmtE84COI?si=3-GJr1aPdMa_4kss
https://youtu.be/7KqD3MNwBMQ?si=7t7NCq66rvLr72xM
https://youtu.be/7UM87a2BECE?si=vyigGmowlATADSe3
Big J wrote:Pattersonca65 wrote:Big J wrote:
Lol Grant Cohn. The biggest clown on social media
Except he’s right about this.
wco81 wrote:He had over 300 yards passing.
The one int was off a tipped ball where Juice got first touch and tipped it into the air and the Vikings ended up with it.
wco81 wrote:Remember one play, a medium crossing pattern to Jennings, which drew two defenders by the time the ball arrived as Jennings crossed right to left. Turned into a good gain.
But it looked like Aiyuk had one on one coverage underneath Jennings' route.
I wondered if Jennings had been targeted because BA was getting a lot of attention but on that play, BA had one on one, though it would have been a shorter gain unless he caught and got good RAC.
WentzerWuver wrote:Wow you really are trying hard to justify paying Purdy his 60 mil per bag along with those who are in the same camp as you if he repeat what he did last season with these points while ignoring my earlier point that you will lose Deebo and another playmaker plus key inpact players on the defensive side cause the 49ers CANNOT pay record contracts to so many players. They were only able to do so due to Purdy's current salary.CrimsonCrew wrote:JTO's breakdown of Purdy's game:
;ab_channel=TheQBSchool
One of the things - again, that is easy to miss even if you watch a lot of football - that makes Purdy so good is how quickly he reads the field. It's split-second stuff. Read one. No. Read two. No. Read three. Yes, and accurate throw. That's what sets Purdy apart, especially as a third-year player. There are lots of guys (Sam Darnold) who can make one read and throw a beautiful ball to an open player. There aren't a lot of guys who can routinely get through three or four reads in one play. Purdy does it multiple times every game.
That's part of why I think you extend him. He should have Aiyuk for the foreseeable future, but he doesn't necessarily need impact players at every position. He just needs guys who can run clean routes. With Kyle's scheme and today's rules, someone is going to shake free, you just need to find that guy. And Purdy is already among the best in the league at that.
Now from the other post i read from you, you are willing to lose those other players with the assumption that Purdy can still win without a loaded roster. If that is true, why did Purdy struggled so much during all 3 preseason games with mostly 2nd/3rd string players facing the opponents 2nd/3rd string players? Let me guess, Purdy was not in football shape or some other excuses, so that doesn't count...is that it? If so, why don't the other elite level QB struggled during their preseason games with 2nd/3rd string players even if only given a few drives before being pulled? Even Dobbs played better than Purdy during this preseason with the same units. Well, maybe Purdy can only be elite with a star studded roster. There are many QB who can take fully loaded roster to the SB and you don’t even need to be elite but be a game manager like JimmyG. Even the Ravens won the SB easily with a washed-up former 49ers game manager at the helm.
All I am pointing out is that I MUCH prefer to have a game manager on a rookie scale contract with this current star studded roster to reach the SB than hoping Purdy will not struggle like he did during preseason cause they lose key players just to pay him his bag. If you swap Purdy for Bryce, the 49ers will still play at a high level, possibly even better with Bryce cause it be like Bama all over again for him while Purdy would struggle with that garbage roster in Carolina, similar to his struggles in preseason and you know it. This is why I am willing to hand the golden keys to Dobbs with this loaded roster going forward cause all he needs to be is a game manager. If Alex Smith can learn to become one, so can he and he's smart enough to be able to play that role. The smart and wise option based on past history is that once you are able to contruct a super team like the 49ers has done with smart drafting and trades - don't *** it up, just so you can pay a QB the bag otherwise you haven't learned anything from a guy named Brady. Oh, he did lose to a backup named Foles. Could our backup be the next Foles?
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/news/why-brock-purdy-49ers-offense-struggled-against-saints-insider/d9e16bd056d5c70f81110231
https://youtu.be/7KqD3MNwBMQ?si=XQj-i6nfAd_hSFb-
https://youtu.be/vomG9v5nOtg?si=PjY8WjguinUBVpsj
If I am wrong, at least I won't get stuck with a vastly overpaid QB who can only succeed with a roster loaded with record-breaking contracts as currently constructed now. You can only know I might be right once you take off your rose petals Purdy glasses.
CrimsonCrew wrote:WentzerWuver wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Okay, turning to this.
Are we seriously looking at Purdy's performance in the preseason? Who cares? Preseason evaluations are somewhat valuable to evaluate back-of-the-roster players. It's not the time to evaluate an established QB. Shanahan himself puts almost no stock in preseason games, and if it were up to him, he probably wouldn't have put Purdy out there at all.
Purdy got out there (because he asked to) to get a taste of live action before the games count, but that experience is so far from an actual NFL start that it's barely comparable for a QB. There is no game planning. There is no film study. It's a glorified practice.
I'm starting to think you don't understand what goes into playing QB at a high level in the NFL. These guys don't just trot out there and play pickup ball with a bunch of guys on Sunday (well, maybe Murray does). They spend dozens of hours every week implementing game plans designed by creative offensive minds. The players and coaches consume tons of film each week looking for tendencies and things to exploit. And that appears to be a big part of what makes Purdy good. He gets it. He understands the offense. He knows his cues and can see guys who are NFL open (i.e., not open yet, but about to be). MANY players cannot do that after a decade in the league. He can see things and make decisions extremely quickly for such a young player.
Is he always right? Of course not. Will he occasionally panic and make awful plays? Of course. So does everyone. You catch that Eagles-Packers game last week? Hell, Mahomes is good for several head-scratching plays every year, including his INT in the super bowl. But Purdy checks a lot of boxes when implementing Shanahan's game plan.
That doesn't mean I don't still have questions. In the two weather games he's played, Purdy struggled in both. He has had games against higher levels of competition where he was bad. He struggled almost the entire game against Cleveland (one of the weather games), though he put us in FG range to win at the end. He was pretty bad against Cincy and Baltimore. But in a QB-driven league, I'd be really reluctant to let a guy like Purdy walk. I think he can play at a high level for 15 more years.
Okay, I have closely read your response in Purdy's defense for the bag, like we are in a courtroom and you are his attorney aka agent in response to my constant point on his struggles during the preseason. Has it ever occurred to you that he may not be comfortable playing QB unless it's with a team stack with playmakers along with the best OT in the game and paid handsomely to make him look good? Yes, he struggled during preseason with backups for the past two seasons, but like you so eloquently pointed out that he puts no stock on them and probably was not in football shape. I give you that, but what if that is NOT the case???
Are you willing to give him his gucci bag with that possibility in mind? Ghost passer even look good last season with a loaded team and a Silverback to protect his back. Dobbs has played better with backups and players who didn't make the cut this preseason facing similar competition but not your rose petaled boy as he always struggles under those conditions when every other starter in the league didn't struggle like he did. Then again, what did you expect with a coached up QB taken with the last pick in the draft because that's what a smart QB guru can and has done or did you not get the memo?
https://youtube.com/shorts/AOGNkkFqIuM?si=NRm4mPofeKfSmrvi
Didn't have time to reply to this before yesterday's game.
Like we're in a court? Don't quit your day job.
Who said anything about football shape? My view of the value of preseason play has almost nothing to do with Purdy specifically, and much more to do with the team's approach to the game. They aren't game-planning, they aren't studying film, they aren't calling plays intended to exploit particular weaknesses. They're just getting out there and working on different installs, etc. It's not a real-life situation for a player like Purdy.
I've said repeatedly that I have significant reservations about giving Purdy a ton of money. But I think a lot of what he does is special and would be extremely hard to replicate. Again, you lose a ton of credibility when you talk like Dobbs would come in and be an improvement. Brandon Allen's preseason stats are also better than Purdy's. Why not go with him over Purdy, too?
Again, if the "coaching up" were that easy, why was Lance still bad in his third year? Why was Beathard always bad? Why couldn't Mullens stop throwing INTs?
Big J wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:WentzerWuver wrote:
Okay, I have closely read your response in Purdy's defense for the bag, like we are in a courtroom and you are his attorney aka agent in response to my constant point on his struggles during the preseason. Has it ever occurred to you that he may not be comfortable playing QB unless it's with a team stack with playmakers along with the best OT in the game and paid handsomely to make him look good? Yes, he struggled during preseason with backups for the past two seasons, but like you so eloquently pointed out that he puts no stock on them and probably was not in football shape. I give you that, but what if that is NOT the case???
Are you willing to give him his gucci bag with that possibility in mind? Ghost passer even look good last season with a loaded team and a Silverback to protect his back. Dobbs has played better with backups and players who didn't make the cut this preseason facing similar competition but not your rose petaled boy as he always struggles under those conditions when every other starter in the league didn't struggle like he did. Then again, what did you expect with a coached up QB taken with the last pick in the draft because that's what a smart QB guru can and has done or did you not get the memo?
https://youtube.com/shorts/AOGNkkFqIuM?si=NRm4mPofeKfSmrvi
Didn't have time to reply to this before yesterday's game.
Like we're in a court? Don't quit your day job.
Who said anything about football shape? My view of the value of preseason play has almost nothing to do with Purdy specifically, and much more to do with the team's approach to the game. They aren't game-planning, they aren't studying film, they aren't calling plays intended to exploit particular weaknesses. They're just getting out there and working on different installs, etc. It's not a real-life situation for a player like Purdy.
I've said repeatedly that I have significant reservations about giving Purdy a ton of money. But I think a lot of what he does is special and would be extremely hard to replicate. Again, you lose a ton of credibility when you talk like Dobbs would come in and be an improvement. Brandon Allen's preseason stats are also better than Purdy's. Why not go with him over Purdy, too?
Again, if the "coaching up" were that easy, why was Lance still bad in his third year? Why was Beathard always bad? Why couldn't Mullens stop throwing INTs?
Darnold completely outplayed Purdy in this game. That alone should give you concern about giving Purdy 60 million.
BA is out of shape from holding out while Jennings wasn't. Purdy didn't want BA to drop any more balls, making him look bad. Didn't you get the memo?wco81 wrote:Remember one play, a medium crossing pattern to Jennings, which drew two defenders by the time the ball arrived as Jennings crossed right to left. Turned into a good gain.
But it looked like Aiyuk had one on one coverage underneath Jennings' route.
I wondered if Jennings had been targeted because BA was getting a lot of attention but on that play, BA had one on one, though it would have been a shorter gain unless he caught and got good RAC.
And you are also willing to lose Deebo just to give Purdy his gucci bag in continuation from all the other key players getting their record guccis. I know you posted this so don't deny it while I would keep every playmaker during this critical 3 year window of opportunity, especially Deebo who is alot more involved in this offense than BA ever has with his gucci bag.CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:
Didn't have time to reply to this before yesterday's game.
Like we're in a court? Don't quit your day job.
Who said anything about football shape? My view of the value of preseason play has almost nothing to do with Purdy specifically, and much more to do with the team's approach to the game. They aren't game-planning, they aren't studying film, they aren't calling plays intended to exploit particular weaknesses. They're just getting out there and working on different installs, etc. It's not a real-life situation for a player like Purdy.
I've said repeatedly that I have significant reservations about giving Purdy a ton of money. But I think a lot of what he does is special and would be extremely hard to replicate. Again, you lose a ton of credibility when you talk like Dobbs would come in and be an improvement. Brandon Allen's preseason stats are also better than Purdy's. Why not go with him over Purdy, too?
Again, if the "coaching up" were that easy, why was Lance still bad in his third year? Why was Beathard always bad? Why couldn't Mullens stop throwing INTs?
Darnold completely outplayed Purdy in this game. That alone should give you concern about giving Purdy 60 million.
Darnold deserves a lot of credit for his performance. He was good. He had some really nice passes. He also had several guys extremely open. But he got out of trouble when we pressured him, was generally accurate, and except for the bizarre backward pass, avoided bad mistakes. Maybe he's figured it out, but we'll see. His sample of good NFL play is a lot smaller than Purdy's.
I think everyone should have some concerns about giving Purdy $60 million after the first two weeks. But a slow offensive start is not unusual in the NFL. If anything, we've bucked the trend the past couple years. We should probably wait to see the entire season before we judge what to do with Purdy.
We have seen a lot of top QBs struggle through two weeks of the season. Maybe that's an endorsement for bringing in a cheap QB and surrounding him with talent. Or maybe that's a reason why you want a great player at the position. Regardless, there's no reason to have this discussion right now. Let's have it after the season.
arich35 wrote:It seems like through 2 games so far our receivers are getting way less separation than last year's average, how to hit guys if nobody is open. Vikings defense clearly gives us trouble but I don't think Purdy was bad at all, he was pretty good with what he was given.
We also had way less play action passes than we usually do, Kyle seems to not know how to get around Flores defense
WentzerWuver wrote:And you are also willing to lose Deebo just to give Purdy his gucci bag in continuation from all the other key players getting their record guccis. I know you posted this so don't deny it while I would keep every playmaker duing this 3 year window of opportunity, especially Deebo who is alot more involved in this offense than BA ever has.CrimsonCrew wrote:Big J wrote:
Darnold completely outplayed Purdy in this game. That alone should give you concern about giving Purdy 60 million.
Darnold deserves a lot of credit for his performance. He was good. He had some really nice passes. He also had several guys extremely open. But he got out of trouble when we pressured him, was generally accurate, and except for the bizarre backward pass, avoided bad mistakes. Maybe he's figured it out, but we'll see. His sample of good NFL play is a lot smaller than Purdy's.
I think everyone should have some concerns about giving Purdy $60 million after the first two weeks. But a slow offensive start is not unusual in the NFL. If anything, we've bucked the trend the past couple years. We should probably wait to see the entire season before we judge what to do with Purdy.
We have seen a lot of top QBs struggle through two weeks of the season. Maybe that's an endorsement for bringing in a cheap QB and surrounding him with talent. Or maybe that's a reason why you want a great player at the position. Regardless, there's no reason to have this discussion right now. Let's have it after the season.
Either Purdy does a Brady contract or he's out, just like Bryce today.
When you have enough playmakers and a defense, they can carry any QB to the SB, just ask JimmyG when they were ahead for most of the game or did you NOT get the memo?CrimsonCrew wrote:And you'd be keeping every playmaker except, you know, the QB.
WentzerWuver wrote:When you have enough playmakers and a defense, they can carry any QB to the SB, just ask JimmyG when they were ahead for most of the game or did you NOT get the memo?CrimsonCrew wrote:And you'd be keeping every playmaker except, you know, the QB.
https://youtube.com/shorts/AOGNkkFqIuM?si=TSN0pziqej6oXU7f
Question for you....is Purdy better than this QB who won the Super Bowl?
https://youtube.com/shorts/VLICu7d7-V8?si=0jemaN0ru_vOWGXk