2024 49ers Season

[Pattersonca65]

Doubt Fagio would ever work for York again.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/49ers/article/vic-fangio-no-longer-a-49ers-coordinator-17759812.php

Probably a mistake at that point, even with the scheme differences. We could have been more aggressive about adding a NT, and Floyd and Hargrave have played in a 3-4. I think Gross-Matos has, too.

As said, I don't think there was ever a serious chance of him coming this offseason.

Uggh on Hargrave. His PFF score is 54 for the season. He had one good pass rush that I noticed but he isn't coming to close to the $20+ million he is getting paid.

[CrimsonCrew]

No, the Hargrave signing is looking very bad right now.

[wco81]

York hired Tomsula over Fangio.

[CrimsonCrew]

York hired Tomsula over Fangio.

He did. Tomsula was pretty disastrous, though I think he got an undeserved bad rap because of how he presented. That was a bad team that he got to 5-11. They went 2-14 the following year.

And it's not like Fangio was a great HC.

[WentzerWuver]

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/49ers/article/vic-fangio-no-longer-a-49ers-coordinator-17759812.php

Probably a mistake at that point, even with the scheme differences. We could have been more aggressive about adding a NT, and Floyd and Hargrave have played in a 3-4. I think Gross-Matos has, too.

As said, I don't think there was ever a serious chance of him coming this offseason.

Uggh on Hargrave. His PFF score is 54 for the season. He had one good pass rush that I noticed but he isn't coming to close to the $20+ million he is getting paid.

Hargrave dont need to play hard after getting his gucci. Once Purdy get his gucci at the expense of losing Deebo, the guy I want to keep the most cause of his all around play, we may watch him turn into BA after holding out per Lynch bad habits. Some things never changes with this team Lol

[CrimsonCrew]

Probably a mistake at that point, even with the scheme differences. We could have been more aggressive about adding a NT, and Floyd and Hargrave have played in a 3-4. I think Gross-Matos has, too.

As said, I don't think there was ever a serious chance of him coming this offseason.

Uggh on Hargrave. His PFF score is 54 for the season. He had one good pass rush that I noticed but he isn't coming to close to the $20+ million he is getting paid.

Hargrave dont need to play hard after getting his gucci. Once Purdy to get his gucci at the expense of losing Deebo, the guy I want to keep the most cause of his all around play, we may watch him turn into BA after holding out per Lynch bad habits. Some things never changes with this team Lol

I find it really amusing that you accuse all these other guys of slacking off after getting paid. And there may be something to that. But Deebo just gets a pass? He dogs more route and half-asses blocking worse than anyone else on the roster, while missing several games every season due to injury. That's pretty rich.

Deebo got his bag after a season with 1770 combined yards (1,405 receiving) and 14 combined TDs. He followed that up with 864 yards and 5 TDs. In the two years after his new deal, he combined for 1981 yards and 17 TDs.

[Pattersonca65]

Probably a mistake at that point, even with the scheme differences. We could have been more aggressive about adding a NT, and Floyd and Hargrave have played in a 3-4. I think Gross-Matos has, too.

As said, I don't think there was ever a serious chance of him coming this offseason.

Uggh on Hargrave. His PFF score is 54 for the season. He had one good pass rush that I noticed but he isn't coming to close to the $20+ million he is getting paid.

Hargrave dont need to play hard after getting his gucci. Once Purdy get his gucci at the expense of losing Deebo, the guy I want to keep the most cause of his all around play, we may watch him turn into BA after holding out per Lynch bad habits. Some things never changes with this team Lol

I can't say for sure what Purdy will do but not every player dogs it after getting a contract. There are players who are naturally competitive who play for more than money. With BA there were some issues with his preparation and he was in Kyle's dog house for a time until BA straightened out. BA missed everything until the regular season. So I will reserve judgement on him until later in season. Hargrave seemed to have a career type year so maybe he was affected.

[CrimsonCrew]

I don't think Aiyuk is struggling because he got paid. I think he's struggling because he missed preseason and he's in his head. I'm pretty confident he'll bounce back. But I would have liked to have seen that bounce-back this week....

[wco81]

Well the Raiders coach called out several of his players for making business decisions and getting beat by the Panthers.

So who knows, maybe players want to preserve themselves.

Maybe related but I saw a headline that 1/3 of NFL players believe that they have CTE. So for those who made money, maybe they just want to make it through their contract and then see if they can get another or walk away.

Look at all the former 49ers who retired early to pursue other things, like Borland and John Frank back in the day. Also a couple of RBs who I guess didn't have the passion for the game or didn't want to put their bodies on the line.

I can't say it wouldn't be a rational decision if some players are trying to avoid physicality. Of course that probably leads to loss in playing time and maybe getting cut eventually.

Agents may be advising players to earn their big contract while on their rookie deal, go all out. Of course they should be doing that, not just to earn a big extension but for many, just to make the roster or stay on the roster.

A few years ago, there was an existential crisis, though the NFL has since become as popular as ever. But it may be that more affluent households keep their sons out of playing football, similar to what happened with boxing.

[Jikkle]

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2024/opp.htm

A lot has been made about the defensive line getting pressure and going through the numbers they aren't as bad as a lot of people think they are.

I'd say given the fact that we blitz a league-low 6.5% of the time being 11th in pressure percentage at 21.7% is pretty solid. Teams that are barely ahead of us are blitzing 20+% of the time

That's why I still contend the backend is a way bigger problem than the defensive line getting pressure. The defensive line isn't going to instantly melt guys in front of them all the time so you do have to force the QB to hold onto the ball a little bit for guys to win and get home. Coverage has gotta make the QB work a little bit to find an open man instead of dropping back and letting it rip as soon as the dropback is complete.

[CrimsonCrew]

The DL's bigger issue is definitely run-blocking to date. But we were also playing a banged-up Rams' OL. They were starting a rookie 6th rounder at center. We still aren't getting much pass-rush production from the DE opposite Bosa.

[thesack12]

No, the Hargrave signing is looking very bad right now.

Yeah, I was never a fan of that signing.

And now there's this:

Read on Twitter

Not much depth at DT to speak ok. Kalia Davis is still several weeks away, and its not like he's a proven player anyways.

[thesack12]

Read on Twitter

Yeah, this is not encouraging news.

It probably means that the soreness is not getting any better.

I'm quietly preparing myself for news to hit that he's gonna get surgery and miss the season.

[CrimsonCrew]

No, the Hargrave signing is looking very bad right now.

Yeah, I was never a fan of that signing.

And now he'll miss the rest of the season with a torn triceps.

Oh come on! He wasn't killing it, but that's just brutal. And may get in the way of us cutting him next offseason.

I liked the signing in principle as I thought it might put us over the hump last year (would have if he had played the way I expected), but I questioned the potential impact on signing Aiyuk. Our handling of outside FAs is an interesting counterpoint to handling our own. Obviously due to need. But when we need to get things done quickly, we do. Need to start doing that with our own guys.

[thesack12]

No, the Hargrave signing is looking very bad right now.

Yeah, I was never a fan of that signing.

And now he'll miss the rest of the season with a torn triceps.

Oh come on! He wasn't killing it, but that's just brutal. And may get in the way of us cutting him next offseason.

I liked the signing in principle as I thought it might put us over the hump last year (would have if he had played the way I expected), but I questioned the potential impact on signing Aiyuk. Our handling of outside FAs is an interesting counterpoint to handling our own. Obviously due to need. But when we need to get things done quickly, we do. Need to start doing that with our own guys.

I edited the post you quoted, mentioning that there is no viable depth at DT. Kalia Davis is still a ways away from returning, and he's yet to make any kind of impact.

The only thing I liked about the Hargrave signing, is that it weakened a conference rival. Wasn't enthused that they made another massive investment in the DL. Was also not thrilled with the specific player. They paid for a contract year spike in production, and he was on the wrong side of 30 years old at the time of the signing.

[CrimsonCrew]

Just to gripe....we took Moody in the 3rd round, an obvious reach for a kicker (though still a better pick than Latu). That same year, the Cowboys added UDFA kicker Brandon Aubrey, who is 10-10 on FGs and 5-5 from 50+. Killing it, FO.

[RIPskaterdude]

Honestly this season is over and it's not even a hot take anymore. CMC will probably be out for the season, and I'm just waiting for Bosa or Purdy to miss time next

[thesack12]

Well the Raiders coach called out several of his players for making business decisions and getting beat by the Panthers.

So who knows, maybe players want to preserve themselves.

Maybe related but I saw a headline that 1/3 of NFL players believe that they have CTE. So for those who made money, maybe they just want to make it through their contract and then see if they can get another or walk away.

Look at all the former 49ers who retired early to pursue other things, like Borland and John Frank back in the day. Also a couple of RBs who I guess didn't have the passion for the game or didn't want to put their bodies on the line.

I can't say it wouldn't be a rational decision if some players are trying to avoid physicality. Of course that probably leads to loss in playing time and maybe getting cut eventually.

Agents may be advising players to earn their big contract while on their rookie deal, go all out. Of course they should be doing that, not just to earn a big extension but for many, just to make the roster or stay on the roster.

A few years ago, there was an existential crisis, though the NFL has since become as popular as ever. But it may be that more affluent households keep their sons out of playing football, similar to what happened with boxing.

Are these active players, or retired players? If they are retired players, what era are we talking about?

If we are talking about 90's or earlier era players, that wouldn't surprise me much. However, if we are talking active players, then that would be a pretty concerning proclamation.

Its also worth noting that believing you have CTE and actually suffering from it are two different things.

[thesack12]

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2024/opp.htm

A lot has been made about the defensive line getting pressure and going through the numbers they aren't as bad as a lot of people think they are.

I'd say given the fact that we blitz a league-low 6.5% of the time being 11th in pressure percentage at 21.7% is pretty solid. Teams that are barely ahead of us are blitzing 20+% of the time

That's why I still contend the backend is a way bigger problem than the defensive line getting pressure. The defensive line isn't going to instantly melt guys in front of them all the time so you do have to force the QB to hold onto the ball a little bit for guys to win and get home. Coverage has gotta make the QB work a little bit to find an open man instead of dropping back and letting it rip as soon as the dropback is complete.

How many resources have been invested into the DL's of those other teams? I gotta believe that SF is near the top of that list.

Also, some of those teams utilize "Edge" position players as their primary pass rushers, but are basically outside linebackers. That being the case, I'm not sure we can use raw pressure % team stats as a gauge to blanketly evaluate DL's.

To me, if we can take anything substantial from those stats its that the 49ers need to blitz more. They are too predictable, and are getting routinely beaten with these basic schemes. What they are doing is not working, so they need to make adjustments to schemes and play calling. Of course more blitzes probably isn't the answer, at least not by itself. However dropping 7,8 into coverage is not working. If there is a chance that sending an extra defender or 2 after the QB will allow somebody to get home more often then they should dial up a few more blitzes.

[Pattersonca65]

Just heard Hardgrave is out for the year. Another blow