2024 49ers Season

[arich35]

Well losing Hargrave isn't going to help the defense at all.

[Pattersonca65]

Just heard Hardgrave is out for the year. Another blow

[Harry Palmer]

Jesus Christ, the only defender I thought had a good game.

[49er4life1979]

York hired Tomsula over Fangio.

He did. Tomsula was pretty disastrous, though I think he got an undeserved bad rap because of how he presented. That was a bad team that he got to 5-11. They went 2-14 the following year.

And it's not like Fangio was a great HC.

Some coaches are just best as coordinators and Fangio was one of them. Tomsula and Chip hirings back to back years were disastrous. Glad York learned from running out Harbaugh and hired the right football guys.

[Harry Palmer]

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Yeah, this is not encouraging news.

It probably means that the soreness is not getting any better.

I'm quietly preparing myself for news to hit that he's gonna get surgery and miss the season.

Same. Really getting hard to not see this as one of those seasons. Windows almost always close before you expect.

[Big J]

Read on Twitter

Yeah, this is not encouraging news.

It probably means that the soreness is not getting any better.

I'm quietly preparing myself for news to hit that he's gonna get surgery and miss the season.

Same. Really getting hard to not see this as one of those seasons. Windows almost always close before you expect.

Bill Simmons called it. Season from hell.

[49er4life1979]

Yea this season is definitely not off to a great start. Hold outs affecting players, injuries, terrible special teams and defense. The special teams issues date back to last year and have not been addressed. That's on Shanahan. Schneider should have been fired after the Super Bowl. They fired Wilks instead which I have no problem with either. But is Sorenson/Staley an upgrade? So far that's a resounding no. The defense is getting burned for long passes, can't get off the field on 3rd, lacks creativity, not much pressure on the QB. Wilks at least got the secondary to play at a very high level, and the unit was still 3rd overall in the league. It's still early and I am still hopeful, but remember Sorenson was not their first choice, more like 3rd or 4th. Be interesting how they replace Hargrave.

[Harry Palmer]

Purdy’s back is an issue, pending MRI.

[WentzerWuver]

Just to gripe....we took Moody in the 3rd round, an obvious reach for a kicker (though still a better pick than Latu). That same year, the Cowboys added UDFA kicker Brandon Aubrey, who is 10-10 on FGs and 5-5 from 50+. Killing it, FO.

The FO are reaching idiots when it comes to the draft as well as giving players their record bags. This regime doesn't come anywhere close to the Walsh regime from the top on down!

[Pattersonca65]

Just to gripe....we took Moody in the 3rd round, an obvious reach for a kicker (though still a better pick than Latu). That same year, the Cowboys added UDFA kicker Brandon Aubrey, who is 10-10 on FGs and 5-5 from 50+. Killing it, FO.

The FO are reaching idiots when it comes to the draft as well as giving players their record bags. This regime doesn't come anywhere close to the Walsh regime from the top on down!

True but to be fair Walsh operated in the pre salary cap/unrestricted free agency era

[49er4life1979]

You cannot compare FOs of different eras. This front office has done a very good job assembling a talented roster since they took over in 2017. Sure they've had misses. Who hasn't? Those bashing this FO surely don't seem to remember the Baalke days. Remember Trent's annual ACL draft specials? His drafts 2012 and 2013 largely did the Niners in the next 2 years. 2014-2016 weren't much better either.

[Jikkle]

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2024/opp.htm

A lot has been made about the defensive line getting pressure and going through the numbers they aren't as bad as a lot of people think they are.

I'd say given the fact that we blitz a league-low 6.5% of the time being 11th in pressure percentage at 21.7% is pretty solid. Teams that are barely ahead of us are blitzing 20+% of the time

That's why I still contend the backend is a way bigger problem than the defensive line getting pressure. The defensive line isn't going to instantly melt guys in front of them all the time so you do have to force the QB to hold onto the ball a little bit for guys to win and get home. Coverage has gotta make the QB work a little bit to find an open man instead of dropping back and letting it rip as soon as the dropback is complete.

How many resources have been invested into the DL's of those other teams? I gotta believe that SF is near the top of that list.

Also, some of those teams utilize "Edge" position players as their primary pass rushers, but are basically outside linebackers. That being the case, I'm not sure we can use raw pressure % team stats as a gauge to blanketly evaluate DL's.

To me, if we can take anything substantial from those stats its that the 49ers need to blitz more. They are too predictable, and are getting routinely beaten with these basic schemes. What they are doing is not working, so they need to make adjustments to schemes and play calling. Of course more blitzes probably isn't the answer, at least not by itself. However dropping 7,8 into coverage is not working. If there is a chance that sending an extra defender or 2 after the QB will allow somebody to get home more often then they should dial up a few more blitzes.

My point wasn't to compare our DL to other teams' DL but to say that our pressure rate is pretty solid just rushing 4 guys 93% of the time when other teams have to blitz over double what we do to be able to pressure what we can with just our 4 guys.

I'm also not saying our DL is doing amazing either and can't do better but you'll see fans (not here but other big 9ers discussion areas) constantly complain about the DL whenever there is a big completion. The table I've been pounding is the backend is a far far bigger issue when it comes to the team's defensive woes than the defensive line. If we can actually force the QB to pat the ball at least once we'd have far more success rushing the passer instead of the QB dropping back and knowing exactly where to go with the ball because once again bunch formation got a guy wide open.

While the investment on the DL hasn't been cheap I also feel that's been overblown side as well. Bosa and Hargrave are making top dollar but everyone else on the defensive line is on the cheap to getting ok money and not signed long term.

We haven't drafted it that much either as we've taken 4 guys since 2020 with only two of those being premium picks with Kinlaw being a 1st and Drake being a 2. Beal and Davis were both 5th-round picks.

Maybe not in terms of money since Bosa and Hargrave make so much but you could argue we might have more invested in the secondary in that span than the DL. We've drafted 9 DBs in that same span and signed multiple free agents as well with Ward being the premier signing.

[Pattersonca65]

York hired Tomsula over Fangio.

That was Baalke's hiring

[wco81]

York hired Tomsula over Fangio.

That was Baalke's hiring

Because Tomsula was their pet as well as spy in the locker room.

[49er4life1979]

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2024/opp.htm

A lot has been made about the defensive line getting pressure and going through the numbers they aren't as bad as a lot of people think they are.

I'd say given the fact that we blitz a league-low 6.5% of the time being 11th in pressure percentage at 21.7% is pretty solid. Teams that are barely ahead of us are blitzing 20+% of the time

That's why I still contend the backend is a way bigger problem than the defensive line getting pressure. The defensive line isn't going to instantly melt guys in front of them all the time so you do have to force the QB to hold onto the ball a little bit for guys to win and get home. Coverage has gotta make the QB work a little bit to find an open man instead of dropping back and letting it rip as soon as the dropback is complete.

How many resources have been invested into the DL's of those other teams? I gotta believe that SF is near the top of that list.

Also, some of those teams utilize "Edge" position players as their primary pass rushers, but are basically outside linebackers. That being the case, I'm not sure we can use raw pressure % team stats as a gauge to blanketly evaluate DL's.

To me, if we can take anything substantial from those stats its that the 49ers need to blitz more. They are too predictable, and are getting routinely beaten with these basic schemes. What they are doing is not working, so they need to make adjustments to schemes and play calling. Of course more blitzes probably isn't the answer, at least not by itself. However dropping 7,8 into coverage is not working. If there is a chance that sending an extra defender or 2 after the QB will allow somebody to get home more often then they should dial up a few more blitzes.

My point wasn't to compare our DL to other teams' DL but to say that our pressure rate is pretty solid just rushing 4 guys 93% of the time when other teams have to blitz over double what we do to be able to pressure what we can with just our 4 guys.

I'm also not saying our DL is doing amazing either and can't do better but you'll see fans (not here but other big 9ers discussion areas) constantly complain about the DL whenever there is a big completion. The table I've been pounding is the backend is a far far bigger issue when it comes to the team's defensive woes than the defensive line. If we can actually force the QB to pat the ball at least once we'd have far more success rushing the passer instead of the QB dropping back and knowing exactly where to go with the ball because once again bunch formation got a guy wide open.

While the investment on the DL hasn't been cheap I also feel that's been overblown side as well. Bosa and Hargrave are making top dollar but everyone else on the defensive line is on the cheap to getting ok money and not signed long term.

We haven't drafted it that much either as we've taken 4 guys since 2020 with only two of those being premium picks with Kinlaw being a 1st and Drake being a 2. Beal and Davis were both 5th-round picks.

Maybe not in terms of money since Bosa and Hargrave make so much but you could argue we might have more invested in the secondary in that span than the DL. We've drafted 9 DBs in that same span and signed multiple free agents as well with Ward being the premier signing.

Yes. If the backend played more man which we definitely have the personnel for, it would give the PR more time to get home.

[CrimsonCrew]

Just to gripe....we took Moody in the 3rd round, an obvious reach for a kicker (though still a better pick than Latu). That same year, the Cowboys added UDFA kicker Brandon Aubrey, who is 10-10 on FGs and 5-5 from 50+. Killing it, FO.

The FO are reaching idiots when it comes to the draft as well as giving players their record bags. This regime doesn't come anywhere close to the Walsh regime from the top on down!

Are we seriously comparing our FO to maybe a top-three dynasty in the history of the league in an era without a salary cap? Yeah, that's a fair comparison point.

[Harry Palmer]

Just to gripe....we took Moody in the 3rd round, an obvious reach for a kicker (though still a better pick than Latu). That same year, the Cowboys added UDFA kicker Brandon Aubrey, who is 10-10 on FGs and 5-5 from 50+. Killing it, FO.

The FO are reaching idiots when it comes to the draft as well as giving players their record bags. This regime doesn't come anywhere close to the Walsh regime from the top on down!

Are we seriously comparing our FO to maybe a top-three dynasty in the history of the league in an era without a salary cap? Yeah, that's a fair comparison point.

Don’t complain, he actually made a post that did not include the word ‘Gucci’ for which I was seriously grateful.

[clyde21]

Just to gripe....we took Moody in the 3rd round, an obvious reach for a kicker (though still a better pick than Latu). That same year, the Cowboys added UDFA kicker Brandon Aubrey, who is 10-10 on FGs and 5-5 from 50+. Killing it, FO.

the fact that we took a mediocre K in the 3rd round is very on brand for this FO

[CrimsonCrew]

Just to gripe....we took Moody in the 3rd round, an obvious reach for a kicker (though still a better pick than Latu). That same year, the Cowboys added UDFA kicker Brandon Aubrey, who is 10-10 on FGs and 5-5 from 50+. Killing it, FO.

the fact that we took a mediocre K in the 3rd round is very on brand for this FO

As angry as I was with the pick, I was not particularly surprised. Arguably the bigger issue with the pick is that if you asked Shanahan right now, today, he would say that was the right decision.

Shanahan is a great coach in so many ways, but I wish he was just a bit more humble (which is to say humble at all) and could correct some of his more glaring short-comings.

[zman1]

https://l.smartnews.com/p-9rA3V/Ix4ArJ

Good article that I largely agree with: Kyle emphasizing vets and not playing young guys enough. And I do remember Walsh being ruthless about it. I was shocked when he just dumped Deberg to go full time with Joe, but it was obviously a brilliant move.

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