The Trey Lance thread

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

TREY LANCE
QB, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS

On Saturday, Trey Lance ran designed run plays for the first time in 49ers training camp.

ESPN's Nick Wagoner reported that several of Lance's rushing attempts would have gone for big gains in a game setting, and that DC DeMeco Ryans acknowledged that Lance "stressed the defense in new ways." As you would expect, Kyle Shanahan has been scheming up plays specifically designed to utilize the third overall pick. Lance, who ran for 1,100 yards in his only full college season, offers a special blend of rushing ability and passing upside. Jimmy Garoppolo, who threw two interceptions Saturday, will need to be at the top of his game to hold off Lance this season.
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SOURCE: Nick Wagoner on Twitter

Jul 31, 2021, 6:03 PM ET

I do believe they need to start getting Lance some 1st team reps to see how much of what he's doing is legit and how much of it is the mirage of going up against 2nd stringers.

From the reports I've read from the typical circuit of beat writers Jimmy is still just Jimmy some pretty good reps and some really bad reps. The one that frustrates me though is him throwing the pick to Warner who basically did nothing but stand there. After all this time in the league and in the offense you just can't still be throwing balls right to linebackers who are just standing there and doing nothing that should confuse you.

Because Jimmy has been in the offense for a few years now and is basically familiar with the guys around him I don't think giving Lance some 1st team reps will hurt and I'd rather see what we might have with Lance to what we know we have with Jimmy.

Typically, the second-string offense would play against the first-team defense. Though that doesn't sound like it's what the Niners have primarily been doing this year. But I get the sense that they've been rotating quite a bit, and certainly Lance has been throwing to some of the first-team receiving talent.

JIMMY GAROPPOLO
QB, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS

49ers coach Kyle Shanahan said the team "doesn’t currently have plans to give Trey Lance first-team reps."

Shanahan continued protecting Jimmy Garoppolo's feelings, saying he “thought Trey had one of his better days on Saturday” but that it "doesn’t alter the quarterback composition" in his mind. He also said there’s "no plan right now to change that" and does not "anticipate Lance being able to look better than Garoppolo before the season opener." The No. 3 overall pick has caused a stir in camp, making significantly more splash plays than Garoppolo so far, but Shanahan has yet to budge on the veteran's place atop the depth chart. With the team's bye in Week 6, it's still possible the organization transitions to Lance by Week 7 no matter Garoppolo's status and production at that time.
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SOURCE: Dave Lombardi on Twitter

Aug 2, 2021, 3:31 PM ET

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

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[Pattersonca65]

If Shanahan decides to start Lance week one than I support it as I still believe in Shanahan. The kid has great physical tools for sure and has great potential. Have to see what happens when bullets are really flying and defenses are getting after you and game planning. Lance is young, inexperienced even at the college level, and hasn't played in a year. He has alot to digest. Shanahan said this,

Yeah. I mean, I just think to look a lot better than the guy who’s been playing for a while and done everything in practice and in three preseason games where you’re not playing in all the games. And I think that would be pretty tough to do so I’m not trying to put that pressure on Trey. But I mean anybody who can pull stuff off, I mean, you’re going to see it that way. Jimmy has played too good, a football. He is too good of a player and Trey’s trying to learn everything right now and soak it all in. So that’s why I’d be very surprised if he was able to do that.”

[I_am_1z]

We just need one more QB to go down in camp and Jimmy's trade value might be worth a 2nd and 3rd round pick in 2022

[CrimsonCrew]

I'm warming to the idea of Lance starting the season and being the guy. At the end of the day, Garoppolo is just too mistake prone. That's not to say that he's not capable of being a solid QB, but given his limitations (poor mobility, inability to throw deep, etc.), he can't really take it to the next level, and I don't know that he offers more right now than a guy who will also make some mistakes, but doesn't have those limitations.

This is, of course, assuming that Lance can get a grasp on the offense that is at least comparable to Garoppolo's, which is no given. But I'm also not convinced that Garoppolo has a stellar grip on the offense as Shanahan wants it to run.

[GS Warriors 1]

Need to see that 50 yard throw to Sherfield, it's pretty much the talk of 49ers media today.

[thesack12]

If Shanahan decides to start Lance week one than I support it as I still believe in Shanahan. The kid has great physical tools for sure and has great potential. Have to see what happens when bullets are really flying and defenses are getting after you and game planning. Lance is young, inexperienced even at the college level, and hasn't played in a year. He has alot to digest. Shanahan said this,

Yeah. I mean, I just think to look a lot better than the guy who’s been playing for a while and done everything in practice and in three preseason games where you’re not playing in all the games. And I think that would be pretty tough to do so I’m not trying to put that pressure on Trey. But I mean anybody who can pull stuff off, I mean, you’re going to see it that way. Jimmy has played too good, a football. He is too good of a player and Trey’s trying to learn everything right now and soak it all in. So that’s why I’d be very surprised if he was able to do that.”

Yeah, its obviously encouraging to hear the reports that Lance is performing well in the pre-pad portion of camp.

Still, barring injury or an epic meltdown from Jimmy, I gotta believe that the absolute earliest Lance gets the starting gig is Week 7 (coming out of the week 6 bye.) This team has legit super bowl aspirations, and Lance is just far too inexperienced and unexposed to top competition. Plus he has played in exactly 1 live game in the past 20 months.

You also need to carefully consider how to do right by the kid. Throwing him to the wolves on Day 1 could be detrimental to his psyche and development.

[CrimsonCrew]

I'm warming to the idea of Lance starting the season and being the guy. At the end of the day, Garoppolo is just too mistake prone. That's not to say that he's not capable of being a solid QB, but given his limitations (poor mobility, inability to throw deep, etc.), he can't really take it to the next level, and I don't know that he offers more right now than a guy who will also make some mistakes, but doesn't have those limitations.

This is, of course, assuming that Lance can get a grasp on the offense that is at least comparable to Garoppolo's, which is no given. But I'm also not convinced that Garoppolo has a stellar grip on the offense as Shanahan wants it to run.

You all saw it, I was in on this before Lance blew up today.

Lance completed 14 straight, including an apparently beautiful 50+ yard TD pass. I read Grant Cohn's blow-by-blow synopsis of the QB play, and it made me reflect on part of why Lance is the obvious choice to start sooner than later. A lot of the passes are short. Five to ten yards, where the QB in Shanahan's system has to know where the ball is supposed to go, and more often than not, that guy is open enough that the QB doesn't have to really thread the needle.

Lance also brings a rushing threat, which should open those windows up even more. And he brings a deep ball threat that Garoppolo doesn't. All those things combined mean that he should be able to succeed in this offense relatively early. And combined with Garoppolo's all-too-frequent mistakes, which he can't offset with explosive plays that he - versus his skill players - is primarily responsible for, gum up the works and limit our offensive potential.

[CrimsonCrew]

Video of the deep ball:

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[CrimsonCrew]

Totally effortless, though I'm not convinced that was 50 yards in the air.

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

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[Dodub]

Totally effortless, though I'm not convinced that was 50 yards in the air.

Everyone has been saying that the result of the play was a 65 yard TD. The receiver caught it at around the 20 which means the pass traveled about 45 yards in the air.

[Dodub]

I was on board with Lance being able to sit, but from all of the camp reports, he seems ready to roll.

I find it interesting that Lance and Fields are currently lighting up training camp, but Lawrence, Wilson and Jones have been struggling so badly

[CrimsonCrew]

I was on board with Lance being able to sit, but from all of the camp reports, he seems ready to roll.

I find it interesting that Lance and Fields are currently lighting up training camp, but Lawrence, Wilson and Jones have been struggling so badly

Isn't Wilson still holding out? Haven't seen recent news on Jones, just that he looked great in OTAs.

[GS Warriors 1]

Wilson is in camp, he missed the first day then signed the next morning. He had a throw to Moore that made some rounds on Monday, but not seemingly like Trey's.

Lance has only been throwing vs the 2nd string, but gotta like the improvement he seems to be showing each day. Lance got his first rep with the 1's yesterday, which was a designed run. 10 days away from the KC game, can't wait to see him get on the field in a game environment.

[Jikkle]

People know how I feel about Lance starting week 1 but I still hold my position that we need to see him in a couple of preseason games before going all in or not.

I'd be more inclined to say stick with Jimmy if Jimmy was more the Alex Smith type that would give you a clean, consistent, and efficient performance week in and week out but he's just not. He's good for at least one boneheaded INT or near INT a game and he just doesn't read defenses quickly or cleanly.

So if that's the case I'd rather take Lance who'll have bad throws and plays but despite that I don't think it's a stretch he'd have fewer turnovers than Jimmy.

It's just getting harder and harder to make a case for Jimmy as training camp wears on. Lance's running will be a boon to the running game, he's more willing and able to take deeper shots, and right now it's not looking like he's struggling with the mental aspect of the game either.

But I think the 9ers are secretly preparing Lance to be able to start week 1. It's too early for them to crown him but thinking about the fact he's getting the same amount of reps as Jimmy and more importantly he's getting chances to throw to the starters. Him playing behind the starting offensive line isn't really that important considering nobody can hit him anyways and playing against the 1st team defense would be a benefit but I don't think that's vital as well. He's not going to see our defense during the season so while it would be helpful to have guys make things harder for him the most important aspects for him are building timing and familiarity with his weapons, how he's executing the play, and how he's reading the defense regardless of the quality of players operating it.

[wco81]

NFC is considered weak and wide open.

Unless the brain trust really doesn’t expect to contend, it would be a big burden to throw on Trey, even if he’s the future franchise QB.

[Dodub]

I was on board with Lance being able to sit, but from all of the camp reports, he seems ready to roll.

I find it interesting that Lance and Fields are currently lighting up training camp, but Lawrence, Wilson and Jones have been struggling so badly

Isn't Wilson still holding out? Haven't seen recent news on Jones, just that he looked great in OTAs.

His holdout was pretty short, he actually missed the first two practices if I’m remembering correctly and joined for the third. Per all reports he had a downright awful start to camp and has been up and down since then. He’s had a couple of nice deep passes to Moore though which shows some promise for them, but they’ve described camp as a learning experience.

Lawrence has been down right awful at camp per reports, throwing ints left and right.

Mac Jones has been Meh, and Albert Breer (I believe) reported that Cam has been by far the best QB in camp this far.

[Dodub]

NFC is considered weak and wide open.

Unless the brain trust really doesn’t expect to contend, it would be a big burden to throw on Trey, even if he’s the future franchise QB.

I haven’t seen anyone say that, it’s weak. In fact, the NFC West is widely considered the best division in football. Tampa Bay is also the odds on favorite to win the Super Bowl, so I wouldn’t say it’s wide open either.