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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#21 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Sep 13, 2024 10:00 pm

Harry Palmer wrote:CMC officially ruled out for this game too.


I'd much rather get him healthy than have him aggravate it trying to play before he's ready. Let him rest it.
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Post#22 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Sep 13, 2024 10:04 pm

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CrimsonCrew wrote:The Shanahan system was always predicated on smaller, more mobile OL who could generally be found later in the draft. So although I don't have a clear recollection, I would tend to say that yes, this applied to Mike, too. A quick review of Denver draft history shows that they did not take a lot of OL early in the draft, but they did take three OTs in the first round (including in his first year and his final year). He had Tom Nalen anchoring the OL at center almost Shanahan's entire tenure in Denver, so they didn't really need to draft at that pot. Matt Lepsis held down one of the OT spots for almost a decade (started on the right then moved to the left).

More athletic OL have become much more popular league-wide over the past few years, largely as Shanahan's offense has proliferated. It's hard to find athletic OTs later in the draft, but they're still out there and we should have been drafting and grooming some of them.

On the OL topic, McKivitz really did grade quite well this week, not just through PFF but others who break down film. He had like two bad losses (kind of the McGlinchey thing where he doesn't lose often, but when he does it's ugly), but otherwise was strong in the run and pass game. It could be that having Puni next to him instead of Burford is helping him, though he played next to Feliciano for much of the year.

If/when Feliciano gets healthy, I'd love to put him in at center over Brendel. Brendel is probably our weakest link on offense at this point. If we could upgrade him, the OL would look a lot better. Especially if Banks can get healthy and McKivitz continues to play well.


Speaking of the OL, Burford said he he felt much more comfortable at LG his more natural position. And according to observers, he looked solid. With Banks injured and slated for free agency after the season that is certainly good to know.


I'd love to see Burford play well at LG and keep that position. I think Banks is gone next year (either he's good and we can't afford him or he's bad and we don't want him), so Burford and Puni are somewhat likely to be our starting OGs next year. Now we need to bolster that OC position. Would LOVE to bring Feliciano back and put him in Brendel's spot. Feliciano is old, but Brendel is only seven months younger. And he just hasn't been very good of late.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#23 » by RIPskaterdude » Sat Sep 14, 2024 12:50 am

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Harry Palmer wrote:CMC officially ruled out for this game too.


I'd much rather get him healthy than have him aggravate it trying to play before he's ready. Let him rest it.
You may get your wish soon if he's put on IR
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#24 » by Harry Palmer » Sat Sep 14, 2024 1:04 am

I thought McKivitz was our worst OL on Monday watching the game live, but watching the film I think Brendel was generally worse and McKivitz more up and down.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#25 » by arich35 » Sat Sep 14, 2024 1:07 am

Our RB room is looking real thin with CMC and Mitchell out.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#26 » by Harry Palmer » Sat Sep 14, 2024 1:18 am

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Harry Palmer wrote:CMC officially ruled out for this game too.


I'd much rather get him healthy than have him aggravate it trying to play before he's ready. Let him rest it.
You may get your wish soon if he's put on IR


Which is seeming more and more likely. Further reminder to never trust Kyle on this stuff, he might not break rules but he bends them as far as he can, and I’m ok with that.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#27 » by CrimsonCrew » Sat Sep 14, 2024 5:29 am

arich35 wrote:Our RB room is looking real thin with CMC and Mitchell out.


I really don't want them to keep putting Deebo back there. The runs haven't been effective for a while, and we're beating up Deebo. We need him healthy in the postseason, too. Let's give Guerendo a shot, or play Taylor more. I can't understand why the kept Taylor over Schrader if they aren't going to use him.

Crazy how quickly what looked like an incredibly deep position has thinned out. But if it had to happen, there's no better stretch of the season.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#28 » by Jikkle » Sat Sep 14, 2024 8:43 am

They only have two players that can return from IR so I tend to think they'll avoid putting CMC on the IR if they feel they can manage because I'm sure Felicano is earmarked as one of the players they intend to return. That means putting CMC on IR as well pretty much kills any flexibility they have with the IR.

That means if they do put him on the IR that would signal they plan on keeping him there a while and you probably wouldn't see him till the halfway point of the season or the last 3rd of it.

They obviously can't keep working Mason like they did and I don't think it's ideal to beat up Deebo this early as well. I'm not sure why they didn't give Guerendo any touches as he was on the field once but didn't see one play because they called a TO and put Mason back in. I could only guess was Guerendo wasn't fully healthy and they really only had him active because CMC was inactive and they wanted him as more of an emergency option if Mason went down.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#29 » by WentzerWuver » Sat Sep 14, 2024 9:42 am

CrimsonCrew wrote:
arich35 wrote:Our RB room is looking real thin with CMC and Mitchell out.


I really don't want them to keep putting Deebo back there. The runs haven't been effective for a while, and we're beating up Deebo. We need him healthy in the postseason, too. Let's give Guerendo a shot, or play Taylor more. I can't understand why the kept Taylor over Schrader if they aren't going to use him.

Crazy how quickly what looked like an incredibly deep position has thinned out. But if it had to happen, there's no better stretch of the season.
They could have easily pick up UDFA Frank Gore Jr. just as a legacy gesture to his dad for all that he has done for this club but I guess Lynch rather waste 3rd round picks on backs instead where most has ended up on other teams. Gore Jr. is now stuck in ps on the blizzard ridden team during the winter. He's born in sunny weather Miami so the Phins could have done the same as they are also thin in that position.

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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#30 » by thesack12 » Sat Sep 14, 2024 12:18 pm

Jikkle wrote:They only have two players that can return from IR so I tend to think they'll avoid putting CMC on the IR if they feel they can manage because I'm sure Felicano is earmarked as one of the players they intend to return. That means putting CMC on IR as well pretty much kills any flexibility they have with the IR.

That means if they do put him on the IR that would signal they plan on keeping him there a while and you probably wouldn't see him till the halfway point of the season or the last 3rd of it.

They obviously can't keep working Mason like they did and I don't think it's ideal to beat up Deebo this early as well. I'm not sure why they didn't give Guerendo any touches as he was on the field once but didn't see one play because they called a TO and put Mason back in. I could only guess was Guerendo wasn't fully healthy and they really only had him active because CMC was inactive and they wanted him as more of an emergency option if Mason went down.


There has been some confusion regarding the IR designated to return designations this year.

Teams are allowed 8 return from IR designations, and 10 total if they make the postseason.

The change that was made which caused some confusion is, teams are now allowed to return 2 players that were on IR at the point of final roster cut downs. Previously, players that were on IR at final cut down, were not allowed to return at any point.

I'm assuming the 9ers made will make Greenlaw one of their pre cut down IR designations. Kalia Davis and Ambry Thomas seem like candidates for the other available return designation.

In any event, I sure hope they don't burn a designation on Ambry Thomas. That guy is all kinds of awful, with basically no redeeming qualities.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#31 » by thesack12 » Sat Sep 14, 2024 1:56 pm

WentzerWuver wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
arich35 wrote:Our RB room is looking real thin with CMC and Mitchell out.


I really don't want them to keep putting Deebo back there. The runs haven't been effective for a while, and we're beating up Deebo. We need him healthy in the postseason, too. Let's give Guerendo a shot, or play Taylor more. I can't understand why the kept Taylor over Schrader if they aren't going to use him.

Crazy how quickly what looked like an incredibly deep position has thinned out. But if it had to happen, there's no better stretch of the season.
They could have easily pick up UDFA Frank Gore Jr. just as a legacy gesture to his dad for all that he has done for this club but I guess Lynch rather waste 3rd round picks on backs instead where most has ended up on other teams. Gore Jr. is now stuck in ps on the blizzard ridden team during the winter. He's born in sunny weather Miami so the Phins could have done the same as they are also thin in that position.

https://youtu.be/ZNHhoHsjjaQ?si=sVUYmcrwPMDhxiRP

It would have meant so much for his dad, along with the Niners faithful and you know it!

https://youtu.be/HZqQDrRgh1A?si=7ePckhYovkRfYq9S


Yeah, I don't think nepotism should enter the equation when it comes to making decisions on constructing a roster.

We got our dose of feel good nostalgia when Terique Owens signed with the 49ers during the offseason as a camp body WR. We don't need any additional signings just because we all have adoration for their fathers.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#32 » by CrimsonCrew » Sat Sep 14, 2024 3:13 pm

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Jikkle wrote:They only have two players that can return from IR so I tend to think they'll avoid putting CMC on the IR if they feel they can manage because I'm sure Felicano is earmarked as one of the players they intend to return. That means putting CMC on IR as well pretty much kills any flexibility they have with the IR.

That means if they do put him on the IR that would signal they plan on keeping him there a while and you probably wouldn't see him till the halfway point of the season or the last 3rd of it.

They obviously can't keep working Mason like they did and I don't think it's ideal to beat up Deebo this early as well. I'm not sure why they didn't give Guerendo any touches as he was on the field once but didn't see one play because they called a TO and put Mason back in. I could only guess was Guerendo wasn't fully healthy and they really only had him active because CMC was inactive and they wanted him as more of an emergency option if Mason went down.


There has been some confusion regarding the IR designated to return designations this year.

Teams are allowed 8 return from IR designations, and 10 total if they make the postseason.

The change that was made which caused some confusion is, teams are now allowed to return 2 players that were on IR at the point of final roster cut downs. Previously, players that were on IR at final cut down, were not allowed to return at any point.

I'm assuming the 9ers made will make Greenlaw one of their pre cut down IR designations. Kalia Davis and Ambry Thomas seem like candidates for the other available return designation.

In any event, I sure hope they don't burn a designation on Ambry Thomas. That guy is all kinds of awful, with basically no redeeming qualities.


You beat me to it. One clarification: they had to designate the two preseason IR to return by cut day. They only designated Davis. Thomas is shelved.

Greenlaw is PUP, which is different. He can return. That said, I'm not sure if he counts toward the eight IR returns.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#33 » by CrimsonCrew » Sat Sep 14, 2024 3:15 pm

WentzerWuver wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
arich35 wrote:Our RB room is looking real thin with CMC and Mitchell out.


I really don't want them to keep putting Deebo back there. The runs haven't been effective for a while, and we're beating up Deebo. We need him healthy in the postseason, too. Let's give Guerendo a shot, or play Taylor more. I can't understand why the kept Taylor over Schrader if they aren't going to use him.

Crazy how quickly what looked like an incredibly deep position has thinned out. But if it had to happen, there's no better stretch of the season.
They could have easily pick up UDFA Frank Gore Jr. just as a legacy gesture to his dad for all that he has done for this club but I guess Lynch rather waste 3rd round picks on backs instead where most has ended up on other teams. Gore Jr. is now stuck in ps on the blizzard ridden team during the winter. He's born in sunny weather Miami so the Phins could have done the same as they are also thin in that position.

https://youtu.be/ZNHhoHsjjaQ?si=sVUYmcrwPMDhxiRP

It would have meant so much for his dad, along with the Niners faithful and you know it!

https://youtu.be/HZqQDrRgh1A?si=7ePckhYovkRfYq9S


Schrader was on the roster and universally regarded as a better prospect than Frank Jr.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#34 » by thesack12 » Sat Sep 14, 2024 3:44 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:
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Jikkle wrote:They only have two players that can return from IR so I tend to think they'll avoid putting CMC on the IR if they feel they can manage because I'm sure Felicano is earmarked as one of the players they intend to return. That means putting CMC on IR as well pretty much kills any flexibility they have with the IR.

That means if they do put him on the IR that would signal they plan on keeping him there a while and you probably wouldn't see him till the halfway point of the season or the last 3rd of it.

They obviously can't keep working Mason like they did and I don't think it's ideal to beat up Deebo this early as well. I'm not sure why they didn't give Guerendo any touches as he was on the field once but didn't see one play because they called a TO and put Mason back in. I could only guess was Guerendo wasn't fully healthy and they really only had him active because CMC was inactive and they wanted him as more of an emergency option if Mason went down.


There has been some confusion regarding the IR designated to return designations this year.

Teams are allowed 8 return from IR designations, and 10 total if they make the postseason.

The change that was made which caused some confusion is, teams are now allowed to return 2 players that were on IR at the point of final roster cut downs. Previously, players that were on IR at final cut down, were not allowed to return at any point.

I'm assuming the 9ers made will make Greenlaw one of their pre cut down IR designations. Kalia Davis and Ambry Thomas seem like candidates for the other available return designation.

In any event, I sure hope they don't burn a designation on Ambry Thomas. That guy is all kinds of awful, with basically no redeeming qualities.


You beat me to it. One clarification: they had to designate the two preseason IR to return by cut day. They only designated Davis. Thomas is shelved.

Greenlaw is PUP, which is different. He can return. That said, I'm not sure if he counts toward the eight IR returns.


Ahh, right on. If they designated Davis as a return candidate while being on IR at cut downs, he will count as one of the 8 (or 10) return designations even if he doesn't actually return to the active roster at any point this season. So the 49ers are already down to 7 currently available return designations.

When posting, I had forgotten that Ambry Thomas actually made the initial final roster, so he is eligible to return anytime after week 4 as a normal return designation. Still, I stand by my earlier statement saying that I hope they don't burn a designation on him. However, seeing as how they carried him on the initial 53 its pretty obvious they plan on activating him at some point this season.

As it pertains to Greenlaw, he is on the reserve PUP list. Which I believe means they will need to use one of their return designations to put him back on the active roster. I could be wrong though. Even if that is accurate, with him carrying PUP status I'm not sure if he would count as one of the 2, pre 53, IR designations or not. If he does, then he would count as a designation even if he doesn't get back on the field this season. That would also mean with him and Davis, the 9ers are already down to currently only having 6 more available designations.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#35 » by WentzerWuver » Sat Sep 14, 2024 4:07 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
I really don't want them to keep putting Deebo back there. The runs haven't been effective for a while, and we're beating up Deebo. We need him healthy in the postseason, too. Let's give Guerendo a shot, or play Taylor more. I can't understand why the kept Taylor over Schrader if they aren't going to use him.

Crazy how quickly what looked like an incredibly deep position has thinned out. But if it had to happen, there's no better stretch of the season.
They could have easily pick up UDFA Frank Gore Jr. just as a legacy gesture to his dad for all that he has done for this club but I guess Lynch rather waste 3rd round picks on backs instead where most has ended up on other teams. Gore Jr. is now stuck in ps on the blizzard ridden team during the winter. He's born in sunny weather Miami so the Phins could have done the same as they are also thin in that position.

https://youtu.be/ZNHhoHsjjaQ?si=sVUYmcrwPMDhxiRP

It would have meant so much for his dad, along with the Niners faithful and you know it!

https://youtu.be/HZqQDrRgh1A?si=7ePckhYovkRfYq9S


Schrader was on the roster and universally regarded as a better prospect than Frank Jr.
Who cares! Should always go with siblings from legacy HoF'mer adored by fans as a priority. Lebron wanted his son on his team and the FO honors it. If Gores ask Kyle, would he say no cause he was not as good as Schrader while he wouldn't had gotten a chance to coach in the NFL if it wasn't for his dad.

It's only for ps to be part of the team, so he doesn't have to freeze in Buffalo. I been there, it's terrible in the winter where many people died last year from it.

https://youtu.be/pjoktkBSjpA?si=GqE9jVKnzMq_TsrX

https://youtube.com/shorts/Ld-FJ7Yamrg?si=GpLaj1oEJuztXyJN
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#36 » by CrimsonCrew » Sat Sep 14, 2024 6:30 pm

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CrimsonCrew wrote:
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There has been some confusion regarding the IR designated to return designations this year.

Teams are allowed 8 return from IR designations, and 10 total if they make the postseason.

The change that was made which caused some confusion is, teams are now allowed to return 2 players that were on IR at the point of final roster cut downs. Previously, players that were on IR at final cut down, were not allowed to return at any point.

I'm assuming the 9ers made will make Greenlaw one of their pre cut down IR designations. Kalia Davis and Ambry Thomas seem like candidates for the other available return designation.

In any event, I sure hope they don't burn a designation on Ambry Thomas. That guy is all kinds of awful, with basically no redeeming qualities.


You beat me to it. One clarification: they had to designate the two preseason IR to return by cut day. They only designated Davis. Thomas is shelved.

Greenlaw is PUP, which is different. He can return. That said, I'm not sure if he counts toward the eight IR returns.


Ahh, right on. If they designated Davis as a return candidate while being on IR at cut downs, he will count as one of the 8 (or 10) return designations even if he doesn't actually return to the active roster at any point this season. So the 49ers are already down to 7 currently available return designations.

When posting, I had forgotten that Ambry Thomas actually made the initial final roster, so he is eligible to return anytime after week 4 as a normal return designation. Still, I stand by my earlier statement saying that I hope they don't burn a designation on him. However, seeing as how they carried him on the initial 53 its pretty obvious they plan on activating him at some point this season.

As it pertains to Greenlaw, he is on the reserve PUP list. Which I believe means they will need to use one of their return designations to put him back on the active roster. I could be wrong though. Even if that is accurate, with him carrying PUP status I'm not sure if he would count as one of the 2, pre 53, IR designations or not. If he does, then he would count as a designation even if he doesn't get back on the field this season. That would also mean with him and Davis, the 9ers are already down to currently only having 6 more available designations.


That's right. Thomas was on the active roster. Ugh. Several guys I'd rather have kept.

I actually think being kept on the active roster hurts his chances of being reactivated later. If they were planning on that, they would have put him on a IR to return. Same with feliciano. Now they can reactivate those guys, but may not unless they have injuries or the guys playing at those spots struggle.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#37 » by CrimsonCrew » Sat Sep 14, 2024 6:35 pm

WentzerWuver wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:They could have easily pick up UDFA Frank Gore Jr. just as a legacy gesture to his dad for all that he has done for this club but I guess Lynch rather waste 3rd round picks on backs instead where most has ended up on other teams. Gore Jr. is now stuck in ps on the blizzard ridden team during the winter. He's born in sunny weather Miami so the Phins could have done the same as they are also thin in that position.

https://youtu.be/ZNHhoHsjjaQ?si=sVUYmcrwPMDhxiRP

It would have meant so much for his dad, along with the Niners faithful and you know it!

https://youtu.be/HZqQDrRgh1A?si=7ePckhYovkRfYq9S


Schrader was on the roster and universally regarded as a better prospect than Frank Jr.
Who cares! Should always go with siblings from legacy HoF'mer adored by fans as a priority. Lebron wanted his son on his team and the FO honors it. If Gores ask Kyle, would he say no cause he was not as good as Schrader while he wouldn't had gotten a chance to coach in the NFL if it wasn't for his dad.

It's only for ps to be part of the team, so he doesn't have to freeze in Buffalo. I been there, it's terrible in the winter where many people died last year from it.

https://youtu.be/pjoktkBSjpA?si=GqE9jVKnzMq_TsrX

https://youtube.com/shorts/Ld-FJ7Yamrg?si=GpLaj1oEJuztXyJN


Really hope this is sarcasm.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#38 » by thesack12 » Sat Sep 14, 2024 6:48 pm

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Pretty strange that after missing last week's game, CMC practiced a couple times this week, only to land on IR a couple days later. Of course, that likely means that his leg just isn't responding and is getting worse. Still odd that he got on the practice field a couple times before going to IR.

I would like to see the NFL make an adjustment to the IR return designations. I think it would be beneficial if they made IR placements retroactive to when the injury was initially suffered. Specifically in CMC's case, he has already missed one game due to the calf injury, so in my scenario he would only be required to miss 3 more games after being placed on IR before he could be eligible to return. It still keeps the 4 games missed requirement, but allows teams more flexibility.

I don't see any downside to making that adjustment, but there could certainly be something I'm not thinking of that could create an issue with that.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#39 » by Harry Palmer » Sat Sep 14, 2024 7:13 pm

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Pretty strange that after missing last week's game, CMC practiced a couple times this week, only to land on IR a couple days later. Of course, that likely means that his leg just isn't responding and is getting worse. Still odd that he got on the practice field a couple times before going to IR.

I would like to see the NFL make an adjustment to the IR return designations. I think it would be beneficial if they made IR placements retroactive to when the injury was initially suffered. Specifically in CMC's case, he has already missed one game due to the calf injury, so in my scenario he would only be required to miss 3 more games after being placed on IR before he could be eligible to return. It still keeps the 4 games missed requirement, but allows teams more flexibility.

I don't see any downside to making that adjustment, but there could certainly be something I'm not thinking of that could create an issue with that.



Or could say it enables the kind of three card Monty trick Kyle may or may not have performed last week. Like you know the guy’s done for a while, but the other team doesn’t, drag it out and heighten your advantaged knowledge. Not a big deal imo, the league office would just police it the same way, but I think it would become more common to try.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#40 » by RIPskaterdude » Sat Sep 14, 2024 7:33 pm

Bring back Breida for depth?
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