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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#201 » by Big J » Fri Sep 27, 2024 6:12 pm

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Are we seriously comparing our FO to maybe a top-three dynasty in the history of the league in an era without a salary cap? Yeah, that's a fair comparison point.
They also never lost a SB when they got there which has to do with calling the right plays when it matters and refs being impartial as oppose to teams with the most talent. However, it is interesting salaries does play a part.

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/nfl-salary-cap-turns-25-matter-survival-standard-operating-procedure


Shanahan isn't Walsh but then again Walsh is top 5 coach in the NFL and I would be his abilities up against even the GOAT HC. The only reason he isn't the GOAT is his shorter tenure. Hard to make the comparison though when it comes to paying players as Walsh did not have to operate during the unrestricted Free agency/salary cap era. The only salary cap the 49ers had to deal with was how much cash Eddie had in his bank account. When players like Montana hit free agency, Eddie quickly cut big checks without any worry.


Kyle has done much more with much less from his QB position than Walsh. Taking Jimmy & Purdy to SBs & NFC Championship games is like playing on hard mode.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#202 » by WentzerWuver » Fri Sep 27, 2024 6:18 pm

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Are we seriously comparing our FO to maybe a top-three dynasty in the history of the league in an era without a salary cap? Yeah, that's a fair comparison point.
They also never lost a SB when they got there which has to do with calling the right plays when it matters and refs being impartial as oppose to teams with the most talent. However, it is interesting salaries does play a part.

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/nfl-salary-cap-turns-25-matter-survival-standard-operating-procedure


Shanahan isn't Walsh but then again Walsh is top 5 coach in the NFL and I would be his abilities up against even the GOAT HC. The only reason he isn't the GOAT is his shorter tenure. Hard to make the comparison though when it comes to paying players as Walsh did not have to operate during the unrestricted Free agency/salary cap era. The only salary cap the 49ers had to deal with was how much cash Eddie had in his bank account. When players like Montana hit free agency, Eddie quickly cut big checks without any worry.


Agree but it's messed up now as far as the cap goes. They should adapt to the NBA model with umbrella and levels of luxury taxes based on how long they have been in luxury haven with tough penalties on future signings and trades but the team can go way over the cap to resign their own players and dump this renegotiate for more cap room game.

Too much grey area and confusion now for most of us to grasp.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#203 » by thesack12 » Fri Sep 27, 2024 7:40 pm

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Yeah, this backs up what we are seeing watching the games.

The scary part is that they have went up against a terrible LA O-line and a below average NYJ O-line.

At this point, I don't even know if we can say the D-Line is under-performing. They just might be a bad unit.

Worse yet, with Hargrave no longer available its probably going to get worse before it gets better.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#204 » by arich35 » Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:18 pm

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Interesting and interrupt two things out of it.

1st thing is that Feliciano is likely due back soon because Burford is still the 1st guy off the bench if a guard goes down but if Feliciano comes back that wouldn't be the case.

Actually my prediction is Feliciano takes over Center and Brendal becomes the primary interior backup.

2nd is they are not happy with McKivitz for obvious reasons. The guy just can't handle speed rush outside and that fumble he caused against the Rams potentially cost us 3 points because Purdy had two guys open for 15+ yards and he was winding up to hit one.

I know Burford was a Tackle coming out of college but I'm not holding my breath. It would be great if Feliciano could take Brendal's job and Burford could be an upgrade over McKivitiz because neither Brendal or McKivitiz are starting-caliber offensive linemen and should be backups for this team.


How often has Kyle made a change at OL during the year without an injury causing it first?
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#205 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:47 pm

Elliott back at practice. Thank God. Cannot lose another DT right now....
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#206 » by thesack12 » Fri Sep 27, 2024 9:57 pm

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You never want to see injuries, and this sucks for Curtis.

That said, this shouldn't really effect the team. He should probably never be on the field for a consequential defensive snap, and he was one of the core special teamers. We all know how god awful those units are. Special teams can't get any worse without him...Right?

There is one small silver lining to the season ending injury. That means the team won't feel compelled to burn one of the IR return designations on him. Wasting one on Robinson is 2022 was a really bad call. Robinson is an inconsequential player, and using a return designation on him contributed to the team having to carry a couple injured players on the active roster despite it being clear that they suffered a several week injury.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#207 » by Pattersonca65 » Fri Sep 27, 2024 10:17 pm

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WentzerWuver wrote:They also never lost a SB when they got there which has to do with calling the right plays when it matters and refs being impartial as oppose to teams with the most talent. However, it is interesting salaries does play a part.

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/nfl-salary-cap-turns-25-matter-survival-standard-operating-procedure


Shanahan isn't Walsh but then again Walsh is top 5 coach in the NFL and I would be his abilities up against even the GOAT HC. The only reason he isn't the GOAT is his shorter tenure. Hard to make the comparison though when it comes to paying players as Walsh did not have to operate during the unrestricted Free agency/salary cap era. The only salary cap the 49ers had to deal with was how much cash Eddie had in his bank account. When players like Montana hit free agency, Eddie quickly cut big checks without any worry.


Kyle has done much more with much less from his QB position than Walsh. Taking Jimmy & Purdy to SBs & NFC Championship games is like playing on hard mode.


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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#208 » by Harry Palmer » Fri Sep 27, 2024 10:58 pm

So…multiple sources are reporting a very heated argument between Kyle and BA at practice today over the colour of BA’s shorts. I’d like to think I’m kidding, but apparently not. wtf.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#209 » by WentzerWuver » Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:01 am

Harry Palmer wrote:So…multiple sources are reporting a very heated argument between Kyle and BA at practice today over the colour of BA’s shorts. I’d like to think I’m kidding, but apparently not. wtf.
BA wants to play for Daniels, that is obvious and this is his type of drama to force that. He is smart to get all that upfront money :)
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#210 » by thesack12 » Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:29 pm

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Giving up pressure on almost 50% of the plays is insanely high. Still allowing an incredibly high pressure rate against only 4 rushers further amplifies how bad their pass protection has been.

If the 49ers DL can't generate consistent pressure this Sunday, then they have no more excuses. If they disappoint again, we just need to concede that they are a bad unit.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#211 » by Samurai » Sun Sep 29, 2024 1:49 am

Harry Palmer wrote:So…multiple sources are reporting a very heated argument between Kyle and BA at practice today over the colour of BA’s shorts. I’d like to think I’m kidding, but apparently not. wtf.

Man, I REALLY wish this team was operating at a level where arguing over shorts was the biggest weakness we had to overcome. :wink:
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#212 » by Jikkle » Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:42 am

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Interesting and interrupt two things out of it.

1st thing is that Feliciano is likely due back soon because Burford is still the 1st guy off the bench if a guard goes down but if Feliciano comes back that wouldn't be the case.

Actually my prediction is Feliciano takes over Center and Brendal becomes the primary interior backup.

2nd is they are not happy with McKivitz for obvious reasons. The guy just can't handle speed rush outside and that fumble he caused against the Rams potentially cost us 3 points because Purdy had two guys open for 15+ yards and he was winding up to hit one.

I know Burford was a Tackle coming out of college but I'm not holding my breath. It would be great if Feliciano could take Brendal's job and Burford could be an upgrade over McKivitiz because neither Brendal or McKivitiz are starting-caliber offensive linemen and should be backups for this team.


How often has Kyle made a change at OL during the year without an injury causing it first?


The problem has been Kyle has never had anyone on the bench that was an upgrade to who he had in the starting lineup.

The fact they are giving Burford a look there means Kyle and Foerster are at least open to the possibility of putting him at RT.

McKivitz has had a pretty rough past two games so I don't think they have a choice but to at least look to see if Burford would be an upgrade at RT. Burford has experience at T and has longer arms and quicker feet than McKivitz so he might end up being an actually upgrade over him. I doubt he'd be a long-term solution to the spot but anything that's a positive they should go for it.

Brendal is right there with McKivitz which is why I think Feliciano will take his job when he's healthy or at least some point this season.

This is why Puni might be such a big addition this season because his addition might end up upgrading 3 spots along the offensive line. And I've contended that we don't need a great offensive line to be successful though it would be nice but just an average one would be enough. We probably have 2 or 3 rings the past few years if the offensive line outside of Williams was just average to slightly above average.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#213 » by thesack12 » Sun Sep 29, 2024 2:17 pm

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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#214 » by thesack12 » Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:49 pm

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As much as I love Patrick Willis, is Fred Warner the best 49er Linebacker of all time?
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#215 » by Jikkle » Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:15 am

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That's kinda the timetable I thought CMC would land.

Once they put him on the IR I knew it was going to take longer than 4 games because with his type of injury you have no choice but to get it healthy as possible before putting him back out there.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#216 » by thesack12 » Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:22 am

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Not bad for a QB that was the last pick in the draft, and an undrafted RB
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#217 » by clyde21 » Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:37 am

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As much as I love Patrick Willis, is Fred Warner the best 49er Linebacker of all time?


Warner is better at coverage but P-Willy was better at everything else IMO...Willis was a heat-seeking missile man
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#218 » by CrimsonCrew » Mon Sep 30, 2024 3:45 pm

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As much as I love Patrick Willis, is Fred Warner the best 49er Linebacker of all time?


Warner is better at coverage but P-Willy was better at everything else IMO...Willis was a heat-seeking missile man


Warner is really good against the run, but Willis was so violent. Warner can't match that. Not many outside of Ray Lewis can.

Willis is on my short list of favorite Niners ever, partially due to his amazing back story and the fact that he came from that and is seemingly such a remarkable human being. Super inspiring guy. It broke my heart when he retired, but I get it.

Since we're talking about him, maybe my favorite non-humorous commercial ever:

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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#219 » by zman1 » Mon Sep 30, 2024 3:58 pm

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Not bad for a QB that was the last pick in the draft, and an undrafted RB
Not bad? Incredible.

Interesting that no one saw the talent, even the niners, until they saw them on a daily basis. NFL talent evaluation is pretty difficult.

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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#220 » by arich35 » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:20 pm

Getting kind of worried Warner is going to miss some time. Him not coming back in for an ankle makes me think it was more than just a simple sprain

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