The Brock Purdy Thread

[Big J]

Until the INT, I would have said Purdy was having a better game than Stafford, who should have had at least two easy INTs. But neithr QB was good, and Purdy repeatedly missed open guys deep. Nothing on offense was working. The OL came crashing back to earth after a good game last week. Guerendo missed a couple holes and didn't have a lot of room. I won't even start in on Deebo, who had maybe his worst game ever, but even Jennings had a couple flat-out drops. We were constantly in third-and-longs. Once again, only Kittle really showed up at all.

The INT just cant' happen, though. I didn't see it myself, but apparently we had two or three open guys (which makes sense, as Jennings was triple covered). We were in FG range. It was second down. You just can't force that ball in that game with the season literally on the line. If Brock is both physically limited and makes awful decisions, you almost have to walk away. I'm not saying they should do that, but that was a really discouraging decision, and my cap for him at this point is probably $40 million.

Glad to hear you are coming around to my side of the fence. Takes guts man.

No one is coming around to your opinion. No one is that clueless on this board.

Crimson just listed a lot of the same stuff I’ve been saying since the beginning. Physically limited, poor decisions ect.

[Pattersonca65]

Glad to hear you are coming around to my side of the fence. Takes guts man.

No one is coming around to your opinion. No one is that clueless on this board.

Crimson just listed a lot of the same stuff I’ve been saying since the beginning. Physically limited, poor decisions ect.

That is not what he said. You sure do come to absurd conclusions. He said he made a bad decision at the end which no one disagrees with. Crimson has been consistent throughout dispelling your stupidity.

[CrimsonCrew]

Glad to hear you are coming around to my side of the fence. Takes guts man.

No one is coming around to your opinion. No one is that clueless on this board.

Crimson just listed a lot of the same stuff I’ve been saying since the beginning. Physically limited, poor decisions ect.

It's not the observations, it's the significance placed on them. You put way too much stock in physical tools IMO, and overlook or minimize the mental aspect of the game. That's not to say that Purdy is or ever will be a top-5 QB, which is a different question entirely. I think Purdy's ceiling could be quite high, if he could consistently play the way he has at his best. He has shown really good vision, anticipation, and understanding of the NFL game. But it's possible that defenses have figured out him and Shanahan to some extent. He has struggled much of the year. And if the vision and decisiveness aren't there, and the bad decisions are, then he's closer to 15 than he is to 5. And I don't think you can pay that player top-of-the-market money.

I was always reluctant to give Purdy top dollar. In the case of all but the best players, it's a bad move. After this season, you just can't do it. But I still think he can be a long term solution for this team, he's just going to have to do it for somewhat less. At least he would if I was running the show.

[Big J]

No one is coming around to your opinion. No one is that clueless on this board.

Crimson just listed a lot of the same stuff I’ve been saying since the beginning. Physically limited, poor decisions ect.

It's not the observations, it's the significance placed on them. You put way too much stock in physical tools IMO, and overlook or minimize the mental aspect of the game. That's not to say that Purdy is or ever will be a top-5 QB, which is a different question entirely. I think Purdy's ceiling could be quite high, if he could consistently play the way he has at his best. He has shown really good vision, anticipation, and understanding of the NFL game. But it's possible that defenses have figured out him and Shanahan to some extent. He has struggled much of the year. And if the vision and decisiveness aren't there, and the bad decisions are, then he's closer to 15 than he is to 5. And I don't think you can pay that player top-of-the-market money.

I was always reluctant to give Purdy top dollar. In the case of all but the best players, it's a bad move. After this season, you just can't do it. But I still think he can be a long term solution for this team, he's just going to have to do it for somewhat less. At least he would if I was running the show.

The difference is that he hasn’t had CMC & Aiyuk for most of the year. It makes you look a lot more pedestrian when you don’t have the best weapons in the league.

[Dodub]

Y’all coming around to my line of thinking yet?

My line of thinking hasn’t changed since Purdy’s rookie season. I said then that he wasn’t a franchise QB and I say the same now. I think most people on this board understand that Purdy wasn’t elite, however we rooted for the team to be successful. I couldn’t care less who the QB is as long as we win the Super Bowl, I don’t think that Purdy is the guy to get us there.

[Big J]

Y’all coming around to my line of thinking yet?

My line of thinking hasn’t changed since Purdy’s rookie season. I said then that he wasn’t a franchise QB and I say the same now. I think most people on this board understand that Purdy wasn’t elite, however we rooted for the team to be successful. I couldn’t care less who the QB is as long as we win the Super Bowl, I don’t think that Purdy is the guy to get us there.

There were a lot of people who got mad whenever I said he was mid or brought up physical tools. They claimed that he was a top 5 guy who belonged in the same breath as Burrow, Lamar, Allen, and Mahomes because he had a few more playoff wins than some of them (even though guys like Jimmy G do too). I also want the team to win SB's, and I think we need an elite QB to do that, which is why I push back on Purdy the same way I pushed back on Jimmy.

[CrimsonCrew]

Don't love this article by Jennifer Lee Chan re: why Purdy can/will get a huge contract.

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/brock-purdy-contract-extension-quarterbacks/1813698/

Overall, my response is, "So what?" Sure, all these other teams have overpaid their starting QB. That doesn't mean we have to. We should hold the line at a more reasonable contract. Yes, the team paid Garoppolo big bucks on a limited sample size, but that contract should be a cautionary tale, not justification for another bad contract. And unlike Garoppolo, who only had that great five-game stretch, we've seen Purdy play - and struggle - with a more limited supporting cast this year.

I don't think we walk away from Purdy, but I also think it would be a mistake to pay him top dollar. At least right now, he's not able to play on the level of the best in the league, and if he can't, then we can't possibly justify paying him that way. I think we pay him well, but if he wants top dollar, I'm only getting there through performance incentives.

[clyde21]

nothing over 4/140, it's that simple. wtf are his options? this whole idea that we need give every QB with a pulse top money is wild.

4/140, take or leave it. even 140 million is heavy but whatever.

[CrimsonCrew]

Y’all coming around to my line of thinking yet?

My line of thinking hasn’t changed since Purdy’s rookie season. I said then that he wasn’t a franchise QB and I say the same now. I think most people on this board understand that Purdy wasn’t elite, however we rooted for the team to be successful. I couldn’t care less who the QB is as long as we win the Super Bowl, I don’t think that Purdy is the guy to get us there.

There were a lot of people who got mad whenever I said he was mid or brought up physical tools. They claimed that he was a top 5 guy who belonged in the same breath as Burrow, Lamar, Allen, and Mahomes because he had a few more playoff wins than some of them (even though guys like Jimmy G do too). I also want the team to win SB's, and I think we need an elite QB to do that, which is why I push back on Purdy the same way I pushed back on Jimmy.

No one objected to observations that Purdy has limited physical tools. He objectively does. They (myself included) objected to your claims that great QBs have to have elite physical tools, or that Purdy was worse than a guy like Lance who, despite really good physical tools, is obviously well behind Purdy in QBing ability.

In terms of top-5, again, most people making an argument along those lines were saying that Purdy might be able to get there some day. And he still might. As I have pointed out repeatedly, guys like Brady, Brees, even Montana were all top-5 in their primes (and for some time past their primes), but lacked special physical tools. But Purdy isn't there right now (it took Brady and Brees quite a while to become dominant passers, too, it's worth pointing out). Very good odds he never will be, particularly given the number of players who combine great physical tools with the mental aspects of QB play, but it was silly and premature (and still is, frankly) to say he's simply incapable of it.

[Big J]

My line of thinking hasn’t changed since Purdy’s rookie season. I said then that he wasn’t a franchise QB and I say the same now. I think most people on this board understand that Purdy wasn’t elite, however we rooted for the team to be successful. I couldn’t care less who the QB is as long as we win the Super Bowl, I don’t think that Purdy is the guy to get us there.

There were a lot of people who got mad whenever I said he was mid or brought up physical tools. They claimed that he was a top 5 guy who belonged in the same breath as Burrow, Lamar, Allen, and Mahomes because he had a few more playoff wins than some of them (even though guys like Jimmy G do too). I also want the team to win SB's, and I think we need an elite QB to do that, which is why I push back on Purdy the same way I pushed back on Jimmy.

No one objected to observations that Purdy has limited physical tools. He objectively does. They (myself included) objected to your claims that great QBs have to have elite physical tools, or that Purdy was worse than a guy like Lance who, despite really good physical tools, is obviously well behind Purdy in QBing ability.

In terms of top-5, again, most people making an argument along those lines were saying that Purdy might be able to get there some day. And he still might. As I have pointed out repeatedly, guys like Brady, Brees, even Montana were all top-5 in their primes (and for some time past their primes), but lacked special physical tools. But Purdy isn't there right now (it took Brady and Brees quite a while to become dominant passers, too, it's worth pointing out). Very good odds he never will be, particularly given the number of players who combine great physical tools with the mental aspects of QB play, but it was silly and premature (and still is, frankly) to say he's simply incapable of it.

According to this ANYONE is capable of becoming a top 5 QB. I would rather bet on a guy who looks and feels like a typical top 5 guy than a guy who doesn't look like one beating long odds and turning into one. Lots of limited guys have strung good games together, but the margins are much thinner when you don't have outlier athleticism or size that you can rely on when a play breaks down.

[CrimsonCrew]

There were a lot of people who got mad whenever I said he was mid or brought up physical tools. They claimed that he was a top 5 guy who belonged in the same breath as Burrow, Lamar, Allen, and Mahomes because he had a few more playoff wins than some of them (even though guys like Jimmy G do too). I also want the team to win SB's, and I think we need an elite QB to do that, which is why I push back on Purdy the same way I pushed back on Jimmy.

No one objected to observations that Purdy has limited physical tools. He objectively does. They (myself included) objected to your claims that great QBs have to have elite physical tools, or that Purdy was worse than a guy like Lance who, despite really good physical tools, is obviously well behind Purdy in QBing ability.

In terms of top-5, again, most people making an argument along those lines were saying that Purdy might be able to get there some day. And he still might. As I have pointed out repeatedly, guys like Brady, Brees, even Montana were all top-5 in their primes (and for some time past their primes), but lacked special physical tools. But Purdy isn't there right now (it took Brady and Brees quite a while to become dominant passers, too, it's worth pointing out). Very good odds he never will be, particularly given the number of players who combine great physical tools with the mental aspects of QB play, but it was silly and premature (and still is, frankly) to say he's simply incapable of it.

According to this ANYONE is capable of becoming a top 5 QB. I would rather bet on a guy who looks and feels like a typical top 5 guy than a guy who doesn't look like one beating long odds and turning into one. Lots of limited guys have strung good games together, but the margins are much thinner when you don't have outlier athleticism or size that you can rely on when a play breaks down.

Yes, all things being equal, you'd rather have the guy with the physical tools. But again, arguably the two best to ever do it had relatively limited physical tools, so having a bright line rule is silly. And it's clear that Purdy has the mental processing to be effective in the league. But there are concerns about those tools being enough when the pieces around him aren't as special. Montana didn't play in a salary cap era, and Brady was always relatively cheap and playing opposite a great D more often than not.

[Big J]

No one objected to observations that Purdy has limited physical tools. He objectively does. They (myself included) objected to your claims that great QBs have to have elite physical tools, or that Purdy was worse than a guy like Lance who, despite really good physical tools, is obviously well behind Purdy in QBing ability.

In terms of top-5, again, most people making an argument along those lines were saying that Purdy might be able to get there some day. And he still might. As I have pointed out repeatedly, guys like Brady, Brees, even Montana were all top-5 in their primes (and for some time past their primes), but lacked special physical tools. But Purdy isn't there right now (it took Brady and Brees quite a while to become dominant passers, too, it's worth pointing out). Very good odds he never will be, particularly given the number of players who combine great physical tools with the mental aspects of QB play, but it was silly and premature (and still is, frankly) to say he's simply incapable of it.

According to this ANYONE is capable of becoming a top 5 QB. I would rather bet on a guy who looks and feels like a typical top 5 guy than a guy who doesn't look like one beating long odds and turning into one. Lots of limited guys have strung good games together, but the margins are much thinner when you don't have outlier athleticism or size that you can rely on when a play breaks down.

Yes, all things being equal, you'd rather have the guy with the physical tools. But again, arguably the two best to ever do it had relatively limited physical tools, so having a bright line rule is silly. And it's clear that Purdy has the mental processing to be effective in the league. But there are concerns about those tools being enough when the pieces around him aren't as special. Montana didn't play in a salary cap era, and Brady was always relatively cheap and playing opposite a great D more often than not.

I get what you are saying, but I just don’t see Purdy being in the same sentence as those guys when his playing career is over. More likely he ends up being in the same sentence as Jimmy, maybe Romo if he has a long career.

[wco81]

Look at big, strapping, Will Levis with the big arm. In 20 games, he's completing 61.2%, 20 CDs, 16 ints, 6.9 yards per attempt, sacked 68 times in less than 2 seasons, 81.9 passer rating.

Purdy is one years younger, has played 38 games, 67.3% completing, 59 TDs, 24 ints, 8.9 yards per attempt, sacked 65 times, 104.9 rating.

Or you want toolsy how about Anthony Richardson, the 4th pick of the draft last year, probably bigger and faster than Josh Allen.

In 14 games, Richardson has 50.1% completion, 10 TDs, 12 ints, only averaging 6.7 yards per attempt, sacked 20 times, 66.9 rating.

You can go back and look at more freaks who bombed in the league, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell.

Or how about Jameis Winston, the first pick of his draft class?

Not sure how fast he is but he's 6-4 230. 13 TDs and 12 ints this year. He forces passes, turns it over a lot. Averages 7.2 yards per attempt on 61.2% completion, 80.6 passer rating.

Career numbers are a little better but not much, in this his 10th season.

Physical tools are fine. You have to have brains though, as Brady showed.

[Big J]

Look at big, strapping, Will Levis with the big arm. In 20 games, he's completing 61.2%, 20 CDs, 16 ints, 6.9 yards per attempt, sacked 68 times in less than 2 seasons, 81.9 passer rating.

Purdy is one years younger, has played 38 games, 67.3% completing, 59 TDs, 24 ints, 8.9 yards per attempt, sacked 65 times, 104.9 rating.

Or you want toolsy how about Anthony Richardson, the 4th pick of the draft last year, probably bigger and faster than Josh Allen.

In 14 games, Richardson has 50.1% completion, 10 TDs, 12 ints, only averaging 6.7 yards per attempt, sacked 20 times, 66.9 rating.

You can go back and look at more freaks who bombed in the league, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell.

Or how about Jameis Winston, the first pick of his draft class?

Not sure how fast he is but he's 6-4 230. 13 TDs and 12 ints this year. He forces passes, turns it over a lot. Averages 7.2 yards per attempt on 61.2% completion, 80.6 passer rating.

Career numbers are a little better but not much, in this his 10th season.

Physical tools are fine. You have to have brains though, as Brady showed.

That’s why you get a guy who has both. Look at the guys from this years draft alone: Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye, Caleb Williams, Bo Nix, Penix. All of them have better physical tools than Purdy, and the ones who have played look like they could develop into legit star QBs.

[Pattersonca65]

Look at big, strapping, Will Levis with the big arm. In 20 games, he's completing 61.2%, 20 CDs, 16 ints, 6.9 yards per attempt, sacked 68 times in less than 2 seasons, 81.9 passer rating.

Purdy is one years younger, has played 38 games, 67.3% completing, 59 TDs, 24 ints, 8.9 yards per attempt, sacked 65 times, 104.9 rating.

Or you want toolsy how about Anthony Richardson, the 4th pick of the draft last year, probably bigger and faster than Josh Allen.

In 14 games, Richardson has 50.1% completion, 10 TDs, 12 ints, only averaging 6.7 yards per attempt, sacked 20 times, 66.9 rating.

You can go back and look at more freaks who bombed in the league, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell.

Or how about Jameis Winston, the first pick of his draft class?

Not sure how fast he is but he's 6-4 230. 13 TDs and 12 ints this year. He forces passes, turns it over a lot. Averages 7.2 yards per attempt on 61.2% completion, 80.6 passer rating.

Career numbers are a little better but not much, in this his 10th season.

Physical tools are fine. You have to have brains though, as Brady showed.

That’s why you get a guy who has both. Look at the guys from this years draft alone: Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye, Caleb Williams, Bo Nix, Penix. All of them have better physical tools than Purdy, and the ones who have played look like they could develop into legit star QBs.

Almost all have done jack sh-t. Just like Trey Lance was oozing with talent

[wco81]

I saw Caleb tonite staring into a huge hole in the zone on third down and his WR crossed right into the middle.

Instead of throwing and giving him a chance for YAC, Caleb tucked it and tried to run for it, gained or lost a yard.

Problem with the big arm guys is they won’t take the good gain the defense gives them which might turn into a big chunk play. Instead they may be hunting for big highlight plays and often get nothing.

[Jikkle]

Don't love this article by Jennifer Lee Chan re: why Purdy can/will get a huge contract.

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/brock-purdy-contract-extension-quarterbacks/1813698/

Overall, my response is, "So what?" Sure, all these other teams have overpaid their starting QB. That doesn't mean we have to. We should hold the line at a more reasonable contract. Yes, the team paid Garoppolo big bucks on a limited sample size, but that contract should be a cautionary tale, not justification for another bad contract. And unlike Garoppolo, who only had that great five-game stretch, we've seen Purdy play - and struggle - with a more limited supporting cast this year.

I don't think we walk away from Purdy, but I also think it would be a mistake to pay him top dollar. At least right now, he's not able to play on the level of the best in the league, and if he can't, then we can't possibly justify paying him that way. I think we pay him well, but if he wants top dollar, I'm only getting there through performance incentives.

My prediction is he'll get a 4 or 5-year contract that averages out to around 55 million a year.

It'll probably be cap-friendly in the first couple of seasons and hit the cap hard in the later years and there will probably be an eject button to get out of it midway through just in case things go south.

Team could take a hardline stance but it probably turns into a Kirk Cousins where Purdy won't budge and just waits out his contract.

We can argue what he should be paid all he wants but the market is what it is and from his point of view why would he take less than guys like Tua or Lawerence and he knows there is always at least one QB starved team that will give him a deal he's looking for exactly like Cousins with the Vikings and definitely the 9ers if Jimmy G wasn't a thing.

I fully expect the team to go north of 50 million a year but I'm not so sure they go north of 60 million. Obviously it's leaking Purdy will be seeking top of the market money but that doesn't mean that's all he'll accept or expect to get but with any negation you always ask big and try to gain as much as you can from the other side.

[WentzerWuver]

My line of thinking hasn’t changed since Purdy’s rookie season. I said then that he wasn’t a franchise QB and I say the same now. I think most people on this board understand that Purdy wasn’t elite, however we rooted for the team to be successful. I couldn’t care less who the QB is as long as we win the Super Bowl, I don’t think that Purdy is the guy to get us there.

There were a lot of people who got mad whenever I said he was mid or brought up physical tools. They claimed that he was a top 5 guy who belonged in the same breath as Burrow, Lamar, Allen, and Mahomes because he had a few more playoff wins than some of them (even though guys like Jimmy G do too). I also want the team to win SB's, and I think we need an elite QB to do that, which is why I push back on Purdy the same way I pushed back on Jimmy.

No one objected to observations that Purdy has limited physical tools. He objectively does. They (myself included) objected to your claims that great QBs have to have elite physical tools, or that Purdy was worse than a guy like Lance who, despite really good physical tools, is obviously well behind Purdy in QBing ability.

In terms of top-5, again, most people making an argument along those lines were saying that Purdy might be able to get there some day. And he still might. As I have pointed out repeatedly, guys like Brady, Brees, even Montana were all top-5 in their primes (and for some time past their primes), but lacked special physical tools. But Purdy isn't there right now (it took Brady and Brees quite a while to become dominant passers, too, it's worth pointing out). Very good odds he never will be, particularly given the number of players who combine great physical tools with the mental aspects of QB play, but it was silly and premature (and still is, frankly) to say he's simply incapable of it.

Purdy demands 60 mil per yr contract is now out....will not accept home town discount!

The 49ers will pay him otherwise he will hold out during the off-season skipping practices until they finally pay him like Aiyuk and Trent, which his camp has learned all too well. And if that happens, he will be out of football shape and you know how that will turn out. Since you been acting like his agent, he will make sure they will pay up soon to get him into camp early, else the team will suffer the consequences of a hold out and risk injury which they can no longer afford. Everyone gets paid on this team, it's inevitable!

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-49ers-accused-leaking-brock-purdy-s-60-000-000-contract-demands-amid-qb-s-2024-slump-colin-cowherd

https://youtube.com/shorts/erHOG4hdvTA?si=VaSSXDassVllPNX4

[Big J]

There were a lot of people who got mad whenever I said he was mid or brought up physical tools. They claimed that he was a top 5 guy who belonged in the same breath as Burrow, Lamar, Allen, and Mahomes because he had a few more playoff wins than some of them (even though guys like Jimmy G do too). I also want the team to win SB's, and I think we need an elite QB to do that, which is why I push back on Purdy the same way I pushed back on Jimmy.

No one objected to observations that Purdy has limited physical tools. He objectively does. They (myself included) objected to your claims that great QBs have to have elite physical tools, or that Purdy was worse than a guy like Lance who, despite really good physical tools, is obviously well behind Purdy in QBing ability.

In terms of top-5, again, most people making an argument along those lines were saying that Purdy might be able to get there some day. And he still might. As I have pointed out repeatedly, guys like Brady, Brees, even Montana were all top-5 in their primes (and for some time past their primes), but lacked special physical tools. But Purdy isn't there right now (it took Brady and Brees quite a while to become dominant passers, too, it's worth pointing out). Very good odds he never will be, particularly given the number of players who combine great physical tools with the mental aspects of QB play, but it was silly and premature (and still is, frankly) to say he's simply incapable of it.

Purdy demands 60 mil per yr contract is now out....will not accept home town discount!

The 49ers will pat him otherwise he will hold out during the off-season skipping practices until they finally pay him like Aiyuk and Trent, which his camp has learned all too well. And if that happens, he will be out of football shape and you know how that will turn out. Since you been acting like his agent, he will make sure they will pay up soon to get him into camp early, else the team will suffer the consequences of a hold out and risk injury which they can no longer afford. Everyone gets paid on this team, it's inevitable!

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-49ers-accused-leaking-brock-purdy-s-60-000-000-contract-demands-amid-qb-s-2024-slump-colin-cowherd

https://youtube.com/shorts/erHOG4hdvTA?si=VaSSXDassVllPNX4

Make his ass play out his current deal and sign someone to compete for snaps. That contract request will shrink by the day.

[WentzerWuver]

Purdy demands 60 mil per yr contract is now out....will not accept home town discount!

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-49ers-accused-leaking-brock-purdy-s-60-000-000-contract-demands-amid-qb-s-2024-slump-colin-cowherd

Make his ass play out his current deal and sign someone to compete for snaps. That contract request will shrink by the day.

Who would make him?!? Injured CMC ask for more money while still on his current contract and they willingly gave it to him. This pushover regime has paid everyone who asked. No is not in their vocabulary.

And this recent drive, which his agent will show them that he is elite and has earned Dak's contract.
https://youtube.com/shorts/rKPM95hWBJ8?si=UDHxbWHpdl7WkbgF

https://youtube.com/shorts/erHOG4hdvTA?si=d1LSGRM6-jNBoE3W