2017-18 CFB SEASON / '18 NFL DRAFT

ChrisPozz · Post #2141 » by **ChrisPozz** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:11 pm

I_am_1z wrote:
NinerSickness wrote:
I_am_1z wrote:Let's not even try to compare CB evaluations. Even way back when....

http://sportshoop.la/threads/janoris-jenkins.66141/page-2#post-1976403

You're going back 8 years for a comment on Janoris Jenkins where I said I liked him?

Janoris Jenkins turned out to be a good pick, Reggie.

That wasn't the reason for the link. The link is there to show evidence of my long track record at evaluating CBs. With regularity I can find a sleeper prospect no pundits behind him and tell you he's going to be good, unlike most here.

Who are your candidates this year?

ChrisPozz · Post #2142 » by **ChrisPozz** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:49 pm

Draft analyst on Raiders’ first-round preference: ‘Roquan Smith is the guy’

https://www.sfchronicle.com/raiders/article/Draft-analyst-on-Raiders-first-round-12844432.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social

ChrisPozz · Post #2143 » by **ChrisPozz** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:56 pm

Patriots Have Expressed Interest In Drafting UCLA QB Josh Rosen

https://nesn.com/2018/04/patriots-have-expressed-interest-in-drafting-ucla-qb-josh-rosen/

If Rosen is available at No. 9 overall, could they swing a deal with the San Francisco 49ers to move up for Rosen? The draft trade value chart says it would take either the Patriots’ No. 23 overall pick and the 31st overall pick or No. 23, 43 and 95 to move up. The 49ers kind of owe the Patriots a favor anyway after acquiring quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo for just a second-round pick. Either scenario seems worthwhile for a quarterback deemed by some as the most talented passer in the draft. As for the Patriots’ level of interest in Rosen, that’s hard to say. The Patriots have shown interest in many quarterbacks this offseason, and Rosen is among them. Do they like him enough to move up? Do they like him more than other top passers? The Patriots are historically tight lipped, but the intrigue is real.

My track record with some teams drafts are spottier than others. New England being one of the harder reads at certain positions. I don't have major feelings on if they'd actually swing this. My history tells me I shouldn't get worked up positively or negatively towards who they might go after so a part of me feels nothing about that.

But if for some THEY do go this route..... :banghead:

If they land Rosen and the 49ers are involved...... :banghead:

At the same time. It wouldn't be ENTIRELY bad because I do like a bunch of guys at 23, 31, 43, and 95 this year. I could find some good in that...but likely ultimately going to be disappointed with who they take there just because I don't yet have a ton of faith in JL and KS when it comes to the draft.

The overriding feeling coming out of all that though could be that the Pats got him and it came with the 49ers involved. Whether or not that's softened by who the 49ers get or multiplied by a thousand based on who they get out of it themselves I don't know yet.

I_am_1z · Post #2144 » by **I_am_1z** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:33 pm

ChrisPozz wrote:
I_am_1z wrote:
NinerSickness wrote:
You're going back 8 years for a comment on Janoris Jenkins where I said I liked him?

Janoris Jenkins turned out to be a good pick, Reggie.

That wasn't the reason for the link. The link is there to show evidence of my long track record at evaluating CBs. With regularity I can find a sleeper prospect no pundits behind him and tell you he's going to be good, unlike most here.

Who are your candidates this year?

Honestly, I've been waiting for Christian Campbell to come out for so long that I've ignored every other prospect coming in this year.

ChrisPozz · Post #2145 » by **ChrisPozz** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:36 pm

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ChrisPozz · Post #2147 » by **ChrisPozz** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:39 pm

49ers hosting pre-draft visit with Florida State CB Tarvarus McFadden

http://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/115312-49ers-hosting-pre-draft-visit-florida-state-tarvarus-mcfadden/

49ers hosting pre-draft visit with Penn State CB Chris Campbell

http://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/115309-49ers-hosting-pre-draft-visit-penn-state-chris-campbell/

I_am_1z · Post #2148 » by **I_am_1z** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:11 pm

ChrisPozz wrote:49ers hosting pre-draft visit with Florida State CB Tarvarus McFadden

http://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/115312-49ers-hosting-pre-draft-visit-florida-state-tarvarus-mcfadden/

49ers hosting pre-draft visit with Penn State CB Chris Campbell

http://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/115309-49ers-hosting-pre-draft-visit-penn-state-chris-campbell/

They took my guy Akhello last year. Let's just double up and make Goff gag from the smothering coverage from our secondary.

There's no way a guy that's his height, his length, his athletism, should be projected as a 6th rounder.

ChrisPozz · Post #2149 » by **ChrisPozz** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:19 am

Baker Mayfield Doesn’t Have Time for Your No. 6 Pick

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/04/18/baker-mayfield-2018-nfl-draft-quarterbacks

NinerSickness · Post #2150 » by **NinerSickness** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:10 am

I_am_1z wrote:
NinerSickness wrote:
I_am_1z wrote:Let's not even try to compare CB evaluations. Even way back when....

http://sportshoop.la/threads/janoris-jenkins.66141/page-2#post-1976403

You're going back 8 years for a comment on Janoris Jenkins where I said I liked him?

Janoris Jenkins turned out to be a good pick, Reggie.

That wasn't the reason for the link. The link is there to show evidence of my long track record at evaluating CBs. With regularity I can find a sleeper prospect no pundits behind him and tell you he's going to be good, unlike most here.

I never said you were bad at evaluating CBs. I said you're a homer. Twice you've said a Penn State player was the best in the draft when there were clearly better prospects.

Lots of football fans are homers. I never was one (I actually hated most Niner draft picks). I also don't have a favourite CFB team, so that helps.

NinerSickness · Post #2151 » by **NinerSickness** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:11 am

ChrisPozz wrote:Baker Mayfield Doesn’t Have Time for Your No. 6 Pick

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/04/18/baker-mayfield-2018-nfl-draft-quarterbacks

If Mayfield goes lower than 2, some team made a huge mistake IMO. I'm not concerned w/ his character; I'll take little-dog syndrome over douchey partying & drug use.

I_am_1z · Post #2152 » by **I_am_1z** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:42 am

NinerSickness wrote:
I_am_1z wrote:
NinerSickness wrote:
You're going back 8 years for a comment on Janoris Jenkins where I said I liked him?

Janoris Jenkins turned out to be a good pick, Reggie.

That wasn't the reason for the link. The link is there to show evidence of my long track record at evaluating CBs. With regularity I can find a sleeper prospect no pundits behind him and tell you he's going to be good, unlike most here.

I never said you were bad at evaluating CBs. I said you're a homer. Twice you've said a Penn State player was the best in the draft when there were clearly better prospects.

Lots of football fans are homers. I never was one (I actually hated most Niner draft picks). I also don't have a favourite CFB team, so that helps.

Who? Are you going all the way back to Aaron Maybin? I swore off evaluating pass rushers after that incident. BTW don't forget I'm not only telling you SQBK is the best player in the draft, he's also the already a TOP 3 back in the NFL as soon as he puts on an NFL uniform. David Johnson, Todd Gurley-Man, the only two beating him out at the moment. I'm not exactly sure how I'm a homer when I call out players like Hackenburg being undraftable and laud guys like Bowman, Lee, Godwin, Robinson, and Amos.

NinerSickness · Post #2153 » by **NinerSickness** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:54 am

I_am_1z wrote:BTW don't forget I'm not only telling you SQBK is the best player in the draft, he's also the already a TOP 3 back in the NFL as soon as he puts on an NFL uniform.

That's a mainstream opinion.

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #2154 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:56 am

Courtland Sutton - WR - Mustangs

SMU WR Courtland Sutton is taking an official predraft visit to the Dallas Cowboys on Wednesday.

Tip of the cap to Rotoworld's Josh Norris, here. As soon as the Cowboys opted to release Dez Bryant, draft pundits and fans the world 'round fell over themselves to project Sutton as a future pass-catcher for Dak Prescott. It's a logical enough fit, at least assuming that Dallas would like a similarly-bodied wideout. Dez measures 6-foot-2, 215 pounds, while Sutton has checked out at 6-foot-3, 218 pounds this spring. Adding fuel to this speculation fire, the Cowboys were showing interest in Sutton even before they parted ways with the combative Bryant, with HC Jason Garrett and WR coach Sanjay Lal putting him through his drill paces during his late March pro day. The SMU standout is in play to be the first receiver drafted next week. For reference's sake, the Cowboys own the No. 19 overall pick for Day 1.
Source: Josh Norris on Twitter

Apr 18 - 5:02 PM

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #2155 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:03 am

Josh Rosen - QB - Bruins

NESN's Doug Kyed reports that the New England Patriots are interested in UCLA QB Josh Rosen.

Oh boy. But before this potentially apocalyptic move could happen, two things would need to occur. First, Rosen would need to begin to slide in the draft. That's certainly a possibility, especially if he were to slip past Denver's pick at No. 5. Should that slide take place -- we've seen the quarterback drop in a few mocks -- the Patriots would then need to pull off a trade to move up, likely requiring both their No. 23 and No. 31 picks in the first. And maybe a little extra juice beyond that. NESN's Kyed floats the 49ers at the No. 9 selection as a logical trade partner. Before mass panic sets in over the Patriots owning the NFL for another decade-plus, Kyed does note that while New England is interested in Rosen, the degree of interest, here, is less certain.
Source: NESN

Apr 18 - 3:13 PM

Josh Rosen - QB - Player

NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah reports Josh Rosen is the quarterback "most likely to slide."

"Everyone I've talked to believes there will be three quarterbacks in the first five picks," Jeremiah said. "That means someone out of the 'big four' could slide. When I bring this up with personnel executives, Rosen is the one they point to as the most likely slider." Rosen's stock is down leading to the draft, with some teams questioning his leadership and off-field character. He's expected to go behind Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield, and Sam Darnold. If Rosen slides, we don't see him getting past Buffalo with the No. 12 pick.
Source: NFL Network

Apr 18 - 6:30 PM

Bingo_AlphaMan · Post #2156 » by **Bingo_AlphaMan** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:13 am

Baker Mayfield - QB - Player

ESPN New York's Rich Cimini believes the Jets are targeting Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold with the No. 3 pick.

The Jets haven't had much interest in Josh Allen and look to have Mayfield slightly ahead of Josh Rosen. With Allen the top pick favorite, Darnold could slide to the Jets if the Giants pivot to Saquon Barkley. Mayfield has been rising over the last week and isn't expected to fall out of the top-five picks.
Source: ESPN New York

Apr 18 - 6:01 PM

ChrisPozz · Post #2157 » by **ChrisPozz** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:40 pm

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ChrisPozz · Post #2158 » by **ChrisPozz** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:41 pm

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/04/19/jon-gruden-oakland-raiders-minicamp-draft-mmqb

3. One of the strongest player/team connections I’ve heard over the past two weeks has linked Virginia Tech LB Tremaine Edmunds to the 49ers. Which probably means it’s not happening. Edmunds, athletically, could easily slide into the KJ Wright role in San Francisco’s Seattle-style defense, and he fits the bill personality-wise, too, after what just went down with Reuben Foster. “They need to go safe,” said one rival exec. “And this kid is buttoned up, a great kid who’d be a very good pick for them.”

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10. Good news/bad news on the draft class in general. Good news: There’s depth that will lead to better-than-usual quality into the fourth round. Bad news: This group isn’t stocked with blue-chippers. There’s a cliff somewhere in the teens that has plenty of teams looking at picks in the 20s as de facto second-rounders. One NFL exec explained it like this: “(Picks) 20 and 55 may wind up being the same. The guy in the last third of the first round, you might be paying a first-round premium on him and he’s no different than the guy at 35 to 40. And those guys in the last third of first round, top half of the second, they’re the same not only in ability but value of their role in the game.” This dynamic also could make it a little harder for Buffalo, which has the 22nd pick, to trade up.

ChrisPozz · Post #2159 » by **ChrisPozz** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:49 pm

ChrisPozz wrote:https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/04/19/jon-gruden-oakland-raiders-minicamp-draft-mmqb

3. One of the strongest player/team connections I’ve heard over the past two weeks has linked Virginia Tech LB Tremaine Edmunds to the 49ers. Which probably means it’s not happening. Edmunds, athletically, could easily slide into the KJ Wright role in San Francisco’s Seattle-style defense, and he fits the bill personality-wise, too, after what just went down with Reuben Foster. “They need to go safe,” said one rival exec. “And this kid is buttoned up, a great kid who’d be a very good pick for them.”

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10. Good news/bad news on the draft class in general. Good news: There’s depth that will lead to better-than-usual quality into the fourth round. Bad news: This group isn’t stocked with blue-chippers. There’s a cliff somewhere in the teens that has plenty of teams looking at picks in the 20s as de facto second-rounders. One NFL exec explained it like this: “(Picks) 20 and 55 may wind up being the same. The guy in the last third of the first round, you might be paying a first-round premium on him and he’s no different than the guy at 35 to 40. And those guys in the last third of first round, top half of the second, they’re the same not only in ability but value of their role in the game.” This dynamic also could make it a little harder for Buffalo, which has the 22nd pick, to trade up.

I was told James and his agents made the decision after his strong effort at the combine. They believed he’d shown teams, on the field, what they needed to see. And that’s a decision I’ve heard a couple other kids projected inside the Top 15 or so picks have made as well. And I think it’s probably smart, because I’m hearing—from coaches—that workouts in particular, and prospects’ schedules in general, have gotten way out of control. It’s in part a product of the combine being moved back a week, which has crunched the time between pro days and the draft, and forced players to fit meetings and workouts with teams into a smaller window.

Potential first-round LB Leighton Vander Esch had 11 team visits in a 14-day span that wrapped Wednesday. Another first-round prospect, Florida DT Taven Bryan, had eight workouts, followed by 12 team visits in a 16-day span, and then had three more requests for workouts after that. And the result here is obvious. Guys get worn down to nothing.

“I worked out a guy who was dead because he got smoked by the team that worked him out two days before,” said one assistant coach from an NFC team. “I had some questions about his toughness coming in, but I had to give him a pass on the whole thing. And it’s on the coaches for doing that.”

I’ve heard that, in some cases, the workouts can last over an hour, and are used as tests of players’ football character, like a boot camp would. So guys get tired, and they’re physically being asked to do different things from place to place, and it shouldn’t be a surprise that Wisconsin CB Nick Nelson is tearing his meniscus while working out for the Lions, or NC State DT Kentavius Street is tearing his ACL working out for the Giants. It’s simply gotten to be too much—and at period time where the players are responsible for their own medical insurance, and are left holding the bag if an injury kills their draft value. And that’s without getting to the kind of shape these guys will report to their teams in come May.

The solution? One I heard was to curb private workouts all together, under the premise that pro days and combine are enough. Another was to set a number, and make teams do workouts jointly (some already have), as a max number of workouts and Top 30 visits teams can do. What’s certain is that something should change here

And that. I'm mildly surprised changes haven't come already on that.

ChrisPozz · Post #2160 » by **ChrisPozz** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:04 pm

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It's actually spelled Kameron.

Maybe not surprising if you know my history that I want to see him at corner first before thinking about safety. Very high effort player. Very good techniques for someone who hasn't played a ton of corner. Physical. Good ceiling at corner in the right system. Might not be ready for a defense day one - in terms of a big role - but should transition to coverage special teams and, I think, has a little kick experience as well. I think Mike Mayock has been high on him, too.