2017 John Lynch hired as GM & Kyle Shanahan named HC

[Pattersonca65]

49ers GM candidate Riddick has strong views on NFL coaching

http://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/49ers-GM-candidate-Riddick-has-strong-views-on-10835100.php

“I know there are plenty of people, there are plenty of teams, that wouldn’t hire me based on some of the things that I’ve said, or how strong my personality is,” Riddick said. “It’s one of the main reasons that I’m not in the NFL right now: Because I have a strong personality. I believe in what I believe in football. I’m very confident in what I believe … That’s the way of the world. You can’t please everybody and I don’t really care about pleasing everybody.”

I swear this was ripped out of my own head and heart. It's something I could easily see myself telling people I spend time and work with. Just on a much, much, much, much, much smaller level of course.

I'm impressed with Riddick everything he says something. He's always on point.

Listen to some of the stuff he says about organizational structure. It's exactly the mindset a GM needs to have.

A former Eagles scout that worked under Riddick came on as a guest on KNBR and raved about Riddick. Was a really interesting take about what it was like working under Riddick in Philly and how he was viewed in and outside the organization and what his strengths were.

[thesack12]

Furthermore, other organizations (Eagles, Patriots, Ravens, Falcons, Bucs, etc.) engage in many of the same types of acts as far as numbers, tendencies, etc.. Obviously, that doesn't mean they are all number-crunching the exact same way and putting the same value on it for the draft, free agency, player development, etc., so I don't have a major problem if anybody wants to get extremely detailed with it and explain why the 49ers method for doing it isn't as good as team X or if system X would be better than the ways Marathe and York are going about it. I have yet to find anybody dedicated enough or capable of being able to construct an argument for that, though. The same old ways of communicating one's frustration with the lack of success and how they're involved is just too much any more and not my time, but that's just me. Maybe others find some value in the same old, same old.

I also don't fault anybody if they want to stick with the known dysfunction on how Marathe and York go about treating and dealing with employees, what's being asked of them on a day to day basis, or for the type of politicking that they engage in. Go ahead and criticize that all you want because that's where a lot of the dysfunction lies IMO, but the number-crunching and placing values on different parts of the game with different models and the outrage that comes from that is so ludicrous because that's an avenue more and more teams are starting to go down with guys that are on these staffs.

Answer me one question, If Marathe isn't as involved in football decision making as some people think why is he being consulted about and will be standing in these HC and GM interviews?

If he's strictly a numbers/contract guy, shouldn't his only involvement in the new regime search being writing up the new HC and GM's contracts?

I'm not saying he isn't involved in football decision making. I'm not saying he's strictly a numbers/contract guy. I'm not saying he isn't part of the dysfunction. I'm not saying he doesn't get into the politics. I'm saying it's difficult to discuss Marathe with people who have already made up their mind on Marathe using a mental structure of how they perceive the situation to be and have little to no idea of how other owners, who also have their own dysfunctional things go on underneath of them, have their organization structured as well with people who do SOME of the same types of studies and number-crunching that the 49ers are getting into.

Again, it's a hard discussion to have because it's such a complicated thing and most fans want it to be you're either a fan or you hate the guy and want him gone type of thing. I'm trying to separate many of the things being discussed, add a whole lot of detail that I've obtained over the years looking into these types of things, and pick out pieces here and there where I find some inaccuracies and then try to tie everything back up together into one picture again. I realize I probably am not doing the best job of that but that's because this is a very detailed subject and I think fans just want it to be a simple yes or no, black or white, bad or good type of thing.

I know my posting style can come off as snarky at times, but I can appreciate all of these points and thoughts.

I can't speak for others, but for me personally I have 2 major issues with Marathe:

1) As I've already stated, hes a proven rat with a very greasy type of persona. I'm not naiive enough to think that there aren't other people in the league that aren't the same way to a certain extent, and I'm sure you have to be a little undercuttish and backhanded to rise up through the ranks in the NFL. That said it sure as hell seems that in the last 4 years or so, the amount of dirty laundry getting aired in San Francisco FAR exceeds that of any other team. Teams that conduct themselves in a proper fashion tend to handle things internally and whatever transpires out of the public eye stays out of the public eye for good. That being the case, most everything points to Marathe being the ring leader and orchestrator of all the leaks. That alone makes him a problem, and a HUGE reason for all the current dysfunction in my eyes.

2) He obviously has a voice in making football decisions. My issue with that is, more than 90% of football decisions this team has made the last 3 or 4 years have been bad. How much influence he has had on those decisions is up for interpretation and debate. If he has a sizable voice, that alone is merit enough to get him the hell out of the decision making process.

If Jed truly wanted to "clean house to create a championship culture", Marathe should have been pushed out the door as well. The recent track record of that guy leads one to believe he influences an anti championship culture.

If that's just the blind thoughts of a fan, I'm ok with that as this is a message board afterall.

[Pattersonca65]

Kawakami's take on Marathe

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2017/01/03/49ers-search/

[Pattersonca65]

Answer me one question, If Marathe isn't as involved in football decision making as some people think why is he being consulted about and will be standing in these HC and GM interviews?

If he's strictly a numbers/contract guy, shouldn't his only involvement in the new regime search being writing up the new HC and GM's contracts?

I'm not saying he isn't involved in football decision making. I'm not saying he's strictly a numbers/contract guy. I'm not saying he isn't part of the dysfunction. I'm not saying he doesn't get into the politics. I'm saying it's difficult to discuss Marathe with people who have already made up their mind on Marathe using a mental structure of how they perceive the situation to be and have little to no idea of how other owners, who also have their own dysfunctional things go on underneath of them, have their organization structured as well with people who do SOME of the same types of studies and number-crunching that the 49ers are getting into.

Again, it's a hard discussion to have because it's such a complicated thing and most fans want it to be you're either a fan or you hate the guy and want him gone type of thing. I'm trying to separate many of the things being discussed, add a whole lot of detail that I've obtained over the years looking into these types of things, and pick out pieces here and there where I find some inaccuracies and then try to tie everything back up together into one picture again. I realize I probably am not doing the best job of that but that's because this is a very detailed subject and I think fans just want it to be a simple yes or no, black or white, bad or good type of thing.

I know my posting style can come off as snarky at times, but I can appreciate all of these points and thoughts.

I can't speak for others, but for me personally I have 2 major issues with Marathe:

1) As I've already stated, hes a proven rat with a very greasy type of persona. I'm not naiive enough to think that there aren't other people in the league that aren't the same way to a certain extent, and I'm sure you have to be a little undercuttish and backhanded to rise up through the ranks in the NFL. That said it sure as hell seems that in the last 4 years or so, the amount of dirty laundry getting aired in San Francisco FAR exceeds that of any other team. Teams that conduct themselves in a proper fashion tend to handle things internally and whatever transpires out of the public eye stays out of the public eye for good. That being the case, most everything points to Marathe being the ring leader and orchestrator of all the leaks. That alone makes him a problem, and a HUGE reason for all the current dysfunction in my eyes.

2) He obviously has a voice in making football decisions. My issue with that is, more than 90% of football decisions this team has made the last 3 or 4 years have been bad. How much influence he has had on those decisions is up for interpretation and debate. If he has a sizable voice, that alone is merit enough to get him the hell out of the decision making process.

If Jed truly wanted to "clean house to create a championship culture", Marathe should have been pushed out the door as well. The recent track record of that guy leads one to believe he influences an anti championship culture.

If that's just the blind thoughts of a fan, I'm ok with that as this is a message board afterall.

This is spot on.

[Pattersonca65]

Just one more

http://www.bayareasportsguy.com/49ers-demise-not-just-the-fault-of-jed-trent-jimmy-tom-and-kap/

[Ray_Dogg]

The valid knock on Paraag is leaks, no doubt. He had a title stripped and I haven't seen anyone suspect him since of leaking info.

[thesack12]

The valid knock on Paraag is leaks, no doubt. He had a title stripped and I haven't seen anyone suspect him since of leaking info.

In San Diego, there was not a peep of McCoy getting fired until it was official if. At the time Jeff Fisher was fired, the talk was about the extension he signed not that he was about to get canned. There was long speculation that Gus Bradley was going to get canned but solely speculation until he actually became unemployed. Rex Ryan got officially fired before it was reported he was getting axed. In fact Fisher, Ryan, Bradley were all fired before the season even ended, yet no leaks.

There were rumors swirling about Kubiak resigning prior to his last game, but thats a different scenario. That was an individual's decision, so it may have been somebody personally close to Gary that relayed the word.

In San Francisco word comes out prior to the last game that both Baalke and Kelly are getting fired. In the mean time Jed has to make a call to Chip Kelly the night before the last game to tell him that a decision hadn't been made yet (which was BS), and Trent Baalke takes a radio interview to confirm he had been let go and explain why he was at the game.

Sure, its up for debate whether Marathe was the source of these latest round of leaks, but you know what they say about prior behavior : Its the best indicator of future behavior. Besides unless it was Gamble or a lower level employee (Both highly doubtful) Marathe and York are the only remaining common denominators. I doubt Jed wanted to make what I'm sure was a very awkward phone call to Chip Kelly, which would lead me to believe it was old motormouth Marathe yet again.

[Jikkle]

One thing to note is the fact they've gotten so many willing people to interview for the GM spot probably means York's reputation isn't as bad around the league as it is with the local media and fans. Some of these guys have turned down more than one chance to interview in the past as well so not all of these guys are desperate to get just any job.

And also the fact they've gotten this many people to interview does mean you can't underestimate the appeal in walking into a clean slate and having the materials to start building.

I think the thing is with working with Jed is that all he wants is his name on the production and if the production is good he'll leave you be to do your work. It's when things start going wrong is when the revving up of that bus starts and you get tossed under it.

It's why I like Riddick because his personality lends itself to be a strong leader in the front office which is what the front office desperately needs and as long Jed can accept that and step away and let them do their work the team can be successful again despite having bungling ownership.

[Pattersonca65]

The valid knock on Paraag is leaks, no doubt. He had a title stripped and I haven't seen anyone suspect him since of leaking info.

There are a lot not valid knocks than just the leaks and a title is just that, a title. It appears he is still very much involved in football related matters. I am sure there are 100 more qualified people out there the York's can turn to for assistance in their GM and coaching search

[thesack12]

One thing to note is the fact they've gotten so many willing people to interview for the GM spot probably means York's reputation isn't as bad around the league as it is with the local media and fans. Some of these guys have turned down more than one chance to interview in the past as well so not all of these guys are desperate to get just any job.

And also the fact they've gotten this many people to interview does mean you can't underestimate the appeal in walking into a clean slate and having the materials to start building.

I think the thing is with working with Jed is that all he wants is his name on the production and if the production is good he'll leave you be to do your work. It's when things start going wrong is when the revving up of that bus starts and you get tossed under it.

It's why I like Riddick because his personality lends itself to be a strong leader in the front office which is what the front office desperately needs and as long Jed can accept that and step away and let them do their work the team can be successful again despite having bungling ownership.

All valid points

I would add that there is only 1 GM opening currently, which by default artificially enhances the appeal of the job if you are a candidate that is gung ho about getting in the saddle.

Also, in demand HC candidates often take an interview from somewhere they don't have interest in so that they create leverage and ammo to increase their price for the team they want to be with.

[wco81]

Can you imagine Harbaugh putting up with Paraag trying to sit in on meetings with coaches and players?

And it has been reported that he was trying to evaluate players when Erickson as coach. He also tried to give game management tips to some of the coaches.

Fact is, under the Yorks, the 49ers have had mostly losing seasons, except under Harbaugh and Mariucci. And that pattern has held since the Yorks adopted Paraag. His contributions haven't done ****, except when they wanted to get rid of Harbaugh, he was probably the leaker.

Whoever the next HC and GM is will probably have to humor Paraag given his title and the absolute faith the Yorks have in him.

So why should 49ers fans have a positive view of him, when the team has been bad since he joined the organization except for the Harbaugh years and he had a big role is ousting Harbaugh? Why shouldn't there be criticism of him trying to be involved in football matters?

VIvek Randive is a laughingstock to NBA fans for some of his basketball ideas, like playing 4 vs. 5 to get easy baskets on the other end. Again, someone without any experience in the sport thinks they can revolutionize the game with their crackpot ideas. At least Randive is a self-made man and is experimenting with his own team that he bought with money he earned.

[Jikkle]

Can you imagine Harbaugh putting up with Paraag trying to sit in on meetings with coaches and players?

And it has been reported that he was trying to evaluate players when Erickson as coach. He also tried to give game management tips to some of the coaches.

Fact is, under the Yorks, the 49ers have had mostly losing seasons, except under Harbaugh and Mariucci. And that pattern has held since the Yorks adopted Paraag. His contributions haven't done ****, except when they wanted to get rid of Harbaugh, he was probably the leaker.

Whoever the next HC and GM is will probably have to humor Paraag given his title and the absolute faith the Yorks have in him.

So why should 49ers fans have a positive view of him, when the team has been bad since he joined the organization except for the Harbaugh years and he had a big role is ousting Harbaugh? Why shouldn't there be criticism of him trying to be involved in football matters?

VIvek Randive is a laughingstock to NBA fans for some of his basketball ideas, like playing 4 vs. 5 to get easy baskets on the other end. Again, someone without any experience in the sport thinks they can revolutionize the game with their crackpot ideas. At least Randive is a self-made man and is experimenting with his own team that he bought with money he earned.

It's not that you should have a positive view of Paraag because there are some valid reasons to have a concern about his presence but he's somehow grown to some big bogeyman when he probably doesn't have as much influence over things as people think he does.

The problems with the team all have stemmed from the Yorks and their bad decisions and their main bad decision was choosing Baalke over Harbaugh and sticking with Baalke as long as they did and allowing his bad personnel decisions deplete the roster and allowing his presence to scare off anyone decent from wanting to come here as coaches.

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

Tom Cable - C - Seahawks

Tom Pelissero of USA Today reports Seahawks assistant head coach/OL coach Tom Cable will interview with the 49ers next week.

Cable's first run as a head coach did not go well in Oakland, but he has rehabbed his image coaching the offensive line in Seattle. That line has not been great in recent seasons, but Cable does not have much talent to work with. The 49ers will also interview Seahawks co-directors of player personnel Trent Kirchner and Scott Fitterer for their general manager vacancy.
Source: Tom Pelissero on Twitter

Jan 5 - 10:22 AM

[RedneckNiner]

Please for the of all that is holy do not Hire CABLE...Just stay away run. That would be a third straight one and done.

[Ray_Dogg]

I want absolutely nothing to do with any of the Seattle trio.

Just look at their oline. It's one of the worst in the league. They continue to draft project olinemen that Cable hasn't coached up. The two front office guys had to play a role in the drafting of those players as well. This has been broken for them going on multiple seasons now.

Not the solution to the rebuild of our team. I want these guys far away from ruining a young QB.

[CalamityX12]

And they traded their one and only actual decent OL(Unger) for a TE who hasn't really clicked for them....

[Ray_Dogg]

They also let Okung walk in free agency and chose to sign one of the worst tackles in football Sowell from the Cards. It's just an absolute **** show how they have managed the oline.

[Pattersonca65]

I want absolutely nothing to do with any of the Seattle trio.

Just look at their oline. It's one of the worst in the league. They continue to draft project olinemen that Cable hasn't coached up. The two front office guys had to play a role in the drafting of those players as well. This has been broken for them going on multiple seasons now.

Not the solution to the rebuild of our team. I want these guys far away from ruining a young QB.

Seattle had an incredible run from around 2010- 2012 in the draft where they drafted all of those great players in later rounds and signed some key FA, but it seems they haven't drafted all that well in the past couple of seasons. Quite a few busts especially on the offensive side of the ball and I think we are just beginning to see the effects from these drafts. IDK whether it is the FO or Pete Carroll that came up with this strategy but the Hawks spend close to nothing on their offensive line. They have decided to spend the money elsewhere and go Kmart on the oline

[Pattersonca65]

Can you imagine Harbaugh putting up with Paraag trying to sit in on meetings with coaches and players?

And it has been reported that he was trying to evaluate players when Erickson as coach. He also tried to give game management tips to some of the coaches.

Fact is, under the Yorks, the 49ers have had mostly losing seasons, except under Harbaugh and Mariucci. And that pattern has held since the Yorks adopted Paraag. His contributions haven't done ****, except when they wanted to get rid of Harbaugh, he was probably the leaker.

Whoever the next HC and GM is will probably have to humor Paraag given his title and the absolute faith the Yorks have in him.

So why should 49ers fans have a positive view of him, when the team has been bad since he joined the organization except for the Harbaugh years and he had a big role is ousting Harbaugh? Why shouldn't there be criticism of him trying to be involved in football matters?

VIvek Randive is a laughingstock to NBA fans for some of his basketball ideas, like playing 4 vs. 5 to get easy baskets on the other end. Again, someone without any experience in the sport thinks they can revolutionize the game with their crackpot ideas. At least Randive is a self-made man and is experimenting with his own team that he bought with money he earned.

It's not that you should have a positive view of Paraag because there are some valid reasons to have a concern about his presence but he's somehow grown to some big bogeyman when he probably doesn't have as much influence over things as people think he does.

The problems with the team all have stemmed from the Yorks and their bad decisions and their main bad decision was choosing Baalke over Harbaugh and sticking with Baalke as long as they did and allowing his bad personnel decisions deplete the roster and allowing his presence to scare off anyone decent from wanting to come here as coaches.

I think he has more influence than some people realize as this one story points out. He is involved in the HC recruitment and he has a hand in the way players are evaluated for the draft.

http://www.bayareasportsguy.com/49ers-demise-not-just-the-fault-of-jed-trent-jimmy-tom-and-kap/

Ultimately, it isn't Marathe's fault but the York's fault for giving Marathe the level of authority he has in the organization. The Yorks have no one in the top circle who has a football background. The GM is it. So lets hope they get the right GM. Maybe one reason Baalke lasted as long as he did was because there was no one at the top of the chart to figure out what to do with the GM and coaches.

[Pattersonca65]

Tom Cable - C - Seahawks

Tom Pelissero of USA Today reports Seahawks assistant head coach/OL coach Tom Cable will interview with the 49ers next week.

Cable's first run as a head coach did not go well in Oakland, but he has rehabbed his image coaching the offensive line in Seattle. That line has not been great in recent seasons, but Cable does not have much talent to work with. The 49ers will also interview Seahawks co-directors of player personnel Trent Kirchner and Scott Fitterer for their general manager vacancy.
Source: Tom Pelissero on Twitter

Jan 5 - 10:22 AM

I think Cable is a good position coach and the poor oline play in Seattle is not his fault. Seattle has the worst oline talent in the league because they have decided not to spend any money on the oline and it has been a turnstile of players. That being said, Tomsula was a really good position coach too. I know Cable is better than Tomsula but lets not promote another position coach to HC. The odds of success are not good. Al Davis promoted him because no decent HC candidates would go to the Raiders.